Tulsans simply don't get it

[Patrick]

I found this on the Tulsa forum. As long as Tulsans continue to think this way, we're going to continue to fall behind as a state. Until we all work together will we finally further the state along. By the way, it was because of us, the citizens of Oklahoma City, that we became the city we have become today....it was because of MAPS.


"It's okay. When OKC claims how great it is, we can point and laugh because we've been able to support ourselves quite well on our own.

Oh, by the way, I hate OKC.

---Robert"

[Curt]

Send Robert up here to Detroit....he wont last one minute before they chew him up and spit him out.

[okcpulse]

I've retired from trying to help make amends. It really doesn't concern me whether Robert hates OKC or not. What happened with GM was out of our control, and a national issue. Shoot, I expected this to happen the moment Keating announced the retooling to make SUVs. That was five years ago. Didn't get my hopes down about OKC.

BTW, have fun in Detroit, Robert!

[Karried]

Patrick, I think we should just ignore the rivalry... and ignore Robert.

We know we have a GREAT city!!

Go Hornets!!

[roboticbrad]

well im a tulsan and i love okc. As much as i love tulsa their isnt much to do here. on the other hand their is so much to do in okc.

[BDP]

Lots of people hate cities for lots of reasons. It's unfortunate that he has to dwell on hating OKC, but I'm not really sure that we're out to impress Tulsans. I know I'm not too concerned about it. OKC is nationally recognized for its progress as a city. I think Tulsa's contempt for OKC will only hold hem back, because it will prevent them from doing things we've done, even if it makes sense for their city. There's nothing that drags Oklahoma down more than Oklahomans hating other Oklahomans. It's just not big enough to sustain such a petty and insignificant rivalry and still compete nationally. i certinaly hope that our goals equate to more than simply staying one step ahead of Tulsa.

[roboticbrad]

Lots of people hate cities for lots of reasons. It's unfortunate that he has to dwell on hating OKC, but I'm not really sure that we're out to impress Tulsans. I know I'm not too concerned about it. OKC is nationally recognized for its progress as a city. I think Tulsa's contempt for OKC will only hold hem back, because it will prevent them from doing things we've done, even if it makes sense for their city. There's nothing that drags Oklahoma down more than Oklahomans hating other Oklahomans. It's just not big enough to sustain such a petty and insignificant rivalry and still compete nationally. i certinaly hope that our goals equate to more than simply staying one step ahead of Tulsa.

not all tulsans are like that. But I still dont understand how anybody from tulsa or okc can hate each other. They act like its a rivalry when it really shouldnt be.

[okcpulse]

Very true. Not all Tulsans are like that. I've met really nice people in Tulsa, most are my inlaws. But there are some in Tulsa that enjoy hating us. That is something that will probably never change. I, on the other hand, have met few people here in OKC that hate Tulsa. I know a lot of people here that think there isn't as much to do in Tulsa (I'm one of them, and I go there more than a dozen times a year), but we don't go out of our way to hate Tulsa.

I used to know a couple that lived here from Tulsa who had something very negative to say almost every day about our city. It got old, eventually.

[roboticbrad]

Very true. Not all Tulsans are like that. I've met really nice people in Tulsa, most are my inlaws. But there are some in Tulsa that enjoy hating us. That is something that will probably never change. I, on the other hand, have met few people here in OKC that hate Tulsa. I know a lot of people here that think there isn't as much to do in Tulsa (I'm one of them, and I go there more than a dozen times a year), but we don't go out of our way to hate Tulsa.

I used to know a couple that lived here from Tulsa who had something very negative to say almost every day about our city. It got old, eventually.

As a Tulsan I like to read more news about OKC than I do Tulsa. Its just more interesting with everything that is going on downtown OKC.

[BDP]

not all tulsans are like that.

Very true. Sorry if I made it sound like I was saying that. My mistake for speaking generally. I think there are many Tulsans that see the benefits of having two vibrant cities in the state and derive enjoyment from both. As with many things, though, those with negative feelings are often heard more often and sometimes get a disproportionate amount of influence.

[In_Tulsa]

roboticbrad List five things that you can do in OKC that you can't do in Tulsa??????? I think you are HIGH roboticbrad

[roboticbrad]

roboticbrad List five things that you can do in OKC that you can't do in Tulsa??????? I think you are HIGH roboticbrad

1) Go to NBA games
2) Ride on the canal and bricktown
3) See big name artists concerts
4) Frontier city (Bell's is a joke)
5) National cowboy hall of fame

I will keep going

6) Omniplex
7) Big 12 championship basketball games
8) Big 12 championship baseball games
9) the okc zoo is much better than tulsa's
10) and the fact that you can downtown and have fun unlike tulsa.

[Karried]

Very nice list! I'll bet there are quite a few more things to do but I don't have a lot of time to post... I'm off to Bricktown to see the Hornets tonight and have dinner and drinks first maybe at Toby Keiths ...

I think I'll check out the progress on the Land Run Monument - and then drive by the new History Museum.. nah, I'm out of time.. too much to do, too little time..



BTW - Friday, wheeee - Snow tubing park is opening as well as the Christmas tree lighting ceremony - the Ice Skating rink serving hot chocolate will be open Friday too.. the lights will be spectacular this year - some big companies donating lots more lights..

[In_Tulsa]

Ju

[In_Tulsa]

roboticbrad you need to move to OKC you seem like it so much. And stay off drugs.

[roboticbrad]

roboticbrad you need to move to OKC you seem like it so much. And stay off drugs.

Dont get me wrong i love tulsa, but i am actually planning on moving to OKC. Plus i dont do drugs

[BDP]

Let's not fight... you can do drugs in both cities.

[jbrown84]

roboticbrad you need to move to OKC you seem like it so much. And stay off drugs.

Wow. Nice comeback.

[Karried]

Children, children - where's our Thanksgiving spirit???

Happy Turkey Day everyone!

[In_Tulsa]

HAPPY THANKSGIVING to everyone in OKC from In_Tulsa

[Patrick]

HAPPY THANKSGIVING to everyone in Tulsa from Patrick

By the way, my main goal in starting the thread wasn't to start a Tulsa vs. OKC debate. I personally like Tulsa. The issue I have with Tulsa is some of the people that live there that have the mentality of the guy I quoted above.

BTW, I'll admit, there are some people in OKC that treat Dallas the same way as some Tulsans treat OKC. That isn't right either.

[thecains]

Tulsa is the states most beautiful city and that is a fact......In 5-10 years Tulsa will be reviatlized. They are trying to get a MLS team in town, a Toby Keiths restaurant is rumored to be on the way, the new arena, the big Indian statue, and the river is begining to boom in Jenks....

One thing i think why Tulsans are angry is that OKC gets som much sympathy from loosing 2,500 jobs and Tulsa hardly got any when it lost 25,000.....

another thing, OKC gets much more help from the State than Tulsa does...i.e-better roads, more major highways, money to redo downtown, train service or any attention from any state office.....sad but true.

[Karried]

I hope you are right and our state becomes what it should be - a vibrant, growing community that boasts two beautiful large cities in which tourists will come and visit, spend money and furthering our economic growth.

Competing with each other does no good - we need to make an effort to work together - not compare who has what and who is better...

~Tulsa~ Happy Thanksgiving! from OKC

[swake]

The anger in Tulsa right now was from seeing a state task force for GM employees.

Tulsa had at least five companies that lost more jobs than the 2200 GM is losing, no task force, no state notice at all. Tulsa lost a total of 25,000 jobs and most of what came from OKC was gloating about "look how good we are doing compared to you", no sympathy from many in the city, no assistance from the state.

It's kind of like the thread on this board where you are offended that people would say anything bad and then you start trashing NO for the support they gave the team.

[jbrown84]

Why are you getting mad at Oklahoma Citians for the way the STATE government works? You guys elected them too. Oklahoma City has more interstates because it's a bigger city in both population and geography. We were lucky to get Amtrak back at all. It makes a lot more sense to create a new route connecting OKC to DFW than it does to connect Tulsa to Newton, KS. And as far as I've ever heard, the state's Main Street program has offered downtown revitilization funding to just about every town in the state.

I didn't realize the unfairness on the GM task force thing, but I can tell you that you guys had my sympathy when you lost so many jobs with Williams, Citgo, and Worldcom. That hurt the whole state, not just Tulsa. I'm glad to see you guys rebounding.