Proper punishment for looters/vandals?

[bucktalk]

What should be the proper punishment for those who are caught looting/vandalizing? I'm not talking about protestors.

[TheTravellers]

What should be the proper punishment for those who are caught looting/vandalizing? I'm not talking about protestors.

Um, whatever the relevant statute/law/code says it should be?

[mugofbeer]

To clean, repair, pay for the damage they caused. No sense in filling prison's with them.

[bucktalk]

Makes sense. But how likely is it to apprehend large crowds with limited police force? Probably one reason looters/vandals do what they do -rarely caught or brought to justice.

Um, whatever the relevant statute/law/code says it should be?

[Mike_M]

Makes sense. But how likely is it to apprehend large crowds with limited police force? Probably one reason looters/vandals do what they do -rarely caught or brought to justice.

But isn't your question about punishment? If looters are caught, they will face charges and punishment. It just sounds like you, like many people online are busy concocting torture porn for looters, and missing the point.

Law enforcement is regularly caught on camera (or with overwhelming evidence) committing crimes of brutality and/or corruption against african americans and rarely if ever face any level of consequences. That's what this is about.

Looters and vandals are just bad people framing good people for their egregious behavior.

[The Shadow]

^Not necessarily, here's a little history on that from wiki...

"On May 3, 1992, in view of the very large number of persons arrested during the riots, the California Supreme Court extended the deadline to charge defendants from 48 hours to 96 hours. That day, 6,345 people were arrested.[25] Nearly one third of the rioters arrested were released because police officers were unable to identify individuals in the sheer volume of the crowd. In one case, officers arrested around 40 people stealing from one store; while they were identifying them, a group of another 12 looters were brought in. With the groups mingled, charges could not be brought against individuals for stealing from specific stores, and the police had to release them all.[168]

In the weeks after the rioting, more than 11,000 people were arrested.[169] Many of the looters in black communities were turned in by their neighbors, who were angry about the destruction of businesses who employed locals and providing basic needs such as groceries. Many of the looters, fearful of prosecution by law enforcement and condemnation from their neighbors, ended up placing looted items curbside in other neighborhoods to get rid of them.

[bucktalk]

And if the police decide to walk off the job.....
Or if in the near future it become difficult to even recruit people for police departments......

[Mike_M]

And if the police decide to walk off the job.....
Or if in the near future it become difficult to even recruit people for police departments......

The police have been dealing with protests, riots, and violence for hundreds of years and there has never been a shortage. If requiring law enforcement to maintain an equal standard of civil rights for all people is the straw that breaks the camel's back, then it means that we're probably onto something.

[gopokes88]

24 months hard labor.

[dankrutka]

The police have been dealing with protests, riots, and violence for hundreds of years and there has never been a shortage. If requiring law enforcement to maintain an equal standard of civil rights for all people is the straw that breaks the camel's back, then it means that we're probably onto something.

And let's not forget that—even though police are trained in de-escalation—we are seeing case after case of police initiating violence against non-violent protestors. I'm not talking about legitimate cases of violence. I'm talking about cases of officers kicking a woman who is sitting passively, shooting rubber bullets and tear gas at credentialed media members (D.C.), ripping college students out of their cars and tazing them (Atlanta fired the officers), and arresting people who are telling them that they have love of them and want peace (Charleston). Departments are having to fire police who are caught on video doing this... at protests against police brutality. If this is how some officers act with a national spotlight on them and tons of cameras, what have they been doing when noone is watching? There are clearly systemic problems with police and their unions in this country that allows racist and aggressive officers to maintain their jobs and do harm. Police unions have gained so much power that abusive officers aren't punished or fired and thus don't fear repercussions. The problems is that you can't just blame it on a few "bad apples" when the system supports them. The problem is systemic. People want real accountability.

Anyway, to entire purpose of this thread, there are laws against looting. You just enforce existing laws.

[Mr. Blue Sky]

I’m opposed to all looting. I am still amazed that not a single executive responsible for the 2008 recession ever went to jail.

[jccouger]

Maybe they should get the same punishment white police officers get when they murder unarmed black men?

[Canoe]

Makes sense. But how likely is it to apprehend large crowds with limited police force? Probably one reason looters/vandals do what they do -rarely caught or brought to justice.

Are you advocating for a ....

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garde_Civique

[Bunty]

Simply nip the problem of looting and vandalism before it's in the bud by armed townspeople monitoring their town like, Coeur 'd Alene, ID. They were alarmed violent groups that had troubled nearby Spokane would spread to their town. It didn't. They didn't mind protestors holding signs. I kinda doubt that the pro gun culture is as advanced in most Oklahoma towns as it is there:

https://www.facebook.com/ray.robles....04503616439464

[Bunty]

Simply nip the problem of looting and vandalism before it's in the bud by armed townspeople monitoring their town like, Coeur 'd Alene, ID. They were alarmed violent groups that had troubled nearby Spokane would spread to their town. It didn't. They didn't mind protestors holding signs. I kinda doubt that the pro gun culture is as advanced in most Oklahoma towns as it is there:

https://www.facebook.com/ray.robles....04503616439464

The video above no longer available. Here is a TV news story about it: https://www.khq.com/news/blm-protest...710042a77.html

[chuck5815]

I’m opposed to all looting. I am still amazed that not a single executive responsible for the 2008 recession ever went to jail.

Under this theory, we’d also have to put Bill Clinton and George Bush in jail.

And, of course, we shouldn’t forget about all the folks who took out three or four mortgages on nominal Incomes. They were responsible too.

[Bill Robertson]

And, of course, we shouldn’t forget about all the folks who took out three or four mortgages on nominal Incomes. They were responsible too.

I admit that a younger, much more stupid me had a mortgage that was pretty much the max we could qualify for, a car payment, a boat payment and a couple very high limit credit cards with substantial balances. Then my ex decided she wanted to run and play with her friends and bailed one night. Got to spend weeks in divorce and bankruptcy court. Good thing they’re right down the street from each other. Who was to blame for our living beyond our means? Way beyond! Me. And no one else but me. Not the lenders. Not the govt. ME!!!!
BTW. Learned my lesson. Current wife and I live very much within our means now and are VERY HAPPY!