Fassler Hall / Dust Bowl

[Pete]

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TULSA – McNellie’s Group will expand two more brands into Oklahoma City next year, advancing the Tulsa-based restaurant and bar operator down a three-year plan to double its revenue.

Next year Nelson’s crew intends to expand its German restaurant and bar Fassler Hall into Oklahoma City, paired with another McNellie’s brand, the Dust Bowl Lanes and Lounge restaurant, eight-lane bowling alley and bar.

This project will involve McNellie’s first build-to-suit effort, although the Tulsa firm will actually lease the projected 17,000-square-foot facility and its 8,000-square-foot beer garden from developer Midtown Renaissance.

Lingo Construction of Oklahoma City should start work on the 421 NW 10th St. project this fall, using designs by Fitzsimmons Architects of Oklahoma City. Nelson said the final construction cost remains undetermined.

By using a shared kitchen, just as the original Dust Bowl does with the McNellie’s brand Dilly Deli in downtown Tulsa, Nelson expects to lower the Oklahoma City expansion’s infrastructure and operating costs.

“We like the idea of a shared kitchen,” he said. “We’ll see how these facilities work out together.”

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[metro]

From the article:


Next year Nelson’s crew intends to expand its German restaurant and bar Fassler Hall into Oklahoma City, paired with another McNellie’s brand, the Dust Bowl Lanes and Lounge restaurant, eight-lane bowling alley and bar.
This project will involve McNellie’s first build-to-suit effort, although the Tulsa firm will actually lease the projected 17,000-square-foot facility and its 8,000-square-foot beer garden from developer Midtown Renaissance.
Lingo Construction of Oklahoma City should start work on the 421 NW 10th St. project this fall, using designs by Fitzsimmons Architects of Oklahoma City. Nelson said the final construction cost remains undetermined.

[onthestrip]

Sounds awesome. One thing I would like to see though is the Fassler Hall concept try to utilize some outdoor space and make it a somewhat true beer garden. Either way though, good news.

[BoulderSooner]

so this thread had both the scoop and the location (pretty much)

[BoulderSooner]

I heard a rumor that Elliot Nelson (owner of McNellies) is going to be bringing more of his concepts to Midtown! Specifically, an employee of his told me he is considering a Fassler Hall (one of my favorite places in Tulsa) behind Brown's Bakery by this time next year!

If you have never been to Fassler Hall in Tulsa, it is one giant open room with a bar along one side, a big garage door at one end, a small stage at the other and long beirgarden style tables throughout. They serve all sorts of German and German style beers, delicious sausages, pretzels and fries fried in duck fat. Also they have alot of live music. Also I am extremely excited.

good job CurtisJ

[CurtisJ]

good job CurtisJ

Thank you!

[Teo9969]

Still confused on location for FH and DB. Is it on the NW or NE block of 10th/Hudson? Does MR even own those lots between Brown's and the old auto shop?

It sounds like McNellie's has been ready to go for awhile but are just waiting on MR.

[Pete]

Still confused on location for FH and DB. Is it on the NW or NE block of 10th/Hudson? Does MR even own those lots between Brown's and the old auto shop?

It sounds like McNellie's has been ready to go for awhile but are just waiting on MR.

NW Corner, just west of the building on that corner.

And yes Midtown Renaissance owns the land much more all around there.


Very excited about this, as it still leaves the NE corner of that intersection for a large residential develop. There will be a Level-like apartment complex there by the MidtownR people.

And the fact they are building from the ground up for both these projects should be interesting.

[soonerguru]

NE Corner, just west of the building on that corner.

And yes Midtown Renaissance owns the land much more all around there.


Very excited about this, as it still leaves the NW corner of that intersection for a large residential develop. There will be a Level-like apartment complex there by the MidtownR people.

And the fact they are building from the group up for both these projects should be interesting.

Yes it is. I happen to be a big fan of Brian Fitzimmons' work. It is excellent. It's exciting to think what he could do with a ground-up build for residential and entertainment.

[wsucougz]

Yeah I have a feeling the bar is going to be set a little higher after this 10th street infill.

[Spartan]

Am I the only one having difficulty imagining these Elliot Nelson concepts in brand-new buildings designed by Brian Fitzsimmons?

That said, Nelson appears to be whipping out the Blue Dome strategy for Midtown. This is going to be interesting as he confines all of his successful concepts in the Midtown area, compounded with new housing, at about the time that the streetcar is going in.

Midtown-to-Bricktown is going to be a huge hit, I think, as we see Midtown explode with housing and bars. So much wide-open potential up there.

Pete, about when can we expect MidtownR to come out with the development plans for the old Red Cross site?

[soonerguru]

Am I the only one having difficulty imagining these Elliot Nelson concepts in brand-new buildings designed by Brian Fitzsimmons?

That said, Nelson appears to be whipping out the Blue Dome strategy for Midtown. This is going to be interesting as he confines all of his successful concepts in the Midtown area, compounded with new housing, at about the time that the streetcar is going in.

Midtown-to-Bricktown is going to be a huge hit, I think, as we see Midtown explode with housing and bars. So much wide-open potential up there.

I agree it is hard to imagine, but I find that exciting. Fitzimmons is a great architect, IMO, and I'm looking forward to see what he comes up with.

[CurtisJ]

Am I the only one having difficulty imagining these Elliot Nelson concepts in brand-new buildings designed by Brian Fitzsimmons?

Dust Bowl + Elliot Nelson sounds awesome.

I am having trouble imagining Fassler hall in new construction.

But it sounds like they are going to be combined, has that been confirmed?

[bchris02]

Am I the only one having difficulty imagining these Elliot Nelson concepts in brand-new buildings designed by Brian Fitzsimmons?

That said, Nelson appears to be whipping out the Blue Dome strategy for Midtown. This is going to be interesting as he confines all of his successful concepts in the Midtown area, compounded with new housing, at about the time that the streetcar is going in.

Midtown-to-Bricktown is going to be a huge hit, I think, as we see Midtown explode with housing and bars. So much wide-open potential up there.

Pete, about when can we expect MidtownR to come out with the development plans for the old Red Cross site?

I hope you are right. Everytime I go to Midtown I see nothing but untapped potential. It would be great of Midtown could become OKC's Blue Dome. If memory serves me correctly, Blue Dome came into its own relatively quickly.

[soonerguru]

I hope you are right. Everytime I go to Midtown I see nothing but untapped potential. It would be great of Midtown could become OKC's Blue Dome. If memory serves me correctly, Blue Dome came into its own relatively quickly.

Midtown has possibly already eclipsed Blue Dome in every area but one, nightlife, and that is not far behind. There is no housing in Blue Dome. There is exactly one retail shop. Midtown already offers more, it just has more room for infill.

[bchris02]

Midtown has possibly already eclipsed Blue Dome in every area but one, nightlife, and that is not far behind. There is no housing in Blue Dome. There is exactly one retail shop. Midtown already offers more, it just has more room for infill.

When I think of Blue Dome, I think of the nightlife. That's probably because I knew a few people who drive up to Tulsa to bar hop there and have done it once myself. Midtown still has a ways to go. What is currently there other than McNellie's? Part of me though thinks that Uptown is going to become OKC's district with that type of 'hip' nightlife rather than Midtown. Plus Uptown is already nearly connected to the Paseo. The new 80s retro bar and the Pump Bar, providing NIMBYs don't kill it, look very promising.

[Teo9969]

NE Corner, just west of the building on that corner.

And yes Midtown Renaissance owns the land much more all around there.


Very excited about this, as it still leaves the NW corner of that intersection for a large residential develop. There will be a Level-like apartment complex there by the MidtownR people.

And the fact they are building from the group up for both these projects should be interesting.

I'm assuming that you used NE and NW backward in this post?

I guess my other question then is what other components will be combined with the Fassler/DB projects? For some reason, the idea of Midtown Renaissance building one/two story developments for two "stand alone" bars seems to be quite out of character for them.

[Teo9969]

When I think of Blue Dome, I think of the nightlife. That's probably because I knew a few people who drive up to Tulsa to bar hop there and have done it once myself. Midtown still has a ways to go. What is currently there other than McNellie's? Part of me though thinks that Uptown is going to become OKC's district with that type of 'hip' nightlife rather than Midtown. Plus Uptown is already nearly connected to the Paseo. The new 80s retro bar and the Pump Bar, providing NIMBYs don't kill it, look very promising.

Louie's, Cafe Do Brasil or Bosa Nova, and the bar that will be at the top of the Osler. Also, Packard's and Ludivine. Throw in these next 2 projects, maybe something going into The Edge or whatever large development MR puts together.

Midtown will be a complete urban district by the time it's all said and done, and there will be at least one area that is bar focused which is likely to be in the Walker to 10th corridor.

[PhiAlpha]

Another bar/restaurant may open down by Ludevine within the next year as well. I know a few people looking to purchase space down there.

[bchris02]

Louie's, Cafe Do Brasil or Bosa Nova, and the bar that will be at the top of the Osler. Also, Packard's and Ludivine. Throw in these next 2 projects, maybe something going into The Edge or whatever large development MR puts together.

Midtown will be a complete urban district by the time it's all said and done, and there will be at least one area that is bar focused which is likely to be in the Walker to 10th corridor.

Those are restaurants that close at 9PM or 10PM, not the kind of bars OKC desperately needs. McNellie's is the only thing currently in the district that fits the bill. Hopefully in the next five years it really takes off, but today there is no comparison to Blue Dome.

OKC lives up to its reputation when its most 'hip' nightlife spots close at 9PM on weekends. Packard's and the new Wine Bar are great concepts, but they should be open later.

[Teo9969]

Those are restaurants that close at 9PM or 10PM, not the kind of bars OKC desperately needs. McNellie's is the only thing currently in the district that fits the bill. Hopefully in the next five years it really takes off, but today there is no comparison to Blue Dome.

OKC lives up to its reputation when its most 'hip' nightlife spots close at 9PM on weekends. Packard's and the new Wine Bar are great concepts, but they should be open later.

Louie's does not close at 10PM and Bossa Nova certainly does not close at 10PM. I haven't been to Packard's yet, but as demand increases, I don't anticipate them closing down before Midnight.

Also, next time you're at one of OKC's "hip" places on MTWR after Midnight, take a gander at how many people are around...that is at least partly what determines the hours of these places. It is not going to get better until there is a significant presence of walkable residential near these areas because people are don't tend a bar on Tuesday @ 1AM when they have a 20 minute drive home and need to work the next day. When Edge opens up and once MR kicks off their big project, the potential big project on Francis, and the Metropolitan, I assure you some of the issues you raise will be rectified. In the mean time, these businesses need to run a responsible model...staying open 2 - 4 extra hours for $250 in sales is not responsible.

[bchris02]

Louie's does not close at 10PM and Bossa Nova certainly does not close at 10PM. I haven't been to Packard's yet, but as demand increases, I don't anticipate them closing down before Midnight.

Also, next time you're at one of OKC's "hip" places on MTWR after Midnight, take a gander at how many people are around...that is at least partly what determines the hours of these places. It is not going to get better until there is a significant presence of walkable residential near these areas because people are don't tend a bar on Tuesday @ 1AM when they have a 20 minute drive home and need to work the next day. When Edge opens up and once MR kicks off their big project, the potential big project on Francis, and the Metropolitan, I assure you some of the issues you raise will be rectified. In the mean time, these businesses need to run a responsible model...staying open 2 - 4 extra hours for $250 in sales is not responsible.

I completely agree with what you are saying. In other places Ive lived Ive always wondered how bars stayed open until 2AM on weeknights and how people did it when they had work the next day. However, I am not talking about being open until 2AM on a Tuesday. It should be a given however on a Friday or Saturday. I am sure having the extra population within the next few years will make a world of difference in what these districts are able to support being that Midtown as it stands is less of a destination district like Bricktown is. People come from places like Woodward to go to Bricktown but many people in OKC are probably not aware of places like Midtown and the 16th St Plaza.

[OklahomaNick]

I have been to Fassler Hall in Tulsa and it's a really cool place.
This is a GREAT project for Midtown. This group does things RIGHT, and this will be wildly successful.

[HangryHippo]

I'm surprised to read they expect construction to begin this fall. Has anyone seen renderings of what Fitzsimmons has planned?

I really hope it has a more attractive exterior than the garage he designed.

[OKCnBA]

I agree, these two places are very cool in Tulsa. (After 46 years living in OKC, I have now lived in Tulsa for 8 years.) Fassler looks like a German bar from the old Hogan's Heros show - dark, rustic, kind of rough around the edges, tables and benches instead of chairs, etc. I keep looking around for Klink and Schultz. Dust Bowl has old bowling equipment from the 1950s. Like others, I cannot picture these establishments in new buildings. But hoping for the best!