These Post Offices in Oklahoma may close due to budget cuts

[SoonerQueen]

Expanded Access study list
Oklahoma
Office City Zip Code
LEONARD LEONARD 74043
WEST TULSA TULSA 74107
ALBION ALBION 74521
ATWOOD ATWOOD 74827
BATTIEST BATTIEST 74722
BETHEL BETHEL 74724
BROMIDE BROMIDE 74530
BUNCH BUNCH 74931
CASTLE CASTLE 74833
CLARITA CLARITA 74535
DAISY DAISY 74540
EUCHA EUCHA 74342
FANSHAWE FANSHAWE 74935
FINLEY FINLEY 74543
GOLDEN GOLDEN 74737
GOWEN GOWEN 74545
HITCHITA HITCHITA 74438
KENEFIC KENEFIC 74748
LEFLORE LEFLORE 74942
LEQUIRE LEQUIRE 74943
MARBLE CITY MARBLE CITY 74945
MOFFETT MOFFETT 74946
MONROE MONROE 74947
MUSE MUSE 74949
PANOLA PANOLA 74559
PLATTER PLATTER 74753
PROCTOR PROCTOR 74457
RINGOLD RINGOLD 74754
RUFE RUFE 74755
SNOW SNOW 74567
STRANG STRANG 74367
SWINK SWINK 74761
WAINWRIGHT WAINWRIGHT 74468
WATSON WATSON 74963
WHITESBORO WHITESBORO 74577
ADAMS ADAMS 73901
ALBERT ALBERT 73001
AMORITA AMORITA 73719
AVANT AVANT 74001
BESSIE BESSIE 73622
BISON BISON 73720
BURBANK BURBANK 74633
CAMARGO CAMARGO 73835
CARRIER CARRIER 73727
COLONY COLONY 73021
CONCHO CONCHO 73022
DACOMA DACOMA 73731
DURHAM DURHAM 73642
ELMER ELMER 73539
FAIRMONT FAIRMONT 73736
FAY FAY 73646
FELT FELT 73937
GATE GATE 73844
GOLTRY GOLTRY 73739
GOTEBO GOTEBO 73041
GRAHAM GRAHAM 73437
GREENFIELD GREENFIELD 73043
HALLETT HALLETT 74034
HARDESTY HARDESTY 73944
HILLSDALE HILLSDALE 73743
HUNTER HUNTER 74640
ISABELLA ISABELLA 73747
KENTON KENTON 73946
LOYAL LOYAL 73756
MANCHESTER MANCHESTER 73758
MARAMEC MARAMEC 74045
MARTHA MARTHA 73556
MAY MAY 73851
MERIDIAN MERIDIAN 73058
MILFAY MILFAY 74046
MUTUAL MUTUAL 73853
OAKWOOD OAKWOOD 73658
ORLANDO ORLANDO 73073
ROCKY ROCKY 73661
SHARON SHARON 73857
SPARKS SPARKS 74869
SWEETWATER SWEETWATER 73666
VINSON VINSON 73571
ADDINGTON ADDINGTON 73520
BRADLEY BRADLEY 73011
COUNTYLINE COUNTYLINE 73425
DEVOL DEVOL 73531
DOUGHERTY DOUGHERTY 73032
FAXON FAXON 73540
FITZHUGH FITZHUGH 74843
FOSTER FOSTER 73434
FOX FOX 73435
FRANCIS FRANCIS 74844
GENE AUTRY GENE AUTRY 73436
HASTINGS HASTINGS 73548
HENNEPIN HENNEPIN 73444
LEON LEON 73441
LOCO LOCO 73442
MANITOU MANITOU 73555
POCASSET POCASSET 73079
TATUMS TATUMS 73487
BOWLEGS BOWLEGS 74830
CROMWELL CROMWELL 74837
MARTIN LUTHER KING JR OKLAHOMA CITY 73111
SAINT LOUIS SAINT LOUIS 74866

If any of these Post Offices close it could be by December. If they do close, the office will be given 60 days notice. Kinda bad if you live in a small town and that's your only place to do your mailing.

[bombermwc]

I notice they didn't include any OKC ones this time. With the last round, I thought they mentioned the one near 89th and Penn...which I always thought was a weird one to close, especially since it's so new. I think 23rd and Classen was on the last round too. So why did they decide to go the rural route for closures this time?

[kevinpate]

I notice they didn't include any OKC ones this time. With the last round, I thought they mentioned the one near 89th and Penn...which I always thought was a weird one to close, especially since it's so new. I think 23rd and Classen was on the last round too. So why did they decide to go the rural route for closures this time?

MLK JR (73111) in OKC is on the list

[PennyQuilts]

Thanks, Soonerqueen. I was wondering if there was a list and this helps.

[Just the facts]

The solution - tier pricing. Charge people in remote or high cost areas more. Let the cost of the stamp reflect the cost of delivering the mail. A person living in the boondocks shouldn't expect to pay the same amount as a person living within 1 mile of 5,000 other people. Mail a letter from downtown to NWExpwy - 40 cents. Mail a letter from Crossroads Corners, OK to NWExpw - $2. The same thing going the other way. Mail a letter from NWExpwy to Crossroads Corners - still $2. Our system is now is like an airline charging the same price no matter where the passenger is going.

[HewenttoJared]

The solution - tier pricing. Charge people in remote or high cost areas more. Let the cost of the stamp reflect the cost of delivering the mail. A person living in the boondocks shouldn't expect to pay the same amount as a person living within 1 mile of 5,000 other people. Mail a letter from downtown to NWExpwy - 40 cents. Mail a letter from Crossroads Corners, OK to NWExpw - $2. The same thing going the other way. Mail a letter from NWExpwy to Crossroads Corners - still $2. Our system is now is like an airline charging the same price no matter where the passenger is going.

Do you really want to go down that road for public services? Water, phones, ROADS....You're talking about moving rural America from behind the rest of the nation to living almost as a separate nation.

[Just the facts]

Do you really want to go down that road for public services? Water, phones, ROADS....You're talking about moving rural America from behind the rest of the nation to living almost as a separate nation.

We do that now anyhow - we just don't charge the users, we charge society as a whole. People choosing an efficient lifestyle are paying for people who choose to live in places that require greater and greater sums of money to support. All services would still be available, the price would just reflect the true cost of providing them. The private sector already does this. Only government chooses to ignore the laws of economics. Try getting 4G cell service in Crossroad Corners, Oklahoma. From the private sector it isn't even available there but if it was a government operation it would be provided and the cost would be passed on to all users, and not the ones generating the extra cost. As for roads, maybe higher property taxes for people in remote areas is in order. 2 miles of pavement in Piedmont cost the same as 2 miles of pavement in the urban core. The difference is the 2 miles of pavement in the urban core will serve 50X as many users, and while it need more repairs, there are still far more people to split the bill with.

Government has strayed too far from economic reality for far too long.

[HewenttoJared]

I don't think you really understand the consequences of what you are suggesting. Mainland Europe could live that way because of it's population density. So could the US coasts. But here the damage would be extreme enough to completely change everyone who live outside the metro. You know how backwards some parts of the state are. Now imagine them with no clean water, no roads beyond simple bulldozed pathways, and no electricity outside of the few who could afford solar. You think they're ignorant now? It would be horrifying.

[Martin]

i think tiered pricing based upon shipping endpoints would be too confusing for both usps and for the consumer. -M

[OKCisOK4me]

Honestly it makes sense. A town I went to high school at in Missouri, population 450, could easily lose a post office. In all reality, they have to shut them down because of the internet. Less and less people are using the mail system. Plus, in this town, no one was against driving 18 miles to the biggest nearest town of 8,000 and there's a post office there.

[OKCTalker]

The station on 24th between Classen & Western closed three months ago.

[PennyQuilts]

Wheatland has a tiny postoffice but they don't deliver so the locals all go there to pick up their mail at individual post office boxes. I am not sure how people who can't drive can get their checks and/or presciptions.

[Pete]

There was an AP article just today that stated the rural population in the U.S. has dropped to 16% and that the trend is accelerating.

It's only going to become more difficult and costly to provide these various services in small towns and rural areas.

[Larry OKC]

While all aren't going to be replaced, it isn't like folks aren't going to have any service at all if the closest "post office" closes. In Wednesday's Oklahoman...

The Postal Service is hoping to set up “Village Post Offices” at convenience stores and other locations to sell stamps, accept packages and, in some instances, provide post office boxes in many of the affected areas.
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The low-activity post offices in rural areas are typically ones that average less than $50 a day in sales, have little foot traffic and require less than two hours of work a day. Most are within five miles of another post office.

Read more: http://newsok.com/postal-service-to-...#ixzz1TMoUON3E

[venture]

I like the idea of the "village post offices". In a way, they are always like allowing UPS Stores or FedEx Kinkos in allowing mail delivery and such. Heck, the USPS should consider selling post offices to the package delivery companies to operate. It would be a step towards eventual privatization, at least somewhat, of the USPS.

[Just the facts]

i think tiered pricing based upon shipping endpoints would be too confusing for both usps and for the consumer. -M

Why would it be confusing? The post office, UPS, and FedEx already do it for packages. If a person mailed a letter from home all they need to do is login to the post office web site, put in their zip code and the zip code of the person it is going to, and it will tell them how much it cost. Likewise, if they went into a post office or convience store they could look it up for them. The post office already gives me 4 different prices based on how soon I want it to arrive anyhow.

[jn1780]

Why would it be confusing? The post office, UPS, and FedEx already do it for packages. If a person mailed a letter from home all they need to do is login to the post office web site, put in their zip code and the zip code of the person it is going to, and it will tell them how much it cost. Likewise, if they went into a post office or convience store they could look it up for them. The post office already gives me 4 different prices based on how soon I want it to arrive anyhow.

Might as well just email the letter or pay your bill online at this point. You mostly just need a place like a convenience store to accept packages. That convenience store can than send some sort of message to a courier to come pick up the packages.

[Larry OKC]

Course the whole world doesn't have email or internet access in their homes....heck, just read an article in thursday's paper about an Amish woman was critically injured when were horse drawn surrey was blown over by a sudden wind. Who knew we had an Amish "community" of about 300 here in Oklahoma? Anyway, the story mentioned they don't have electricity in their homes (much less computers or internet). An extreme example, but one that shows that there are many people who don't have it. it is easy for us to think that since we have it, that everyone has it (I include myself).

[Bunty]

I like the idea of the "village post offices". In a way, they are always like allowing UPS Stores or FedEx Kinkos in allowing mail delivery and such. Heck, the USPS should consider selling post offices to the package delivery companies to operate. It would be a step towards eventual privatization, at least somewhat, of the USPS.

At least some of those little towns don't have as much as one private store open, for instance, I think Maramec only has a volunteer fire station and the post office. The rest of its downtown is like a ghost town.

[BBatesokc]

I'd like to see the post office privatized and all previous employment deals terminated. I think if it was run like a real business that actually needed to make a profit then it might succeed. Start by eliminating most of the current employees - and I say this with a grandfather that was a postman.

[Just the facts]

Course the whole world doesn't have email or internet access in their homes....heck, just read an article in thursday's paper about an Amish woman was critically injured when were horse drawn surrey was blown over by a sudden wind. Who knew we had an Amish "community" of about 300 here in Oklahoma? Anyway, the story mentioned they don't have electricity in their homes (much less computers or internet). An extreme example, but one that shows that there are many people who don't have it. it is easy for us to think that since we have it, that everyone has it (I include myself).

Mail would still be deliver to the Amish. It would just cost more if they were in a low volume rural area.

[Bunty]

I'd like to see the post office privatized and all previous employment deals terminated. I think if it was run like a real business that actually needed to make a profit then it might succeed. Start by eliminating most of the current employees - and I say this with a grandfather that was a postman.

Those two things would be difficult to do. Probably privatizing the post office would require a constitutional amendment. Presumbly, the point of eliminating most of the employees is because they are too well paid and then replace them with much lower paid employees. Probably the unions wouldn't allow that under the labor contract. I think postmen certainly are not paid too much, considering the extremes in the weather they work under, the physical effort of the job and then the dogs. Besides, don't UPS employees get paid even better?

[Snowman]

We do that now anyhow - we just don't charge the users, we charge society as a whole. People choosing an efficient lifestyle are paying for people who choose to live in places that require greater and greater sums of money to support. All services would still be available, the price would just reflect the true cost of providing them. The private sector already does this. Only government chooses to ignore the laws of economics. Try getting 4G cell service in Crossroad Corners, Oklahoma. From the private sector it isn't even available there but if it was a government operation it would be provided and the cost would be passed on to all users, and not the ones generating the extra cost. As for roads, maybe higher property taxes for people in remote areas is in order. 2 miles of pavement in Piedmont cost the same as 2 miles of pavement in the urban core. The difference is the 2 miles of pavement in the urban core will serve 50X as many users, and while it need more repairs, there are still far more people to split the bill with.

Government has strayed too far from economic reality for far too long.

In the case of city streets in different cities cost is hardly a factor because it is the cities paying for it, so the citizens of that location pay the bill. In the case of rural highways and urban interstates costs are nowhere near identical, the cost of 10 miles of rural highway would not pay for either an interstate bridge or the ramps at an interchange.

[BBatesokc]

Those two things would be difficult to do. Probably privatizing the post office would require a constitutional amendment. Presumbly, the point of eliminating most of the employees is because they are too well paid and then replace them with much lower paid employees. Probably the unions wouldn't allow that under the labor contract. I think postmen certainly are not paid too much, considering the extremes in the weather they work under, the physical effort of the job and then the dogs. Besides, don't UPS employees get paid even better?

I have no idea what it would take, but I firmly believe (based on my limited knowledge) it is the best solution. Yes, they need to clean house of overpaid/abundance of employees. I really don't see how anyone justifies a postman making $70K+ (in Oklahoma) for delivering mostly junk mail. Throw in the retirement and other union strong-armed benefits and it has almost completely killed the USPS.

As for the UPS salary comparison - last time I checked, UPS was very profitable (so, that's a HUGE difference).

[usmbubba]

I don't make $70K + a year