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    Officials: Make tattoos safe

    From staff and wire reports
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    House Bill 1519


    The bill would:



    Prohibit tattooing for anyone under the age of 18.


    Require tattoists and tattoo parlors to be licensed by the health department.


    Require semi-annual inspections of tattoo parlors.


    Limit sales of tattoo equip-ment to licensed professionals.


    Allow fines of up to $5,000 for persons convicted of violating the law.




    Proponents say ensuring the safety and health of people getting tattoos is the purpose of proposed legislation to legalize and regulate the tattoo industry in Oklahoma, and state health officials and a local businessman say they hope legislators pass the bill this session.

    Oklahoma, the only state that outlaws tattooing, should legalize the practice to protect people from diseases transmitted through unsanitary underground tattoos, state health commissioner Dr. Mike Crutcher and other officials said at a news conference Friday.

    "We are pleased to support this legislation so we can assure a protected environment for those who seek tattoos in Oklahoma," Crutcher said.

    Loyd Samples owns Hellbilly, a local tattoo and piercing establishment. Samples said he agrees wholeheartedly with regulating the industry. He said it is important to ensure cleanliness and prevent disease transmission.

    Samples, whose business is inspected by the health department because he is licensed for piercing, said too often people have problems with tattoos given in underground establishments.

    "A lot of people come in here asking 'Can you fix this?'" he said. "And I'll say 'Where did you get it done?' and they say they went to a guy's house with a kit."

    He said he would like to see laws even more stringent than proposed in the current bill.

    A similar bill was killed last year on the Senate floor after narrowly passing a committee. This time the measure may face a tough test in the Republican-controlled House of Representatives. It's scheduled for a committee hearing next week.

    "I'm more focused on getting worker's comp and tort reform passed than I am about tattooing," said Rep. Mike Thompson, R-Oklahoma City. "Tattooing was not a big issue for me when I was out campaigning."

    The popularity of tattoos boomed in the last decade and has now become commonplace with all segments of society, said Rep. Al Lindley, D-Oklahoma City, who introduced the bill.

    "I think a lot of people would be surprised at the number of bankers and lawyers getting tattooed," Lindley said.

    With local law enforcement agencies reluctant to use scarce resources to investigate illegal tattooing, Crutcher said some illegal tattoo artists are openly advertising their services in city phone directories.

    "This lack of enforcement is not lost on those providing illegal tattooing," Crutcher said.

    In 1997, Samples said, he was co-owner of the first Oklahoma shop ever raided, Freaks Mercantile of Tulsa. He said he paid a $100 fine and reopened the next day, and the law as it is written now has loopholes that make it difficult to enforce.

    Tigger Liddell, an Oklahoma City native who operates several tattoo parlors in Texas, said the popularity of tattoos is forcing many people in Oklahoma to go to unsafe artists and risk getting a disease through a dirty tattoo needle.

    "I know of full-blown underground tattoo studios operating in Oklahoma right now," Liddell said. "Sometimes they're clean and sometimes they're not."

    Crutcher said there has been a spike in the number of new hepatitis C infections, a serious disease that can be passed through use of dirty needles. Health officials have documented about 7,000 new cases of hepatitis C cases since 2000, a jump of 78 percent. The exact cause of the increase has not been determined.

    Dr. Edward Brandt Jr., a regents professor at the University of Oklahoma Health Sciences Center, said the American Medical Association and the Oklahoma State Medical Association both support regulating the practice of tattooing.

    "Any time you break the skin with an unsanitary object, you run the risk of infection," Brandt said. "Our view is that regulation and the regulation of appropriate preventive measures is critical."

    I took it upon myself to email the Republican controlled State House of Representatives -- the fuddy duddies who'll want to shoot this down. In the subject line I typed "Oklahomans have, can and will catch diseases from Unregulated Tattoo Parlors"

    Hopefully that will strike a chord with some of them. The ban on tattooing is not only in violation of the First Amendment, it is a Health Hazard! Here's what I wrote:


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    Dear Ladies and Gentlemen of the Oklahoma House of Representatives,

    I've never contacted an elected official in my life, but in this case
    I am compelled to do so. I understand that there is legislation being
    brought up in the senate regarding the legalization and regulation of
    tattoo parlors. As a taxpayer and citizen of Oklahoma, I would like
    to voice my thoughts on this and I sincerely appreciate the time you
    are taking to read this. Thank You.

    First of all, I've known several people who have operated makeshift
    (and unsanitary)
    tattoo parlors out of their basements and living rooms. Illegal
    tattooing is going on in Oklahoma. Hepatitis, AIDS, Syphillis --
    these are diseases that can be spread by using dirty needles. Oklahoma
    must legalize and regulate tattooing so that we can be sure that those
    who wish get inked can do it in a clean and
    safe environment. Besides, how would you feel if your child or loved
    one went to a makeshift tattoo parlor and contracted AIDS from a dirty
    tattoo needle? It has happened and will continue to happen without an
    intervention from leaders like yourself!

    If this law doesn't pass, the basement tattoo parlors will continue to
    operate. Tattoo artists will still continue to fight the state in
    court, costing the state taxpayers money in legal fees and I suspect
    that it could eventually lead to the U.S. Supreme Court. I am no
    legal expert, but personally I believe tattooing is a form of
    expression and I believe it to be protected under the First Amendment.
    Besides, the law we have on the books now is outdated. Tattoos can
    easily be removed by lasers. That wasn't possible in the 1950's when
    the ban was put into effect.

    Many of my peers have left Oklahoma and I've had plenty of chances to leave as
    well. People like me are leaving the state not because of the flat
    terrain or the unpredictable climate or the poor schools and crumbling
    roads. We're leaving Oklahoma because it is a really repressive
    place to live! The law banning tattoo parlors is just a little piece
    of that repressive Oklahoma mentality that is driving college educated
    and even non-college educated young people out of this state!

    I love my home state and I would like to see progress on many
    frontiers such as Workers Compensation, Tax Reform and improved roads
    and bridges. I know you all have other and bigger fish to fry, but
    this issue is a health issue and must be addressed! I am also
    sensitive to those of you who are opposed to tattooing on religious
    grounds. However, not everyone shares those views and those folks
    will still get tattooed whether you believe it to be wrong or not.

    The health and safety of many Oklahomans are in your hands.

    Thank You,
    Keith Mooney [quote]

    If we really want Oklahoma to progress, we need to change some of the ridiculous laws on our books. We are the only state in the union that outlaws tattoo parlors. Please contact your legislators and let them know that we're sick and tired of this stupid tattoo ban that makes Oklahoma the laughing stock of the country. Regardless of whether you are for or against tattooing, this is truly a health issue.
    Keith Mooney

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    Zoedith Guest

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    It's a pity how many people get infections and really awful tattoos in these make shift tattoo parlors. I would also like to see them pass this.

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    I do not like tattos and you will never see one on me. However, I DO respect a persons right to get one... Legally. Plus, it keeps Oklahoma money out of Texas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoedith
    It's a pity how many people get infections and really awful tattoos in these make shift tattoo parlors. I would also like to see them pass this.
    Somehow, many people think that tattoos are somehow immoral. The gentleman that brought this up is a brave man to stand up to the Bible thumpers. This comes up every single year... and every single year, the issue somehow goes away.

    I would be surprised to see this go anywhere.

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    Keith Guest

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    Thump, thump, thump...yep, we are still here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith
    Thump, thump, thump...yep, we are still here.
    So how is it against God to get a tattoo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midtowner
    So how is it against God to get a tattoo?
    Here is another observation. How do you know God himself does not have a tattoo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mranderson
    Here is another observation. How do you know God himself does not have a tattoo?
    It's probably a heart with the word "Mom" on it

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    Keith Guest

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midtowner
    So how is it against God to get a tattoo?
    I never said getting a tattoo was against God. I was just commenting on how you make fun of Bible Thumpers (I'm used to it now ). You see, there are many people I know that have tattoos, and some of them are Christian tattoos. I, personally, would not have a tattoo, nor would I want my kids to have one. The thing is, if they want to make tattoo's legal, I have no problem with it. I just want it to be done in sanitary conditions and according to health codes.

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    Zoedith Guest

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    Almost everything we do can be construed as immoral to someone else. I know this has come up for many years, but I would still like to see it passed. I think it's a good idea for any business that pierces your skin or may affect your health to be governed by health codes. Obviously, not passing it isn't going to stop it from happening, just make it safer.

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    I think dancing between unmarried people should be illegal. How about you?

    I think sex between unmarried people should be treated in the same manner rape is.

    I think tattoos deface God's work (the human body) and it should be illegal for residents of the state to have artificial body markings of any kind.

    Medicine should be illegal because it interferes with God's plan for your body and your life. Medicine is man's attempt to do God's work and should be illegal.

    It is a travesty that this liberal society lets women leave the home with hats on. Women that insist on showing their hair to individuals that are not married to them need to be stoned.

    God meant for his "Chosen People" to possess slaves from neighboring lands. We could solve a lot of labor problems right now if we were to pass laws allowing us, God's people (also known as Oklahomans) to possess heathens from neighboring lands. I need some Texan slaves to do my house cleaning.

    Geeze... I sound like some of the members of the Oklahoma congress..

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    mistress_x123 Guest

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    What I don't understand is that you can buy the tattoo gun and ink any where in Oklahoma but you can not get a tattoo. What do they thing your going to do with the tat gun anyway? (play cops and robber with it) I think it is the person disition if they want a tat or not. I know a lot of people go to Texas just to get the tat. Is it cuz oklahoma is mostly in the bible belt? Ok I have told everyone that I am from Arizonia. So a lot of Oklahoma laws and doings I find wierd (ok maybe I'm the wierd one but oh well, lol).

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    I've lived here for my entire life and I still am baffled by some of the dumb things we do. I blame a lot of it on our rural-dominated house and senate and the fact that they essentially loot the cities and don't really care about much else.

    I blame it on our local politicians who, although they could create an effective coaltion to stop this waste and foolishness, they don't. Instead, they are content to let senators like Shurden embarass the entire state with his ridiculous proposals.

    I'll bet cock-boxing gets to a vote of the senate. I seriously doubt tattooing will, and I know school district consolidation has already been dropped for this legislative session... (why does Oklahoma need 540 school districts?)

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    ~~*DarlingDiva*~~ Guest

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    I really think that Oklahoma Is finally coming out of the Dark ages now,the first big thing was the Lottery being voted in.YAY!!But I honestly think that the tatooing being illegal will be done away with as well ,Its justa matter of time.I really also do not see what is SO immoral about them I have 2 myself.I guess my only regrets are the places I got them and what I got them of.I would definitly change all that If I could do it all over.


    DarlingDiva

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    I think the should make it legal to get a tat done here in Oklahoma and keep that money here instead of it going to Texas (which I am currently planning on getting my first on in a couple months and like most I will be going to Gainsville to do it.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~~*DarlingDiva*~~
    I really think that Oklahoma Is finally coming out of the Dark ages now,the first big thing was the Lottery being voted in.YAY!!But I honestly think that the tatooing being illegal will be done away with as well ,Its justa matter of time.I really also do not see what is SO immoral about them I have 2 myself.I guess my only regrets are the places I got them and what I got them of.I would definitly change all that If I could do it all over.


    DarlingDiva
    3 places in the world where tattooing is illegal:

    South Carolina, Iran, Oklahoma

    Do we really want to be lumped together with those two?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midtowner
    3 places in the world where tattooing is illegal:

    South Carolina, Iran, Oklahoma

    Do we really want to be lumped together with those two?
    Try again. Oklahoma is the ONLY state in the nation that outlaws tattoing. All four television news stations in Oklahoma City have reported this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mranderson
    Try again. Oklahoma is the ONLY state in the nation that outlaws tattoing. All four television news stations in Oklahoma City have reported this.
    You're right. As of March 27th, 2004, Oklahoma is the only state left with this dumb law on the books.

    http://tattoo.about.com/b/a/075213.htm

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    Just to try to reply to what I have read in all these posts, I dont think tattoo's are imoral either in anyway. And who knows, GOD could have one himself, I hope to find out one day. I have been invited to tattoo parties but would never get one there. I go to a reputable parlor near me that is clean and inspected on a regular basis, and I visited a few of them before getting one, just to look around and see how clean they were. I have a favorite artist I use and stick with her. No they are not for everyone, and mine have meaning, although I would never get anyones name put on me. I hope Oklahoma does lift the ban. Tattoo's on a woman in the right places are very sexy, the girl I am seeing has two, one on her lower back, and one on her foot and to me they are a turn on, she likes mine as well. I guess another point, they are a good conversation starter in some cases.

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    I think tattoos are fine. If someone wants one, that is their perogative... I don't think anyone has a right to tell someone they shouldn't get a tattoo or pierce their ears, or wear makeup or wear their hair a certain way.... yes, there may be consequences to these choices but that's the individual's choice, to accept consequences for actions.. (maybe a teen won't get a job because he has a green mohawk for example-but he has to live with the lack of paycheck - not me)

    I always get the temporary ones on vacation... right above the bikini bottom on the lower back... permanent, no haven't done that, but I do have piercings -

    We used to have a Harley and rode with many people who had tattoos, some of the greatest, nicest people you ever want to meet.
    " You've Been Thunder Struck ! "

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    The temporary tattoo is a good way to see if you really want a permanent one. I am jealous you had a Harley, Karrie, I want one so bad. Harley riders are the friendliest riders I have ever met. I had a Suzuki, but the roads here are so bad it took the fun out of riding so I sold it.

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    Boo hoo, our baby had to be sold when we realized that if we both hit the pavement our boys would be parentless! Seriously, we didn't get a chance to ride it as much as we thought we would so it sat in the garage for too long. But, rest assured, we will get another one ... we had a Harley Road King Classic - Luxury Blue, Diamond Ice.. I can't talk about it, it's too sad.
    " You've Been Thunder Struck ! "

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    Sorry you had to sell your bike Karrie, that had to be a heart breaker but I hope you get another one. Everytime I come to town I stop in the Harley shop on Broadway across from The Outback Steakhouse in Edmond and buy a shirt. I want to drive out with a bike oneday. I doubt I will have one living up here because of the limited season and the roads, but rest assured, if I ever move there I will have one.

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    The bill to legalize tattooing passed the seante by a 30-15 vote, and now goes to the house.

    The practise would be regulated by the department of health, and ban the practise of tattooing and body piercing people under 18. The ban does not include ears.

    If the house passes the measure, then Oklahoma becomes the last (usually is) state to make tattoo parlors legal.

    As I have said before. I personally do not like tattoos. However, I respect someones right to have them, and to stay in Oklahoma to gett hem safely.

    Another way we can perevent people from going to Texas to spend Oklahoma money.

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    PamK1 Guest

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    I think tattoos look okay on some people when they are young and they don't overdo it. The problem is that they don't go away. Don't think I wanna see gannie with a sexy tat just above her butt.

    But I guess we are allowed to do alot of stupid things, why should tattoos be any different?

    I bet it passes this time. The girls at the strip clubs will be so happy!

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