Six Flags... Good or Bad Corporate Resident?

[okcpulse]

Check out my blog on Oklahoma City-based Six Flags at http://okcpulse.blogspot.com/ .

[metro]

I think it is a good resident despite its bad reputation and luck. Its always good to have a large corporate presence here

[Midtowner]

They pay taxes and pay good salaries. That in my book makes them good.

[okcpulse]

I do agree with your points, metro and Midtowner. I should have mentioned their additional contributions on my blog. Unfortunately, there isn't an edit feature I am aware of.

[mranderson]

They pay taxes and pay good salaries. That in my book makes them good.

...And what do you call a "good" salary?

[Midtowner]

...And what do you call a "good" salary?

The seem to fill their vacancies. Menial jobs are taken by kids over the summer. Their office jobs seem to pay well. Many moons ago, when I worked at the Sharper Image at Penn Square, Story was one of our top 10 customers.

But obviously, a "good" salary is something that seeks to lure qualified applicants with an enticing package.

As far as their "line" jobs, like groundskeepers at Frontier City, or lifeguards at White Water, the pay is horrible. But the kids choose to do it. In most cases, it's just spare money. Two of my girlfriend's best friends (who are also teachers) work at White Water over the Summer for extra money. One is a lifeguard, the other a bartender if you can picture that. I'm not sure how much they make, but they keep coming back every Summer, so they must enjoy something about that place.

[floater]

Here's a question: where are most of the executive-level positions and jobs based? Don't they maintain an office in New York? My guess is that's where the real $$$ is at. Maybe they're quiet because they're here in paper only.

[mranderson]

The seem to fill their vacancies. Menial jobs are taken by kids over the summer. Their office jobs seem to pay well. Many moons ago, when I worked at the Sharper Image at Penn Square, Story was one of our top 10 customers.

But obviously, a "good" salary is something that seeks to lure qualified applicants with an enticing package.

As far as their "line" jobs, like groundskeepers at Frontier City, or lifeguards at White Water, the pay is horrible. But the kids choose to do it. In most cases, it's just spare money. Two of my girlfriend's best friends (who are also teachers) work at White Water over the Summer for extra money. One is a lifeguard, the other a bartender if you can picture that. I'm not sure how much they make, but they keep coming back every Summer, so they must enjoy something about that place.

That is not an answer. Give me figures.

[Midtowner]

That is not an answer. Give me figures.

Well, I don't have figures. The last I heard, their groundskeeper kids were paid around $7.50/hr., but that was several years ago.

Whether it is a "good" salary in my opinion is purely subjective. If you want to define what is good or bad, please set those parameters for us.

I simply say that they must be good if they're filling all of their positions and accomplishing their goals -- or maybe not since their financial health isn't the best.

I could go either way here. I'm just not quite ready to indict them for being "Poor corporate citizens" just yet.

[mranderson]

Well, I don't have figures. The last I heard, their groundskeeper kids were paid around $7.50/hr., but that was several years ago.

Whether it is a "good" salary in my opinion is purely subjective. If you want to define what is good or bad, please set those parameters for us.

I simply say that they must be good if they're filling all of their positions and accomplishing their goals -- or maybe not since their financial health isn't the best.

I could go either way here. I'm just not quite ready to indict them for being "Poor corporate citizens" just yet.

Still not an answer I want figures.

[Midtowner]

Still not an answer I want figures.

Which figures?

[mranderson]

Which figures?

You said Six Flags pays "good salaries," and I asked you what a "good salary" is, and you are refusing to back up your claim with figures. You always tell people to back up their statements, however, when they ask YOU to back up yours you refuse. Now. The shoe is on the other foot. Either start obeying your own request or stop asking people to back up their claim with evidence.

Now. WHAT FIGURE IS A GOOD SALARY!?!

[Midtowner]

You said Six Flags pays "good salaries," and I asked you what a "good salary" is, and you are refusing to back up your claim with figures. You always tell people to back up their statements, however, when they ask YOU to back up yours you refuse. Now. The shoe is on the other foot. Either start obeying your own request or stop asking people to back up their claim with evidence.

Now. WHAT FIGURE IS A GOOD SALARY!?!

Is this some attempt on your part to be flippant?

A "good" salary is simply one that is competitive within a pool of qualified applicants giving the cost of living and other factors in a given area. To determine what a good salary is would require one to first know the qualifications of any given applicant.

In the case of a high school kid that needs a little extra summer spending cash, I guess $7.50/hr would be considered good since they have no real qualifications and no real need for the money.

You're asking me to define a purely subjective term. No, the shoe is not "on the other foot". As you say. I do know that Story, the CEO makes decent money. He was a top 10 customer when I was an associate at The Sharper Image. As I recall, he enjoyed driving expensive foriegn cars, so apparently his compensation was competitive. Do I have his W-2's so I can tell you what he makes? Nope. Is it a safe assumption that he is being compensated well enough that he chooses not to go job hunting? Given his tenure, I think you'd be safe there.

But again, I guess even after the many times I've posted the definition for subjective, you still don't comprehend the meaning of the word... Can't help ya there sir.

[mranderson]

Is this some attempt on your part to be flippant?

A "good" salary is simply one that is competitive within a pool of qualified applicants giving the cost of living and other factors in a given area. To determine what a good salary is would require one to first know the qualifications of any given applicant.

In the case of a high school kid that needs a little extra summer spending cash, I guess $7.50/hr would be considered good since they have no real qualifications and no real need for the money.

You're asking me to define a purely subjective term. No, the shoe is not "on the other foot". As you say. I do know that Story, the CEO makes decent money. He was a top 10 customer when I was an associate at The Sharper Image. As I recall, he enjoyed driving expensive foriegn cars, so apparently his compensation was competitive. Do I have his W-2's so I can tell you what he makes? Nope. Is it a safe assumption that he is being compensated well enough that he chooses not to go job hunting? Given his tenure, I think you'd be safe there.

But again, I guess even after the many times I've posted the definition for subjective, you still don't comprehend the meaning of the word... Can't help ya there sir.

I could say the same about you. You bust people in the chops for not giving your idea of solid evidence to their claim, but you do not feel that rule applies to you. Now. If you will not answer my question with solid evidence, then stop asking people do give supportive evidence. It is a two way street. You are not special. Either flatly refuse to answer and stop asking people to support their claims, or we need to move on. One more time. FIGURES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Floating_adrift]

Mr. Anderson, did you not catch the part up above where he said he didn't have figures?

[mranderson]

Mr. Anderson, did you not catch the part up above where he said he didn't have figures?

That is not the point. He is always asking people to backup their posts with data, however, he will not do it himself. All I am doing to him is what he does to other people. I could say the same thing (no figures) and he will not accept it.

[okcpulse]

The actual headquarters are located here in Oklahoma City. Only the financial offices are located in New York. The headquarters building is located just south of the park next to the Silver Bullet roller coaster. I'm not sure how many people work there, seeing as how the south parking lot is always full.

I used to know someone that probably still works there. I believe she made $35,000 a year, but the last time I talked to her was 2001 and that was when she told me her annual salary after I asked her out of curiosity. From what I recall, she did not have one of the top positions, just did secretarial work. She did tell me the planning and design department is a part of the Oklahoma City office, as well as company management.

[okcpulse]

The point to my blog was Six Flags' involvement in our community. Other Oklahoma City headquartered companies like Devon give a lot to this community. Six Flags, other than paying corporate taxes and salaries, really doesn't involve themselves in our community as other companies have, and they best way they can become involved is improving Frontier City. I appreciate what they have done so far, but they could do a lot more.

[Floating_adrift]

They could do nothing in the community and still be considered 'good' in my book. They pay taxes and offer employment opportunites. I know someone that works there and they do very well salary-wise.

To be 'bad' they would need to be doing something detrimental such as dumping waste in the pond out back or something to that effect.

As far as doing something for the community, they offer a whole park full of entertainment....

[Midtowner]

I could say the same about you. You bust people in the chops for not giving your idea of solid evidence to their claim, but you do not feel that rule applies to you. Now. If you will not answer my question with solid evidence, then stop asking people do give supportive evidence. It is a two way street. You are not special. Either flatly refuse to answer and stop asking people to support their claims, or we need to move on. One more time. FIGURES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

3 out of 4 Marthas agree that mranderson is being flippant here.

How's that for numbers?

[Midtowner]

That is not the point. He is always asking people to backup their posts with data, however, he will not do it himself. All I am doing to him is what he does to other people. I could say the same thing (no figures) and he will not accept it.

Bud, I ask for numbers then there are numbers to be had. If you want to make this point somewhere where it can actually be made, fine. This, however, is not one of those times. Unless you can set some parameters, or give me examples of which numbers you want, what constitutes "good", what constitutes "bad", fine, I'll go do your research (but by that time, you could have google.com'd it anyhow).

I constantly harp on you when you are making subjective claims when there is a great deal of objective data out there to be had -- e.g. the light rail thread.

You just don't get it I'm afraid...

[metro]

can i be the 5th martha?

[Midtowner]

I could say the same about you. You bust people in the chops for not giving your idea of solid evidence to their claim, but you do not feel that rule applies to you. Now. If you will not answer my question with solid evidence, then stop asking people do give supportive evidence. It is a two way street. You are not special. Either flatly refuse to answer and stop asking people to support their claims, or we need to move on. One more time. FIGURES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Some more figures for you:

5 out of 6 Kenneths believe that mranderson does not understand the difference between objective and subjective information.

[Midtowner]

can i be the 5th martha?

Is your name Martha?

If yes, then okay.

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