TCU Invited to Big 12 - Expected to Accept

[Thunder]

Yeah, I'm sure it was on this forum a few years ago. It is impossible to find it. I think it was something about me asking or saying about OU vs OSU for the title game.

[rcjunkie]

Yeah, I'm sure it was on this forum a few years ago. It is impossible to find it. I think it was something about me asking or saying about OU vs OSU for the title game.

Your thinking about OU vs OSU for the Big 12 Championship (which could not happen), not the National Championship

[Just the facts]

Just to add some insight into this topic - I went to the BCS rulebook.

http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/bcs_explained.html

5. After completion of the selection process as described in Paragraph Nos. 1-4, the conferences and Notre Dame may, but are not required to, adjust the pairings taking into consideration the following:

•A. whether the same team will be playing in the same bowl game for two consecutive years;
•B. whether two teams that played against one another in the regular season will be paired against one another in a bowl game;
•C. whether the same two teams will play against each other in a bowl game for two consecutive years; and
•D. whether alternative pairings may have greater or lesser appeal to college football fans as measured by expected ticket sales for the bowls and by expected television interest, and the consequent financial impact on Fox and the bowls.

Fox would never allow two SEC teams to play each other even if they were ranked #1 and #2 and neither would the other bowls.

[betts]

It's extremely unlikely two teams from the same conference would play each other in a BCS bowl game. I agree Fox wouldn't like to see that, nor would the bowls. However, the BCS title game is technically conference blind. The large conferences, with their conference championship games, make it very unlikely that two teams from the same conference every play for the national title. For example, in the scenario where LSU beats Alabama and remains undefeated even in their conference championship game, they would definitely play in the NC game. If Alabama didn't lose again and every other team in BCS conferences had at least one loss as well, it is likely that Alabama, going into conference championship week, would still be ranked #2. But since they wouldn't be playing in a conference championship game because LSU would be the western SEC champion, psychologically the voters would be likely to rank another one loss team that wins a conference championship higher than a non-playing Alabama, as would the computers. In the days before conference championships it well could have happened that an undefeated LSU team would play a one-loss Alabama if every other team in the nation had at least one loss.

[BrettM2]

Expansion News for Today...

- BYU has determined they want to stay independent and have turned down the Big 12

Where did you hear this? I haven't seen it.

[venture]

Where did you hear this? I haven't seen it.

Orangebloods.com, which for some reason has been pretty good at digging up fairly accurate information.

[BrettM2]

Orangebloods.com, which for some reason has been pretty good at digging up fairly accurate information.

While BYU wouldn't have been a knockout choice, I think they would have been solid and I was hoping to get to 12 teams again. I guess we'll just have to see.

[venture]

Yeah, all reports right now signal the Big 12 is content with staying at 10 teams for next season. Who knows after that.

[MDot]

Yeah, all reports right now signal the Big 12 is content with staying at 10 teams for next season. Who knows after that.

It sounds like they're content because all the schools they've approached have turned them down besides TCU and the only other one that wants to join is SDSU.

[Native Okie]

There is another smaller issue with BYU and why they would like to stay independent. It has to do with the Honor Code of the school, and prejudice. I live in San Diego and last year the Basketball games between SDSU and BYU were ugly as far a fan behavior goes. SDSU fans dressed as Mormon missionaries and repeatedly threw paper "tracks" and shouted comments at the BYU athletes and fans in regard to the mormon religion. There was discussion asking The Mountain West to explore the Honor policy of the University, Some ACLU lawyer making inquiries if their policy on pre-marital sex and drinking violated conference policy. The response was they are a private school etc. Shortly after that they went independent. I will look for the story that aired out here.

[venture]

Something I've found interesting. The last couple of days both CBS Sports and ESPN have been on the Big 12 bandwagon calling it the most impressive and/or best conference so far this year in football. Not really shocking since we've had at least 5 teams in the Top 25 all season it seems. Out of conference games haven't been too shabby either.

[MDot]

Something I've found interesting. The last couple of days both CBS Sports and ESPN have been on the Big 12 bandwagon calling it the most impressive and/or best conference so far this year in football. Not really shocking since we've had at least 5 teams in the Top 25 all season it seems. Out of conference games haven't been too shabby either.

I noticed the same thing and they make valid points as well, such as "The Big XII has only lost 3 OOC games" which is impressive. But hey, for a dying conference I'll take that any day.

[dankrutka]

I've also heard some of the problems with BYU concern their TV network and I think that we don't need them if we are going to have more TV problems via the LHN.

The Big 12 sends the wrong message by staying at 10. We remain vulnerable. We need to be proactive for once if we want this conference to be sustainable long term. I think adding Louisville and West Virginia to get to 12 does that, but maybe even adding schools like Cincy, Central Florida, or South Florida and going to 14 like the SEC would send a stronger message. If we don't expand before others we'll be fighting to get some of these schools, but we could act preemptively and get them while they are vulnerable... Just my opinion.

[Roadhawg]

I noticed the same thing and they make valid points as well, such as "The Big XII has only lost 3 OOC games" which is impressive. But hey, for a dying conference I'll take that any day.

Only because the OOC teams pretty much all sucked.... FSU gave OK a tough game but it turns out they aren't that good.

[betts]

Only because the OOC teams pretty much all sucked.... FSU gave OK a tough game but it turns out they aren't that good.

When you've lost your quarterback, starting left tackle. a starting guard and starting tailback, combined with an emotional loss against a top-ranked team, you're not necessarily the team you were before the start of the OU-FSU game. Teams aren't static when they have significant injuries.

[thundersooner]

Remember Florida St is still better than people think. They have their backup QB playing since EJ Manuel was knocked out of the OU game.

[venture]

The Big 12 sends the wrong message by staying at 10. We remain vulnerable. We need to be proactive for once if we want this conference to be sustainable long term. I think adding Louisville and West Virginia to get to 12 does that, but maybe even adding schools like Cincy, Central Florida, or South Florida and going to 14 like the SEC would send a stronger message. If we don't expand before others we'll be fighting to get some of these schools, but we could act preemptively and get them while they are vulnerable... Just my opinion.

Agree. Also the Big East attempted, but didn't succeed today, in raising exit fees to be around $17 million to $20 million. If the Big 12 wants to secure itself going forward, we need to go to 12 or 14 and be done with it...before target schools get locked into extremely expensive exit penalties. I think the schools you listed are the best options right now. UCF and USF aren't the strongest, well South Florida has been getting better, but it opens us to a huge media market in Florida. That is what this is all about right? WVU, Cincy, and UL gets us locked into the Ohio Valley and some of the Great Lakes (well Big 10 doesn't trump us).

[MDot]

Only because the OOC teams pretty much all sucked.... FSU gave OK a tough game but it turns out they aren't that good.

Just sayin. If people can say Boise State's record is 63-5 over the past decade and deserve to be considered a top dog even though they play BS teams then why can't we say we've only lost 3 OOC games EVEN if the teams we've played suck? Lol

I like Boise State, so that isn't a knock for all you Boise State lovers to attack me on. :-)

[MDot]

Oh yeah, and those 3 losses were all to ranked teams. But I know it doesn't matter since those 3 teams are the only good teams the Big XII has played.

[Native Okie]

What about Colorado State? or a New Mexico the lobos would not hurt in Basketball. It is still regional gets you back in the Denver market. Why not ask a Florida State or Miami maybe a Fresno State Bulldogs to hit Cali, I agree SDSU is too weak. Wyoming too small.

[Just the facts]

In the days before conference championships it well could have happened that an undefeated LSU team would play a one-loss Alabama if every other team in the nation had at least one loss.

That could have never happened. It would of been impossible for two conference teams to play each other in a bowl game. In the old days (actually this is still true outside the 8 BCS teams) bowls were preselected to take confernece teams in the order they finished. No bowl had two conference tie-ins to the same conference. Pre-BCS the #1 SEC team went to the Sugar Bowl, #2 went to Captial One Bowl, #3 went to the Outback Bowl, etc...

Prior to the BCS, the #1 team played the #2 team in a bowl game only 5 times.

[ljbab728]

Pre-BCS the #1 SEC team went to the Sugar Bowl, #2 went to Captial One Bowl, #3 went to the Outback Bowl, etc....

Kerry, I'm not sure about how that worked with the SEC but I know that wasn't true of the Big 8. The number one team did go to a particular bowl but the number two bowl could chose next and pick whichever team they wanted and the number three bowl picked next without regard to how the teams finished. It still works that way with the Big 12.

[dankrutka]

There were a some rare instances when conference teams played each other in a bowl game. OU played Nebraska in the 1978 Orange Bowl.

If there were no other undefeated teams it is not at all implausible that Alabama and LSU could rematch in the national championship game. It is very unlikely because voters would likely look elsewhere first, but it is possible. In 2007 a 2-loss LSU played 1-loss Ohio State. Ohio State was the only one loss team in the country. If another Big 10 school had only one loss that year they would have played Ohio State for the title, but years like 2007 are rare...

[Just the facts]

There were a some rare instances when conference teams played each other in a bowl game. OU played Nebraska in the 1978 Orange Bowl.

That was because the Orange Bowl had the Big 8 winner and an at-large bid.

Here are this years Big XII tie-ins:

http://www.holyturf.com/2011/06/big-...for-2011-2012/

The new look Big 12 has seven bowl tie ins. Here is the information you need in chronological order.

Holiday Bowl-San Diego, CA
December 28, 2011- 8PM CST on ESPN
Bowl Payout-$2.125 million
Big 12 #5 vs. Pac 12 #3
2010 result: Washington 19 Nebraska 7

Alamo Bowl-San Antonio, TX
December 29, 2011- 8PM CST on ESPN
Bowl Payout-$3.175 million
Big 12 #3 vs. Pac-12 #2
2010 Result: Oklahoma State 36 Arizona 10

Pinstripe Bowl-Bronx, NY
December 30, 2011- 2:20pm CST on ESPN
Bowl Payout-$1.8 million
Big 12 #7 vs. Big East #4
2010 Result: Syracuse 36 Kansas State 34

Insight Bowl-Tempe, AZ
December 30, 2011- 9PM CST on ESPN
Bowl Payout-$3.35 million
Big 12 #4 vs Big 10 #4
2010 Result: Iowa 27 Missouri 24

Meineke Car Care Bowl of Texas-Houston, TX
December 31, 2011- 11AM CST on ESPN
Bowl Payout-$1.7 million
Big 12 #6 vs. Big 10 #6
2010 Result: Illinois 38 Baylor 14

Fiesta Bowl-Glendale, AZ
January 5, 2012- 7PM CST on ESPN
Bowl Payout-$17 million
Big 12 Champion vs. BCS
2011 Result: Oklahoma 48 UConn 20

Cotton Bowl-Arlington, TX
January 6, 2012-7PM CST on Fox
Bowl Payout-$3.625 million
Big 12 #2 vs. SEC #3 or 4
2011 Result: LSU 41 Texas A&M 24

[ljbab728]

Kerry, again keep in mind that, for instance, the fact that the Cotton Bowl says Big 12 #2 doesn't mean that they have to take the second place team. It just means they get the first choice of any team below the champion.