Should Shadid drop out now?

[ljbab728]

Ed's latest clarification:

Oklahoma City mayoral candidate Ed Shadid responds to media reports on divorce records | News OK

In a statement about the unsealing of his divorce records, Oklahoma City mayoral candidate Ed Shadid said Sunday “there were many false allegations during our divorce.”

“I will not engage in further dialogue on these matters,” he wrote at the end of the statement posted on Facebook.

That should certainly settle everything.

[kevinpate]

So now I am again confuzzled. It seems as though the candidate now suggests Hammam was capable of being extremely untruthful during court, even though at the time she under the guidance of counsel, who must balance advocacy for a client with the obligations inherent in being an officer of the court.

If one is to believe Hammam capable of repeatedly lying in court during the proceedings, what does it say about a candidate who seeks out, one might even opine parades out, that very same person to vouch for, even praise, the candidate as the next best hope for the city?

Interesting poster.

[betts]

Once you accuse a person of lying, everything they say is suspect, including now. Once you catch a person lying, as we have found Ed doing multiple times, everything they say is suspect. To quote a relative of Ed's wife, however, "She's the queen of over sharing." I'm inclined to believe there's at least a big kernel of truth to what she said in court, in front of a judge.

[soonerguru]

My opposition to Ed is issue-based. I didn't know all of this stuff. I only know my own experience and what the guy says he will do versus what he does, and how ineffective he would be as mayor.

The only thing that should concern supporters about this stuff, however, is that he lied to them as recently as last week when he said his Fifth Amendment pleas were only about his marijuana addiction. The Oklahoman reports he pled the Fifth after three questions, pertaining to MJ, cocaine use, and pornography. So while it may be true that his transgressions were in the past, apparently he also has recently lied to the public about those court proceedings.

[tomokc]

From Shadid's Facebook page (as reported in the Oklahoman): “I will not engage in further dialogue on these matters,” he wrote at the end of the statement posted on Facebook."

He's quiet when he wants to hide the truth and deny accusations, but when he wants to spin his version of events he is available to the Oklahoman, Gazette, Red Dirt Report, Facebook, etc.

Similarly, his ex-wife says he's an abusive, terrible husband & father when it suits her needs as an estranged wife and protector of her children, but now he's "father of the year" when he's running for office.

What began as an amusing candidacy has become pathetic, and now I wish that it - and he - would simply go away.

[Midtowner]

So now I am again confuzzled. It seems as though the candidate now suggests Hammam was capable of being extremely untruthful during court, even though at the time she under the guidance of counsel, who must balance advocacy for a client with the obligations inherent in being an officer of the court.

If one is to believe Hammam capable of repeatedly lying in court during the proceedings, what does it say about a candidate who seeks out, one might even opine parades out, that very same person to vouch for, even praise, the candidate as the next best hope for the city?

Interesting poster.

If she's ready to admit she lied, I'd sure like to see the District Attorney follow up with charges. Lying about that sort of thing in a child custody case is reprehensible (but not uncommon). This would be a fine example to have someone be made an example of.

[Edgar]

W. Bush a hard drinking cokehead and I bet most of you voted for him twice. Probably would have surfed porn on the internets if Al had invented it yet. Barack a charter member of the choom club, and now he's the leader of the free world. Ed's qualified. Vote Shadid! really if you truly want a "faith based community" Jesus would approve, Mick for a continued plutocracy of a few secretive filthy rich white guys.

[PhiAlpha]

W. Bush a hard drinking cokehead and I bet most of you voted for him twice. Probably would have surfed porn on the internets if Al had invented it yet. Barack a charter member of the choom club, and now he's the leader of the free world. Ed's qualified. Vote Shadid! really if you truly want a "faith based community" Jesus would approve, Mick for a continued plutocracy of a few secretive filthy rich white guys.

Again, the bigger issue are his ridiculous views about where the city should go next and his opposition to public projects that have already been voter approved...and his lying about previously supporting those projects. Obviously the no holds bared attempts to overthrow MAPS all together (that he of course had nothing to do with) were just the cherry on top. The guy is a dirt bag when it comes to that.

Btw, did you ever give us an answer as to what Ed is actually going to do better then Cornett? He certainly beat his ex wife, smoked the reefer (not that that really bothers me, but still), and watched porn better than Mick, but what will he do better for OKC?

Maybe we can give his campaign a remember the Alamo type battle cry... I'm all for something to the effect of "Rape and murder the children!"

[SoonerDave]

W. Bush a hard drinking cokehead and I bet most of you voted for him twice. Probably would have surfed porn on the internets if Al had invented it yet. Barack a charter member of the choom club, and now he's the leader of the free world. Ed's qualified. Vote Shadid! really if you truly want a "faith based community" Jesus would approve, Mick for a continued plutocracy of a few secretive filthy rich white guys.

Give it up, Ed. Seriously.

Just give it up already.

[PhiAlpha]

W. Bush a hard drinking cokehead and I bet most of you voted for him twice. Probably would have surfed porn on the internets if Al had invented it yet. Barack a charter member of the choom club, and now he's the leader of the free world. Ed's qualified. Vote Shadid! really if you truly want a "faith based community" Jesus would approve, Mick for a continued plutocracy of a few secretive filthy rich white guys.

Also, with the wealth of so many filthy rich white guys on this board...maybe we could all purchase the stage center site and build a 70 story tower on it.

[Edgar]

Mick quit a couple of years ago. It'd be like electing Sara Palin again in Alaska., but that's ok you all probably voted for her to be an old man's ticker away from the presidency didn't you.

[catch22]

Mick quit a couple of years ago. It'd be like electing Sara Palin again in Alaska., but that's ok you all probably voted for her to be an old man's ticker away from the presidency didn't you.

I think the majority of the people in this thread would consider themselves liberal.

I think that speak volumes as to how bad Shadid would be; liberal and conservatives uniting against a candidate. Almost unheard of in today's political climate.

[Edgar]

Also, with the wealth of so many filthy rich white guys on this board...maybe we could all purchase the stage center site and build a 70 story tower on it.

yeah, and while you're at it, rip up the stately Centennial Plaza for some hick olies soulless ugly totally inappropriate vision.

[Edgar]

I think the majority of the people in this thread would consider themselves liberal.

I think that speak volumes as to how bad Shadid would be; liberal and conservatives uniting against a candidate. Almost unheard of in today's political climate.

You can't possibly call yourself a liberal and support an intolerant religious right conservative like Cornett.

[soonerguru]

You can't possibly call yourself a liberal and support an intolerant religious right conservative like Cornett.

That is not a fair description of the mayor -- not at all. You're not winning me over with arguments like that. For the record, I know both men, and I have found the mayor to be far more open-minded than Shadid. It's not even close. And yes, I'm a committed liberal voter and have been my whole life. But thanks for the insult.

Also, though he has tried numerous times, Ed Shadid cannot get the endorsement of the Oklahoma Democratic Party. The Democrats want nothing to do with Ed Shadid or his candidacy. Why do you think that is?

[catch22]

You can't possibly call yourself a liberal and support an intolerant religious right conservative like Cornett.

Considering our conservative mayor has been leading the way on "liberal" issues (streetcar, bus system improvements, sidewalks, trails, commuter rail, etc.). I'd vote for him any day of the week compared to Ed Shadid, who seems to flip-flop on many of those issues.

In fact, I'd hire a school bus to pick people up on voting day if it came down to it. Wait....that sounds familiar.

[adaniel]

You can't possibly call yourself a liberal and support an intolerant religious right conservative like Cornett.

The few people I personally know who support Shadid are all tea party/libertarian types. FWIW Cornett has criticized the national GOP's rightward lurch and their subsequent erosion in urban areas. Not something I would expect from a hardcore RW conservative.

With municipal races officially non-partisan here, I don't think you can put people into neatly defined camps like you can with state or national politics.

[BoulderSooner]

You can't possibly call yourself a liberal and support an intolerant religious right conservative like Cornett.

I don't think you know the definition of intolerant

[kevinpate]

... Vote Shadid! really if you truly want ... secretive filthy rich ... .

There, cut through the clutter for you.

[kevinpate]

Edgar, you realize I hope that you're getting into the realm of perhaps telling more lies than Shadid has apparently suggested were being told back in the court hearing days.

bad form old bean. bad form.

[soonerguru]

Mick quit a couple of years ago. It'd be like electing Sara Palin again in Alaska., but that's ok you all probably voted for her to be an old man's ticker away from the presidency didn't you.

Check the facts, Edgar. Ask your buddy Ed who he voted for. For the record, he didn't support Obama in either election. He said on his Facebook that Romney and Obama were the same. Perhaps you should direct your anger at Ed, because he tried to undermine both of Barack Obama's campaigns.

The only presidential candidate I've seen Ed Shadid publicly support is Ralph Nader. Hmm. I take it you hate Bush, right? You think maybe Nader's 95,000 votes in Florida had an impact in a race decided by hundreds of votes? Are you a Nader guy like your buddy Ed, too?

[Edgar]

Check the facts, Edgar. Ask your buddy Ed who he voted for. For the record, he didn't support Obama in either election. He said on his Facebook that Romney and Obama were the same. Perhaps you should direct your anger at Ed, because he tried to undermine both of Barack Obama's campaigns.

The only presidential candidate I've seen Ed Shadid publicly support is Ralph Nader. Hmm. I take it you hate Bush, right? You think maybe Nader's 95,000 votes in Florida had an impact in a race decided by hundreds of votes? Are you a Nader guy like your buddy Ed, too?

Totally support Nader's crusade against the corrupting influence of pay for play money in politics and reestablishing actual representative government, ending corporate plutocracy that's created an unhealthy society in America. Pragmatically I'm angry he refused to drop out when he knew it would quite possibly give the lection to Bush. 1000s of 1,000s of Iraqis would agree.

[Edgar]

That is not a fair description of the mayor -- not at all. You're not winning me over with arguments like that. For the record, I know both men, and I have found the mayor to be far more open-minded than Shadid. It's not even close. And yes, I'm a committed liberal voter and have been my whole life. But thanks for the insult.

Also, though he has tried numerous times, Ed Shadid cannot get the endorsement of the Oklahoma Democratic Party. The Democrats want nothing to do with Ed Shadid or his candidacy. Why do you think that is?

Apparently I'm the only one who remembers the ads Mick ran when vying to represent the district that elected church camp boy- blowing the dog whistle to get the attention of the religious bigots.

[soonerguru]

Agree, Sid Burgess. Agree.

[soonerguru]

Totally support Nader's crusade against the corrupting influence of pay for play money in politics and reestablishing actual representative government, ending corporate plutocracy that's created an unhealthy society in America. Pragmatically I'm angry he refused to drop out when he knew it would quite possibly give the lection to Bush. 1000s of 1,000s of Iraqis would agree.

I remember arguing with people like yourself and Ed Shadid. I had friends who followed Nader over the cliff. Unlike Ed Shadid and some of my friends, you at least recognized where he was taking us.