Should Shadid drop out now?

[ljbab728]

You don't know where it is, exactly. That is all I need to know. Don't make a claim when there is nothing to back it up, done.

Plupan, the claim was made in court. I didn't make it. Please tell me if anyone in the court case questioned the existence of the recording and has Ed ever denied that it exists. If the parties involved don't question this, why would you?

[Plutonic Panda]

Plupan, the claim was made in court. I didn't make it. Please tell me if anyone in the court case questioned the existence of the recording and has Ed ever denied that it exists. If the parties involved don't question this, why would you?

Ok, but I'm only saying, has anyone ever heard it? That is my question! There are irrational people that would likely make a false claim under certain conditions(divorce) without thinking of the repercussions. Did she show the tape to the authorities? I just want to know if someone other than her or her friends have heard this supposedly recording of Shadid saying these things, that's all I want.

Also, Ed never denied it nor did he admit to it. If everyday you came and accused me of stupid things like supporting Hitler or trying to eradicate Asians from the earth and one day I just got tired of it and stopped trying to defend myself and you came and said "I suspect you are collecting peoples garbage to entice flies and collect the acid from their saliva so I can shoot it a vault in a bank and steal the money like MC PEE PANTS" and I never denied it, would that mean I am automatically guilty?

[soonerguru]

Ok, but I'm only saying, has anyone ever heard it? That is my question! There are irrational people that would likely make a false claim under certain conditions(divorce) without thinking of the repercussions. Did she show the tape to the authorities? I just want to know if someone other than her or her friends have heard this supposedly recording of Shadid saying these things, that's all I want.

Also, Ed never denied it nor did he admit to it. If everyday you came and accused me of stupid things like supporting Hitler or trying to eradicate Asians from the earth and one day I just got tired of it and stopped trying to defend myself and you came and said "I suspect you are collecting peoples garbage to entice flies and collect the acid from their saliva so I can shoot it a vault in a bank and steal the money like MC PEE PANTS" and I never denied it, would that mean I am automatically guilty?

Who knows? Why don't you wait until you can actually read the court docs? Why would anyone here have heard the recording?

[Plutonic Panda]

Who knows? Why don't you wait until you can actually read the court docs? Why would anyone here have heard the recording?

Never said anyone here has heard the recordings.

Why don't you wait until you can actually read the court docs?

(a)I thought they have already been released (b) I only say this because it seems plenty of people have already gotten worked over something that hasn't even been proven yet.

If this is indeed true, go ahead and work yourself up over something stupid. If it is indeed false, then whoever was worked up will look really dumb.

The only question I have here is, has anyone heard the tape? That is all I want to know, not expecting anyone here to have heard it. Has a judge heard it, has a lawyer heard it, has a place officer heard it? Has anyone heard the tape besides her or her friends(person with no conflict of interest).

[soonerguru]

Well you seem obsessed with that one thing. I don't think people here know. I'm not an attorney. Some people who post here are. It was stated that there was a recording. Who knows? Why does it matter?

I suggest looking at the bigger picture. You think this guy is qualified to be mayor of OKC?

As for the court docs, I don't have access to them in spite of the fact they have been unsealed. I'm awaiting the Oklahoman article on the matter.

[Plutonic Panda]

omg, never mind...

[hoya]

Ok, but I'm only saying, has anyone ever heard it? That is my question! There are irrational people that would likely make a false claim under certain conditions(divorce) without thinking of the repercussions. Did she show the tape to the authorities? I just want to know if someone other than her or her friends have heard this supposedly recording of Shadid saying these things, that's all I want.

Also, Ed never denied it nor did he admit to it. If everyday you came and accused me of stupid things like supporting Hitler or trying to eradicate Asians from the earth and one day I just got tired of it and stopped trying to defend myself and you came and said "I suspect you are collecting peoples garbage to entice flies and collect the acid from their saliva so I can shoot it a vault in a bank and steal the money like MC PEE PANTS" and I never denied it, would that mean I am automatically guilty?

Well, I am an attorney. I don't know Ed Shadid, never met him, and have no opinion on the guy other than he appears to be anti-streetcar and I don't like that. He's apparently pissed a lot of people off. I really like Mick Cornett and so was going to support him anyway, regardless of whether any of this Shadid stuff was true.

Judge Hammond unsealed the records on Friday. The courthouse is closed until this next Thursday, so if you didn't get in there and get a copy of the file, you're out of luck until then. I seriously doubt there are any recordings that have been included in the court file. As far as I know the court clerk's office doesn't retain any physical evidence like that. I didn't run down and get a copy of the records on Friday, and I don't intend to, so I can't say what the exact contents of the file are.

What it sounds like is that Shadid's ex-wife recorded some conversations, not necessarily the ones people are focusing on today. She made other claims as well, and then when Shadid was questioned about some of it in depositions, he took the 5th. We don't have the transcripts of those depositions to see the exact back and forth that went on. He also admits to some of that activity but denies anything that could get him in more serious trouble. His wife didn't present any of this stuff to the police, or the District Attorney, or the medical licensing board, because she's just trying to get the kids and she's not trying to kill the goose that lays the golden alimony payments. The allegations of watching porn in front of the kids (depending on the exact circumstances) could actually get him sent to prison, so he totally needed to take the 5th as far as that goes, if there's even the slightest little shred of truth. If your answer is anything other than "no, never" and you never deviate from it, I'd advise any client to do the same. You never know when an overzealous DA will charge someone with a sex offense for watching Girls Gone Wild when their kid is asleep in the same room.

Without reviewing everything there's no way to know who has those recordings, who has heard them, whether they were ever admitted into evidence or played for the court, etc. I'm not particularly concerned with the "rape and kill the kids" statement, it seems like it's a very poorly worded attempt to show how serious he is. Like "if I do this again, may God strike me dead" kind of thing, just a more extreme and more shocking example. Poor judgment and phrasing on his part, but it doesn't necessarily make him a horrible person.

[soonerguru]

Records contradict Shadid claims

By Nolan Clay and Robby Trammell , The Oklahoman
Modified: December 22, 2013 at 12:45 am • Published: December 21, 2013

Oklahoma City mayoral candidate Ed Shadid has made claims this month about his past drug abuse and his invoking of the Fifth Amendment to avoid criminal prosecution that conflict with divorce records just made public.

He also made assertions about episodes of domestic violence that are inconsistent with the records.

Records contradict Shadid claims | News OK

[betts]

I've read this story a couple times and have been thinking about it. I think the old saying, "Truth is stranger than fiction" may hold true here. While people do lie and exaggerate in court (and as a pediatrician at Children's, we deal with people who lie to us and in court), What I've found, after years of doing this, and perhaps the attorneys here could corroborate, is that people are generally not very creative liars. Shadid's wife, if she was lying, was telling some whoppers worthy of a creative writing class. They sound true precisely because of how odd they are.

[tomokc]

During the trial when she was making these statements, did Shadid or his attorney ever deny them or call her a liar? If not then that seems to be an acknowledgement that they are factual.

[Midtowner]

This wasn't a jury trial, it was a custody trial tried before a judge. I've tried cases to this judge and considering the allegations, she'll let the party testify about them and she'll decide what sort of weight to attach to them. I would have to think that if the wife could corroborate very much of what she was saying, Dr. Shadid was having a less than spectacular time in court.

Who knows what horse trading happened in the end? I do know that this particular judge, had she heard all of this and believed there to still be continuing threats of harm to the children would probably not have signed off on something which could place the children in the way of harm.

I have mixed feelings of this sideshow. I'm still interested in how Shadid has conducted himself since his election--and I'm not giving him very high marks at all.

[soonerguru]

This wasn't a jury trial, it was a custody trial tried before a judge. I've tried cases to this judge and considering the allegations, she'll let the party testify about them and she'll decide what sort of weight to attach to them. I would have to think that if the wife could corroborate very much of what she was saying, Dr. Shadid was having a less than spectacular time in court.

Who knows what horse trading happened in the end? I do know that this particular judge, had she heard all of this and believed there to still be continuing threats of harm to the children would probably not have signed off on something which could place the children in the way of harm.

I have mixed feelings of this sideshow. I'm still interested in how Shadid has conducted himself since his election--and I'm not giving him very high marks at all.

The Oklahoman article was much more detailed than anything else we've seen.

1. The reporters question whether Shadid lied to the medical licensing authorities to ensure his medical license.

2. The reporters clearly outline how Shadid has lied IN THE LAST WEEK about the matters for which he pled the fifth. He said it was "only" about marijuana, when the testimony shows his plea was also about cocaine and pornography.

3. The issue that Plutonic Panda has raised -- the existence of a recording of the "vile" quote the Oklahoman refused to publish -- seems to have been answered. The Oklahoman states that a recording of the controversial statement exists.

Most importantly, the article provides a little context for the bizarre public statements Shadid has made.

[mkjeeves]

I've read this story a couple times and have been thinking about it. I think the old saying, "Truth is stranger than fiction" may hold true here. While people do lie and exaggerate in court (and as a pediatrician at Children's, we deal with people who lie to us and in court), What I've found, after years of doing this, and perhaps the attorneys here could corroborate, is that people are generally not very creative liars. Shadid's wife, if she was lying, was telling some whoppers worthy of a creative writing class. They sound true precisely because of how odd they are.

Knowing her version of the truth, whatever it is, she still supports Ed over Mick.

“I care deeply about Oklahoma City and wish to support our elected officials. But I care more that Oklahoma City is in the best hands. Those hands are Ed Shadid’s.”

Shadid defiant in face of potential divorce doc ruling | Red Dirt Report

[Bellaboo]

Sounds like they, Ed and his X-wife, could both be liars at this point.....We know for a fact Ed is an established liar, the verdict is out on his X, which could go either way.

What a mess.

[betts]

Either she was lying then or now or she has really poor judgement. We know he lies because he's still doing it. As I've said, as unsavory as all these details are, there are plenty of reasons not to vote for him had he been a perfect angel when married.

[soonerguru]

Either she was lying then or now or she has really poor judgement. We know he lies because he's still doing it. As I've said, as unsavory as all these details are, there are plenty of reasons not to vote for him had he been a perfect angel when married.

Agree. These new details didn't change my view of him. I didn't trust him to begin with.

[PhiAlpha]

On another note, that Red Dirt Report guy definitely reads this board. His facebook has a picture of the "Time Fades Away" Neil Young album cover that he posted on the same day as someone posted it in the Century Center thread. Accompanying the picture is an explanation similar to what was posted with it in the thread. No way that's just a coincidence.

So the question is, if he also posts here...which unabashed Ed supporter is he?

[soonerguru]

He should rename his publication Ed's Dirt Reporter.

[betts]

On another note, that Red Dirt Report guy definitely reads this board. His facebook has a picture of the "Time Fades Away" Neil Young album cover that he posted on the same day as someone posted it in the Century Center thread. Accompanying the picture is an explanation similar to what was posted with it in the thread. No way that's just a coincidence.

So the question is, if he also posts here...which unabashed Ed supporter is he?

Since there appear to be about 3 of them, it shouldn't be too hard to figure out.

[betts]

He should rename his publication Ed's Dirt Reporter.

Clever!

[Dennis Heaton]

Just for the sake of keeping it interesting, Mr. Shadid should hang in there, if he is a true Libertarian.

[mkjeeves]

I expect he will hang around and attempt to talk about the city. Mick will keep hiding under the bed and Mick's henchmen will keep flogging Ed's past.

Speaking of the RDR, as far as I can tell the most avid readers are Ed haters. You missed quoting from it today, so here's a bit from this morning:

Putting the "low" in "yellow journalism," The Oklahoman engages in unprecedented smear campaign

<snip>

And as a young reporter in the late 1990’s, many of my colleagues noted, at the time, how the influential Columbia Journalism Review revealed just how bad Oklahoma City’s only daily newspaper was, noting that “The Daily Oklahoman has become a newspaper in reverse, sucking intelligence from its readers.”

<snip>

Putting the "low" in "yellow journalism," The Oklahoman engages in unprecedented smear campaign | Red Dirt Report

[betts]

It's easy to criticize the DOK. It deflects attention from the issue, which is Ed's fitness to hold public office.

Why should Mick say anything? Ed is doing a great job of hanging himself.

But yellow journalism is sensationalistic "news" that has little basis in fact. I don't think we have data that documents that there is little or no basis in fact for what was published.

[mkjeeves]

On another note, that Red Dirt Report guy definitely reads this board. His facebook has a picture of the "Time Fades Away" Neil Young album cover that he posted on the same day as someone posted it in the Century Center thread. Accompanying the picture is an explanation similar to what was posted with it in the thread. No way that's just a coincidence.

So the question is, if he also posts here...which unabashed Ed supporter is he?

Since there appear to be about 3 of them, it shouldn't be too hard to figure out.

Inquiring minds want to know.

[Midtowner]

Just for the sake of keeping it interesting, Mr. Shadid should hang in there, if he is a true Libertarian.

Props to you for posting under your real name, but this sort of thing is just exactly the problem with Shadid supporters--a bunch of Johnny come latelies to politics in OKC. Are you aware that Shadid not too long ago, in 2010, Shadid was part of Ralph Nader's more-liberal-than-Democrat Green Party?

In Oklahoma, Dr. Edward Shadid announces historic bid for State House, Seeks Green Party endorsement | Green Party Watch

He may be a lot of things, but a libertarian he ain't. He's at the polar opposite of the political spectrum... or at least he was in 2010 when that's what he thought spoke to voters. If now, he's a "reformed" libertarian, that might be concerning as well.