Should Shadid drop out now?

[ljbab728]

Mick won't and doesn't need to... It will be something along the lines of "Citizens for..."

I don't expect that either. It would be a total waste of money and not needed.

[soonerguru]

I can agree with that! I just want to keep things in perspective and not get all bent out of shape about things we don't whether are true or not.

The stuff that we know is true is already enough. He lied to keep this secret. He said it was only about his pot addiction. BS. He also lied about his position on MAPS and other stuff, too, so there's that. The guy is anything but "transparent," though, so let's put that mythology to rest.

[Midtowner]

Good heavens, this guy is thoroughly screwed up. Decades of drug abuse?? And the comment about the kids?? Seriously?

How many people wish they'd never put him as their freakin' councilor now?

This is waaay beyond politics or the mayor's race. This guy has issues. Serious issues. And if someone wants to tell me he's 100% cured of everything, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell ya....

Someone needs to have a heart-to-heart with this guy and tell him to get out of this before the fiasco grows any larger. This debacle serves no one now.

The records also say he should have 50% parenting time with the kids. I'll trust the expert who evaluated this couple over a few unfortunate happenings in their past.

That said, focusing on what is actually relevant, i.e., his tenure as the Councilman of Ward 2, he should drop out of the race. He is not mayor material.

[hoya]

I wonder what Edgar thinks about this.

[catcherinthewry]

I read your "Christian" posts and they mean nothing to me anymore.

But I sure hate to see the "Christians" here act so judgmental and pure.

That is hilarious! Talk about being judgmental.

[betts]

Ultimately, voters are going to have to decide what is important to them. I thought Councilman Shadid was a poor choice for mayor long before any of this information came out. I think he is dishonest and manipulative, and that's based on behavior I've observed over the past two years, not something that happened before and during a divorce. I think he has grandiose goals, without workable plans for implementing them. I'm sure he wants to make amends for past behavior, but I don't think our city and its future owe him the right to make it and us the vehicle of his redemption.

Here are some problems with addiction, outlined by the National Institutes of Health. It's food for thought. Every person is different, but as a population, these are some facts about people who have suffered with addiction.:

"Addiction is a chronic, often relapsing brain disease that causes compulsive drug seeking and use, despite harmful consequences to the addicted individual and to those around him or her. Alt-hough the initial decision to take drugs is voluntary for most people, the brain changes that occur over time challenge an addicted person’s self control and hamper his or her ability to resist intense impulses to take drugs.

Similar to other chronic, relapsing diseases, such as diabetes, asthma, or heart disease, drug addiction can be managed successfully. And as with other chronic diseases, it is not uncommon for a person to relapse and begin abusing drugs again. Relapse, however, does not signal treatment failure—rather, it indicates that treatment should be reinstated or adjusted or that an alternative treatment is needed to help the individual regain control and recover.

Long-term abuse causes changes in other brain chemical systems and circuits as well. Glutamate is a neurotransmitter that influences the reward circuit and the ability to learn. When the optimal concentration of glutamate is altered by drug abuse, the brain attempts to compensate, which can impair cognitive function. Brain imaging studies of drug-addicted individuals show changes in areas of the brain that are critical to judgment, decision making, learning and memory, and behavior control."

DrugFacts: Understanding Drug Abuse and Addiction | National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA)

[Stew]

Eh, the oklahoman article did nothing to lower my opinion of Shadid and I doubt I'm alone on here in that. And yes he should drop out but that was true before all this. I almost feel sorry for the guy. Almost.

[Pete]

I have no dog in this race. If you follow my writings, I've written things that were unappreciated by both candidates. My question: do we know that all of these allegations are true? Divorces get ugly.

Exactly.

How many times are men accused of all kinds of things in divorce proceedings, including child molestation and the like?


People will say terrible things to try and discredit the other person, especially when custody issues are involved.

I've had several good friends who were accused of the most vile things imaginable by their now ex-wives, and of course none of it was substantiated or likely even remotely true.

The fact his ex-wife is so supportive of him now tells me that she must respect the man.


Ugh, I can't believe this race has come down to the sorrid details of a divorce proceeding.

[Pete]

I will also say this: I am a very clean-living person who has literally never even smoked pot, yet I would be mortified if a spurned and motivated ex was allowed to place into court proceedings and thus public record any and all wild, hurt-fueled accusations and opinions.

Absolutely no one would look good when cast in this light.


As an example, one of my best friends went through a very ugly divorce. His wife cheated on him and ultimately left, and continued the relationship with the new lover, even though he himself was married. They had two school-aged kids.

I knew both the man and wife very well in this situation, and considered her a close friend as well. And I happened to know for a fact my male friend was an absolutely fantastic father and husband, helping out around the house, leaving work early to pick the kids up from school, providing a beautiful home and unlimited spending money for his wife.

So, when she cheated, left and filed for divorce, I thought, "How on earth can she spin this? What is she telling her parents and friends?" You just knew she had to find the right way to save face.

And then the divorce proceedings began and it all came out: He was verbally abusive, had a terrible temper, paid her no attention... She feared for the children's safety due to his outbursts. (Nevermind they had never even had a heated argument in their 10-year marriage.)

She had to say something, so that's what she said. She certainly didn't need any proof or witnesses, but if you read their divorce proceedings it's all in there. He never said anything negative about her, other than she cheated which was completely true. She ended up marrying the new guy the DAY her alimony expired.


This is what happens when people divorce and I personally would not put stock into anything an ex-wife says in the heat of these battles.

[soonerguru]

Eh, the oklahoman article did nothing to lower my opinion of Shadid and I doubt I'm alone on here in that. And yes he should drop out but that was true before all this. I almost feel sorry for the guy. Almost.

The Oklahoman article?

[soonerguru]

I will also say this: I am a very clean-living person who has literally never even smoked pot, yet I would be mortified if a spurned and motivated ex was allowed to place into court proceedings and thus public record any and all wild, hurt-fueled accusations and opinions.

Absolutely no one would look good when cast in this light.


As an example, one of my best friends went through a very ugly divorce. His wife cheated on him and ultimately left, and continued the relationship with the new lover, even though he himself was married. They had two school-aged kids.

I knew both the man and wife very well in this situation, and considered her a close friend as well. And I happened to know for a fact my male friend was an absolutely fantastic father and husband, helping out around the house, leaving work early to pick the kids up from school, providing a beautiful home and unlimited spending money for his wife.

So, when she cheated, left and filed for divorce, I thought, "How on earth can she spin this? What is she telling her parents and friends?" You just knew she had to find the right way to save face.

And then the divorce proceedings began and it all came out: He was verbally abusive, had a terrible temper, paid her no attention... She feared for the children's safety due to his outbursts. (Nevermind they had never even had a heated argument in their 10-year marriage.)

She had to say something, so that's what she said. She certainly didn't need any proof or witnesses, but if you read their divorce proceedings it's all in there. He never said anything negative about her, other than she cheated which was completely true. She ended up marrying the new guy the DAY her alimony expired.


This is what happens when people divorce and I personally would not put stock into anything an ex-wife says in the heat of these battles.

Great points, but Shadid admitted to this stuff. So does that change your view here?

[LandRunOkie]

Its amazing how slanted the Oklahoman's coverage of the mayor's race has been and how unnoticed it has been on this board. Virtually no one is satisfied with city government in this city, yet most here are mesmerized with the opponent's personal life. I would remind you of Spitzer, the rock star New York Attorney General and Governor who was forced to step down in the midst of a prostitution scandal. He worked rabidly to fight corruption and better the lives of constituents, yet they stabbed him in the back when personal details emerged. Small minded people get small minded leadership.

[soonerguru]

Its amazing how slanted the Oklahoman's coverage of the mayor's race has been and how unnoticed it has been on this board. Virtually no one is satisfied with city government in this city, yet most here are mesmerized with the opponent's personal life. I would remind you of Spitzer, the rock star New York Attorney General and Governor who was forced to step down in the midst of a prostitution scandal. He worked rabidly to fight corruption and better the lives of constituents, yet they stabbed him in the back when personal details emerged. Small minded people get small minded leadership.

That is not true at all. The last citizen survey showed like 75% are happy with the city and the way it's being run, trash service, etc.

Fortunately, we don't have small-minded leadership here. I was a huge Spitzer fan, but he brought that on himself, as did Weiner. Not the standard I want as a Democrat. There are other smart people who won't anonymously post pictures of their genitalia on the Internet. And having lived in NYC, I can assure you the voters are quite educated and they wanted nothing to do with Wiener after his mea culpa and "time in the wilderness."

[Pete]

Great points, but Shadid admitted to this stuff. So does that change your view here?

For what I saw, he's admitted to using cocaine twice and being formerly addicted to pot, and that's already been discussed.


He hasn't responded to this information that was just released.

[soonerguru]

For what I saw, he's admitted to using cocaine twice and being formerly addicted to pot, and that's already been discussed.


He hasn't responded to this information that was just released.

Have you watched the link on FOX 25?

[soonerguru]

I did. They should have held off on reporting and gone the extra mile to attempt to get a response to the allegations. The bit about the male prostitute, watching porn in front of the kids... all reported with context of whether Shadid disputes those allegations or if his ex-wife (who appeared with him at his press conference) recants what she said.

I favor print (online) reports over broadcast reports anyway. Details are glossed over on TV, and context is rarely provided.

[Edgar]

What better way for a "faith based community" to prove it's credentials than endorse a man who has met his demons, vanquished them and is actively pursuing redemption by being a voice for OKC's much scorned least of us. Really, the plutocrats have had a great run. You all realize of course weed is legal in two states and on the way in many more. Be a long time in this righteous hick state, especially now with our dip speaker promoting private prisons as the way to go. We'll be that ratifier of change around 2050 probably. this redneck state needs many more like Dr Shadid in politics. If he wasn't such a conniving control freak you could almost feel sorry for Mick. He lost interest in the job right after the timeline vote, his work was finished, and planned to sail off and cash in some promised chits. Now he has an adult in the room asking the obvious questions.

[Plutonic Panda]

I don't know where it is and don't care. If you want to file perjury charges against someone for saying it exists when it doesn't that is always a possibility. I doubt very seriously that will happen because I don't think a lawyer would allow a client to make a statement like that without being able to back it up. In any case, I don't think the audio will be posted here for you to listen to.

You don't know where it is, exactly. That is all I need to know. Don't make a claim when there is nothing to back it up, done.

[betts]

Its amazing how slanted the Oklahoman's coverage of the mayor's race has been and how unnoticed it has been on this board. Virtually no one is satisfied with city government in this city, yet most here are mesmerized with the opponent's personal life. I would remind you of Spitzer, the rock star New York Attorney General and Governor who was forced to step down in the midst of a prostitution scandal. He worked rabidly to fight corruption and better the lives of constituents, yet they stabbed him in the back when personal details emerged. Small minded people get small minded leadership.

I'm reasonably satisfied with city government, although I think there's room for improvement. I'm very satisfied with the direction the city has been going. I've been very dissatisfied with Shadid's performance as a city councilman. I do not think he is a good person or an effective politician, even were he happily married with no skeletons in his closet. My political views are definitely to the left of center, so my views of him are not those of someone with a completely different political orientation. I support the legalization of marijuana. However, it is still illegal and I don't think our political leaders should be visible lawbreakers. That's why I think Anthony Spitzer did not belong in government, no matter how capable, especially as Attorney General who should, if anyone, follow the laws of the state. What kind of message does it send if our lawmakers are above the law?

And while I am sure people lie and exaggerate during divorce proceedings, his wife told people other than the judge some of this stuff. Regardless, it doesn't change my opinion of whether he should be mayor, because I think electing him would be a disaster for Oklahoma City.

[LandRunOkie]

That is not true at all. The last citizen survey showed like 75% are happy with the city and the way it's being run, trash service, etc.

I've been waiting for a link, or do expect me to take this as gospel? Even if you can prove it, my observation was about people on this board, who purport to have a deeper interest in city government and deeper dissatisfaction if they are to be believed.

And having lived in NYC, I can assure you the voters are quite educated and they wanted nothing to do with Wiener after his mea culpa and "time in the wilderness."

You changed the subject by bringing in Weiner. Spitzer fought for accountability and fought hard, which is what Shadid has done. The education level of people in NYC has nothing to do with it. They were small minded in pushing out Spitzer despite his work ethic and achievements and a similar dynamic is at play against Shadid.

[adaniel]

I've been waiting for a link, or do expect me to take this as gospel? Even if you can prove it, my observation was about people on this board, who purport to have a deeper interest in city government and deeper dissatisfaction if they are to be believed.

For your viewing pleasure

http://www.okc.gov/resources/okc2013...ort_july26.pdf

[warreng88]

I really hope he doesn't drop out. As much as I don't like his family being brought into it, he brought it upon himself. I hope he stays in long enough for his lies and his inability to work with people to be exposed enough where not only does he not win mayor, he doesn't even win his own Ward again in reelection next year.

[G.Walker]

Yes

Ed Shadid = Anti-Downtown

He would make a good mayor for the city of Edmond.

[Plutonic Panda]

Yes

Ed Shadid = Anti-Downtown

He would make a good mayor for the city of Edmond.

That's funny because it both ways. Never ceases to amaze nor amuse me how people on this site like to attack Edmond.

[Just the facts]

Not only is being Mayor a long shot at this point, he'll be lucky to finish his term on the council.