OKC Mayor Race 2014

[BrettM2]

I've thought Joe Blow was so angry about the election he beats his wife. Maybe I'll go one step more and follow that up by just saying Joe is a wife beater. Especially when Joe is saying things I don't agree with. I want to discredit everything I agree with by any means I can.

That seems to suit some Mick supporter sensibilities of behavior. There are laws you know.

Big difference between you thinking and the allegations coming out from his ex-wife.

[mkjeeves]

Big difference between you thinking and the allegations coming out from his ex-wife.

Joe Blow, the hypothetical poster on this forum we have decided to make crap up about. Like Soonerguru decided to post lies about.

It's not libel to say Ed used drugs or any of the other facts we know about him. He admitted he did.

[PennyQuilts]

Ugly, ugly, ugly.

[Of Sound Mind]

That seems to suit some Mick supporter sensibilities of behavior. There are laws you know, for when some people don't have ethics.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

[Rover]

Nm

[Midtowner]

I've thought Joe Blow was so angry about the election he beats his wife. Maybe I'll go one step more and follow that up by just saying Joe is a wife beater. Especially when Joe is saying things I don't agree with. I want to discredit everything I agree with by any means I can.

That seems to suit some Mick supporter sensibilities of behavior. There are laws you know, for when some people don't have ethics.

A supporter of Shadid's lecturing anyone about ethics after that last mailer is just.. well... a tad hypocritical. You can't run for LGBT rights and then attack your opponent for supporting LGBT rights at the same time. It's one or the other.

[betts]

I enjoyed Dr. Taco's blog though. I think it outlines some of the struggles people have choosing a candidate for whom to vote. And I do think it ironic that a lot of the young people voting for Ed seem to think OKC as it is today sprang full-blown from some Zeus-like creatures' head (sorry, bad mythology reference) and don't recognize precisely what people started the ball rolling. Or that the ball could stop rolling, potentially.

I really do think it's almost time for an Ed-like candidate here in OKC. Just not Ed. I'm waiting for a youngish, exciting, ethical, consistent, honest candidate who can address some of the issues a thriving, but not yet there, city needs. We need to get greener, we need to not just promote alternate forms of transit but get excited about them, need to get younger and more innovative yada yada.

But Mick is just fine for now. Good, really. I'm hoping that if he's elected, we establish an RTD soon and start talking about a small permanent tax for transit. I think that better transit will be the game changer for OKC, the final boost that starts getting us comparisons with other exciting cities on the rise.

[Tier2City]

A supporter of Shadid's lecturing anyone about ethics after that last mailer is just.. well... a tad hypocritical. You can't run for LGBT rights and then attack your opponent for supporting LGBT rights at the same time. It's one or the other.

That wasn't Shadid's ethics - just the ethics of the consultant he hired:

Posted by Ed Shadid for Okc 0. on February 28, 2014 · Flag
Today, I was blindsided by some of the language used in a mailer from my campaign. I did not authorize the language in the mailer and my campaign manager, who is a gay combat veteran, also gave specific instructions to the consultant who drafted the language that it not be used.

The focus of the message on today's mailer was to highlight Mick's duplicitous stance towards the LGBT community. While I have always been a fierce advocate for the LGBT community, Mick waivers from running on an anti-gay platform in multiple elections to accepting an endorsement this week from a handful of gay Oklahomans. While this language is regrettable, I will continue to relentlessly advocate for and point out injustices against every marginalized community in our city.

[soonerguru]

You and your cohorts committing libel on this forum. It doesn't get any more sleazy than that.

Cite: http://www.okctalk.com/general-civic...tml#post737485

Trolling..you repeatedly posted large bodies of text, large graphics and large fonts to spam up the forum when you don't agree with something posted.

Forgive me then. I must have been wrong in my assumption that you are not an undecided voter, and favor Ed Shadid. Oy vey. #confused

[Tier2City]

I really do think it's almost time for an Ed-like candidate here in OKC. Just not Ed.

Oh the Shakespearean tragedy! Think where we would have been without the hypocrisy, ego and paranoia. And think where we could have been with a demonstrated consensus builder who had tractable, realistic and costed policy proposals.

[Midtowner]

That wasn't Shadid's ethics - just the ethics of the consultant he hired:

Posted by Ed Shadid for Okc 0. on February 28, 2014 · Flag
Today, I was blindsided by some of the language used in a mailer from my campaign. I did not authorize the language in the mailer and my campaign manager, who is a gay combat veteran, also gave specific instructions to the consultant who drafted the language that it not be used.

The focus of the message on today's mailer was to highlight Mick's duplicitous stance towards the LGBT community. While I have always been a fierce advocate for the LGBT community, Mick waivers from running on an anti-gay platform in multiple elections to accepting an endorsement this week from a handful of gay Oklahomans. While this language is regrettable, I will continue to relentlessly advocate for and point out injustices against every marginalized community in our city.

After all of the lies and half-truths from the Shadid campaign, I'm not inclined to believe that. This happened on the Friday before election day. This happened this way because Shadid's campaign knew it was a sleazy mailer and didn't want to give the press (like the Gazette, which publishes on Wednesday) any time to address it. This is a common thing that doomed campaigns do on Fridays before election day.

Even if this is true, Ed needs to take responsibility. These are people he hired and if he has a policy of letting them mail things out without his approval, then that's on him.

[Midtowner]

You and your cohorts committing libel on this forum. It doesn't get any more sleazy than that.

Cite: http://www.okctalk.com/general-civic...tml#post737485

Trolling..you repeatedly posted large bodies of text, large graphics and large fonts to spam up the forum when you don't agree with something posted.

--seriously though, this is dumb. It's pretty tough to libel an anonymous person on the internet.

[warreng88]

I really did like Mick's response on Flashpoint as to why he wasn't debating. I don't have the direct quote in front of me but it was something like he said at the beginning of the race he would debate if things were kept civil and that didn't happen pretty quickly from the beginning. Why would he debate a person who has said so many lies about him that he has to spend the entire debate correcting the person making the claims.

[warreng88]

Here it is:

Kelly Ogle asks, "Why won't you debate Ed Shadid? Because that has been an issue during this campaign."

Mick responded, "Well, we were very clear up front that if the other candidates and their supporters would run a proactive, positive campaign that had some level of accuracy to their accusations or beliefs, that we would be glad to sit down and consider a debate. But as long as it was going to be based on so many mistruths, it just didn't seem to make sense to just sit there and be attacked on things that weren't even true or accurate. I think the voters have finally figured a lot of that out. We've stayed positive the entire campaign. When the campaign began, that was our goal, but we didn't know if we would be able to stay positive the whole way. And fortunately and eventually, I think the citizens out that a divisive campaign is not in Oklahoma City's best interests."

[Laramie]

Reminder

OUR CITY'S FUTURE IS AT STAKE.

Sample Ballot Link Below:

http://www.oklahomacounty.org/electi...ample02_18.pdf

Oklahoma City Mayoral Election

Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2014

Polls: Open Time: 7:00 am - Close 7:00 pm

We don't need to burden the taxpayers with a run-off election; this needs to be a slam dunk!

"Oklahoma City looks oh-so pretty... ...as I get my kicks on Route 66." --Nat King Cole.

[warreng88]

Just curious, how is it decided who is listed in what order on the ballot? It is not alphabetical by first or last name. Is it by when they signed up to run for mayor? Is it randon?

[mkjeeves]

--seriously though, this is dumb. It's pretty tough to libel an anonymous person on the internet.

Lot of dumb assumptions in this and your other post, along with your usual self puffery. There are people on this forum I'm not anonymous to. Second, lies are lies, hypocrisy is hypocrisy, and libel is libel. No surprise another Mick supporter would abandon ethics, attempt to trivialize that in favor of his political agenda.

The issue du jour that got us here was ill behaved Mick supporters. You fit right in.

[Jim Kyle]

Just got a robocall (which in this case is probably quite legal) purporting to be from an FOP representative, urging me to cast my vote for "the only candidate who supports public safety." Exactly what one would expect from the Teamsters Union in the days of Jimmy Hoffa, but I thought the police were supposed to remain studiously neutral, not support a person who has admitted to violation of a number of laws in the past...

[Midtowner]

Lot of dumb assumptions in this and your other post, along with your usual self puffery. There are people on this forum I'm not anonymous to. Second, lies are lies, hypocrisy is hypocrisy, and libel is libel. No surprise another Mick supporter would abandon ethics, attempt to trivialize that in favor of his political agenda.

The issue du jour that got us here was ill behaved Mick supporters. You fit right in.

Okay? And so the libelous language is that people are insinuating you're a Shadid supporter when really, you want to hold your nose and vote for Cornett?

“Libel is a false or malicious unprivileged publication by writing, printing, picture, or effigy or other fixed representation to the eye, which exposes any person to public hatred, contempt, ridicule or obloquy, or which tends to deprive him of public confidence, or to injure him in his occupation,....” 12 O.S.2011 § 1441. In an action for defamation, a private figure must prove (1) a false and defamatory statement of and concerning him or her, (2) an unprivileged publication to a third party, (3) fault amounting at least to negligence on the part of the publisher; and (4) either the actionability of the statement irrespective of special damage, that is, libel per se, or the existence of special damage, libel per quod. Restatement of Laws, Second, Torts 2d, § 558 (1977); White v. City of Del City, 2012 OK CIV APP 5, ¶ 21, 270 P.3d 205, 213–214; Springer v. Richardson Law Firm, 2010 OK CIV APP 72, ¶ 7, 239 P.3d 473, 475; Trice v. Burress, 2006 OK CIV APP 79, ¶ 10, 137 P.3d 1253, 1257. “It is well settled that ‘The language used must, however, be such that persons reading or hearing it will, in the light of surrounding circumstances, be able to understand that it refers to the person complaining, and it must have been so understood by at least one other person ...’ ” Layman v. Readers Digest Ass'n, 1965 OK 162, ¶ 16, 412 P.2d 192, 195. (Citations omitted.) That is *251 to say, “ ‘[i]n order to entitle one to maintain an action for an alleged defamatory statement, it must appear that he is the person with reference to whom the statement is made.’ ” Layman, 1965 OK 162, ¶ 21, 412 P.2d at 196. (Citation omitted.)

--Bates v. Cast, 316 P.3d 246, 2014 OK CIV APP 8

So again, tell me, o internet lawyer, how the implication that you might vote for Shadid is going to pass that test? I mean, based on all you've written here yourself, you should be suing yourself for defamation if that's the case... because you really sound like someone in Shadid's camp.

[Midtowner]

Just got a robocall (which in this case is probably quite legal) purporting to be from an FOP representative, urging me to cast my vote for "the only candidate who supports public safety." Exactly what one would expect from the Teamsters Union in the days of Jimmy Hoffa, but I thought the police were supposed to remain studiously neutral, not support a person who has admitted to violation of a number of laws in the past...

The FOP yanked its endorsement. I imagine the rank and file still by and large support Shadid because he's promised them things he doesn't have the power to deliver (or wouldn't as mayor). What public safety initiatives has he been a part of during his time in the Council?

[PennyQuilts]

Just curious, how is it decided who is listed in what order on the ballot? It is not alphabetical by first or last name. Is it by when they signed up to run for mayor? Is it randon?

I think the order is done by lot - I found something to that effect for 2010 but don't know if that has changed since then.

[jerrywall]

The FOP yanked its endorsement. I imagine the rank and file still by and large support Shadid because he's promised them things he doesn't have the power to deliver (or wouldn't as mayor). What public safety initiatives has he been a part of during his time in the Council?

Did they actually yank their endorsement?

[Midtowner]

Did they actually yank their endorsement?

FOP Pulls Shadid Support, Cites ?Recent disclosures? | The McCarville Report

“In light of recent disclosures made by Councilman Shadid to the Oklahoma Gazette in respect to his drug use, that was not made to our membership, the Executive Board has decided to not actively be involved in the campaign at this time. We will not take any further action or spend and more money, until the Membership has a chance to meet on Jan. 9th, to discuss the issue. I am going to speak to Councilman Shadid to see if will issue an explanation to our members and if I get that I will send it out at that time. The FOP still feels strongly that the next Mayor should prioritize increased police staffing, and we will continue to advocate aggressively for that position through the election and beyond.”

I did a Google search for FOP announcements re: Shadid after January 9th. Nada.

[flintysooner]

The endorsement is still on the website:
Endorsements - Fraternal Order of Police Lodge 123

Endorsements
Councilman Ed Shadid for Mayor

It is with great pride that the Fraternal Order of Police Lodge 123 endorses Councilman Ed Shadid for Oklahoma City Mayor.

On September 12, 2013 members of the lodge voted unanimously to support Shadid in his campaign. Public safety and crime is a major concern to the citizens who live in the Oklahoma City metro area. This endorsement reflects our belief that Ed Shadid best understands the difficult job faced by members of the law enforcement community.

[Teo9969]

So nervous…the only thing I have the power to do is vote for the right candidate, and I can't even do that :-(