OKC Mayor Race 2014

[Plutonic Panda]

Not as much as ES, no.

I don't know how much Mick Cornett has, but from what I have heard, he is pretty wealthy.

[warreng88]

I don't know how much Mick Cornett has, but from what I have heard, he is pretty wealthy.

I have not heard that and maybe it is because he doesn't come off that way to me.

And I am not trying to attack the guy for working hard and making money, but if you want to appeal more to the lower class (which is exactly what he wants to do) you might want to make yourself more of a man of the people. You can't talk about we need to help those less fortunate and have a house in Gaillardia, The Greens and a condo in the Founders tower (off the county assessor records if you are curious where I got the info).

[jerrywall]

Seriously, you're going to attack him for having money? He worked hard and made money that he deserves; don't like it, tough.

I read it as a statement of fact (IE - It affects his lower class appeal) rather than an attack.

There is plenty of stuff to critique ES on without attacking him for his money.

[Plutonic Panda]

I have not heard that and maybe it is because he doesn't come off that way to me.

And I am not trying to attack the guy for working hard and making money, but if you want to appeal more to the lower class (which is exactly what he wants to do) you might want to make yourself more of a man of the people. You can't talk about we need to help those less fortunate and have a house in Gaillardia, The Greens and a condo in the Founders tower (off the county assessor records if you are curious where I got the info).

Does Shadid live in Gallardia? I was not aware of that if so.

[warreng88]

Does Shadid live in Gallardia? I was not aware of that if so.

Yeah. You can look up all three of his properties on Oklahoma county assessor. It's pretty easy.

[Plutonic Panda]

Hmmm, never really bothered to look up where he lived, not that it matters to me anyways. To support the lower class doesn't mean you have to be part of it.

[OSUFan]

It's probably because he is a doctor and most doctors have that title. I don't support the guy for mayor, but these personal attacks on him are what really make me dislike Cornett's supporters as well.

I see what you are saying but I think this is in direct response to the campaign Shadid has run. Shadid's campaign has been made up mostly of personal attacks. Shadid has run a pretty negative campaign.

[mkjeeves]

Not so good press for Mick.

Candidates for Mayor debate, Mick Cornett declines invitation | Oklahoma City - OKC - KOCO.com

[jerrywall]

You can choose to lower yourself down with the pigs, or keep yourself clean. Mick made the right choice.

[zookeeper]

Does Shadid live in Gallardia? I was not aware of that if so.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought his three properties were the house in Gallardia for his wife and kids, and the other two - his clinic and his condo in Founders Tower. It should have nothing to do with anything, but Shadid makes megabucks with the kind of surgery he does. But unfortunately, with sincere apologies to other surgeons who think differently, he has the surgeon personality and temperament.

[Servicetech571]

[kevinpate]

Not so good press for Mick.

Candidates for Mayor debate, Mick Cornett declines invitation | Oklahoma City - OKC - KOCO.com

Having watched the clip, I don't think that report hurt the incumbent mayor in the slightest.

[betts]

It looks like it would be generous to say there were 100 people in that "packed house". Here are some articles that summarize that real research on debates.


Toronto SUN

Presidential debates are useless - The Bradley Scout

Presidential debates are pointless and counterproductive | Washington Times Communities

You Have My Permission to Ignore the Debates - Bloomberg

[jerrywall]

I'm not in the school that debates are bad... but I do know that who you debate, you equate to be at your level.

So the message here was clear. There are evidently 3 candidates now at the same level of potential and seriousness. Ed Shadid, Phil Hughes, and Joe Sarge Nelson. I wouldn't have normally lowered Ed down to their level, but he did the job himself.

[zookeeper]

Guys, this race may be closer than any of us think. Someone told me something today that is worrisome. I trust this person, have known them for almost 30 years. They told me that they have heard that the Shadid GOTV operation is being helped along by a consultant who has pulled off some major victories in several local races around the country. The worrisome part is that it apparently includes running the GOTV operation for Kshama Sawant in Seattle. This woman, quite bright actually, was expected to have NO chance against the incumbent on the Seattle City Council. She ran on an openly socialist platform. Here are the results. That was the last major election cycle (12-13) and this particular GOTV/grassroots specialist, is apparently working for Ed Shadid. Assume nothing. We have got to work on getting people interested enough to go vote for Mick. Drive them if you can. Get in Touch with Mick's campaign and tell them you want to be apart of their GOTV effort. Go back and read that story linked above. Google her name - she was given no chance. Well, guess what? Assume nothing. Mick for Mayor and we will have to work for it!

[betts]

That's a lot of money to spend for one vote on the city council when you've already got one. I suppose he can appoint people to subcommittees, etc., if he can get the other council members to approve them. But, if people are so passive that they won't vote, then they deserve whatever they get. I hate to say it, but at some point, you just have to say "You made your bed. Now lie in it." I've been working my butt off to inform people and get them to vote. But, I've also got a nice little hidey hole in Chicago lined up if this city isn't worth living in.

[soonerguru]

Guys, this race may be closer than any of us think. Someone told me something today that is worrisome. I trust this person, have known them for almost 30 years. They told me that they have heard that the Shadid GOTV operation is being helped along by a consultant who has pulled off some major victories in several local races around the country. The worrisome part is that it apparently includes running the GOTV operation for Kshama Sawant in Seattle. This woman, quite bright actually, was expected to have NO chance against the incumbent on the Seattle City Council. She ran on an openly socialist platform. Here are the results. That was the last major election cycle (12-13) and this particular GOTV/grassroots specialist, is apparently working for Ed Shadid. Assume nothing. We have got to work on getting people interested enough to go vote for Mick. Drive them if you can. Get in Touch with Mick's campaign and tell them you want to be apart of their GOTV effort. Go back and read that story linked above. Google her name - she was given no chance. Well, guess what? Assume nothing. Mick for Mayor and we will have to work for it!

Don't be paranoid. Unless there is a radical new turnout -- unprecedented in OKC history -- than Shadid has no path to victory. He is not performing well in polling I've heard about. His numbers haven't budged. He is talking to the same chorus over and over again -- a very enthusiastic base of voters no doubt. But he has failed to broaden his electoral base and Mick Cornett is one of the most -- if not the most -- popular elected officials in Oklahoma.

Don't take this the wrong way. Your central message is great: Don't be complacent. Make sure all of your friends vote.

[zookeeper]

Don't be paranoid. Unless there is a radical new turnout -- unprecedented in OKC history -- than Shadid has no path to victory. He is not performing well in polling I've heard about. His numbers haven't budged. He is talking to the same chorus over and over again -- a very enthusiastic base of voters no doubt. But he has failed to broaden his electoral base and Mick Cornett is one of the most -- if not the most -- popular elected officials in Oklahoma.

Don't take this the wrong way. Your central message is great: Don't be complacent. Make sure all of your friends vote.

By no means am I being paranoid. Polling for a municipal election - in any city of our size - is incredibly difficult. Many of these races are put over the top by literally a circle of family and friends that turned out - who never bothered voting before. How do you poll those people, that group, that hidden common denominator that propels upset elections?

The candidate I was talking about a couple of posts back...she had an incredible ground game (GOTV)...if you're familiar with Seattle politics at all you might know of the paper, "The Stranger" - it's a weekly that nailed it with this...

"Part of [the reason Sawant is winning in each day of counting after Election Day has] to do with demographics; younger voters tend to vote late and more lefty. Part of it has to do with hard work; Sawant's impressive grassroots campaign had a couple hundred volunteers calling voters and knocking on doors to get out her vote, while Conlin had little ground game at all. And part of it has to do with momentum; voter preferences shift over time, and her surprisingly strong campaign clearly moved support in Sawant's favor."

I love Mick's neighborhood headquarters idea - north and south. The problem is that I keep hearing people say they are trying to help but are met with lack of enthusiasm from the campaign. Not calling back, not responding to emails, that kind of thing. That's how you lose elections.

I'm not predicting an upset, I am only warning of one. It's truly not paranoia, I wasn't concerned until the person I spoke of in the earlier post told me that the same person that handled the GOTV for Sawant in Seattle is right here, in town, working for Ed Shadid. I'm just being honest - that worries me.

Edit....Ask Gary Marrs, Charlie Swinton, Brian Walters about over confidence.

[zookeeper]

That's a lot of money to spend for one vote on the city council when you've already got one. I suppose he can appoint people to subcommittees, etc., if he can get the other council members to approve them. But, if people are so passive that they won't vote, then they deserve whatever they get. I hate to say it, but at some point, you just have to say "You made your bed. Now lie in it." I've been working my butt off to inform people and get them to vote. But, I've also got a nice little hidey hole in Chicago lined up if this city isn't worth living in.

I would normally agree, betts. But remember, we're talking about the egomaniacal Ed Shadid. I see him him spending big money just for the platform, the visibility, the bully pulpit of the mayor's office (bringing new meaning to the term.) Whether he can actually do anything that betters the city takes a backseat. At least that's the Ed Shadid that we see now. Power, visibility, power, platform, as he goes to sleep reciting "Mayor Ed Shadid."

[betts]

I would normally agree, betts. But remember, we're talking about the egomaniacal Ed Shadid. I see him him spending big money just for the platform, the visibility, the bully pulpit of the mayor's office (bringing new meaning to the term.) Whether he can actually do anything that betters the city takes a backseat. At least that's the Ed Shadid that we see now. Power, visibility, power, platform, as he goes to sleep reciting "Mayor Ed Shadid."

I'm sure you're right. Were that the case I'll be sad I can't run for city council. Regardless of the outcome, I'm sure he will try to "pack the court" with his minions as seats become vacant.

[zookeeper]

Sorry, I don't mean to hog this thread tonight, but I just remembered Salt Lake City and Rocky Anderson's upset mayoral victory in 1998 or 1999. He ran as an open "Democratic Socialist" with the help of a big field and a killer GOTV operation. Maybe even more significant was his re-election in 2003. Yes, Salt Lake City had a socialist mayor for two terms!

Shadid is progressive, but Shadid is more what Ed wants to be, when he needs to be, wherever he needs to be, at any given moment in time. An ego like that with a lot of money is frightening. I can see scenarios where I might even support somebody that's progressive and has ideas and a platform that speaks to city needs, but that's NOT Ed Shadid.

[catch22]

I'm done talking about this after this post. It's wasted energy. I don't have any energy anymore from working my two jobs, and I don't want to spend what little I have left on trying to convince anyone and getting frustrated. It's clear those who want Ed elected, aren't going to change their opinions even if demonstrable, sourced, real facts and absolute truths are presented. It's a waste of time.

What isn't a waste of time is voting.

I'm going to vote next month and I hope a majority also vote for the person I am going to vote for.

[betts]

Actually, you're right catch22. No one is changing their vote at this point in time. If all the information out there about Shadid's past behavior, proof that he has lied to voters multiple times and gone back on his word, played dirty tricks on other members of the city council, bussed in little old ladies to try and change council votes....yada, yada, yada.....has not changed a single mind, what else could anyone say that would do so?

Which also proves without a shadow of a doubt the futility of a debate. If all this real, negative information about a candidate doesn't change anyone's mind, who is foolish enough to think 30 minutes of "debating" would do so? What a waste of time and energy that would be. But I agree, vote, and drag every last friend and relative you have to the polls.

[betts]

I'm going to post this here too - not that I think I'm changing minds, but rather to suggest that perhaps there's more drama than reality to some allegations.

I actually found some interesting data tonight. When you look at Forbes Magazine's 10 most dangerous cities of 2013 list and then look at their police officer numbers per capita, you find that all but 2(Oakland and Stockton) have significantly more officers per capita than we do, many almost double the number. This certainly suggests that numbers of officers may not significantly affect crime rates.

Law Enforcement Officers Per Capita for Cities, Local Departments

Detroit Again Tops List Of Most Dangerous Cities, As Crime Rate Dips - Forbes

[Plutonic Panda]

I still want to hear Dougs reasoning as to why he supports Ed..... Doug seems like a very intelligent, informed, and overall awesome person and he must have a good reason.