OKC Mayor Race 2014

[betts]

I'll watch the video. I tell the truth and say what I think, so if I agree with him I have no problem saying it. Thus, I have no idea why you would think I couldn't say the above with a straight face, especially if a bunch of what I said was said. If he has great data about Oklahoma City, understands MAPS and is using facts relative to the current economy, I'm interested.

[betts]

Cornett would probably charge for refreshments.

This is all you've got? Lame, Edgar, as usual.

[kevinpate]

I presume you mean a video of the talk held out at the hotel at eastern and reno on Thursday?
Would that be a video of the speaker who in a nutshell thinks any community building a convention centers is off their rocker a tad?
And would that speaker also be an author selling a book on the same topic?

Or might you be referring to some video with information that comes from a neutral source?
Yes, I jest. No one pitches neutral position videos these days.

Will OKC survive without a convention center? Sure, no issue about that from my corner of the prairie.

Did the folks who voted for MAPs 3 know their elected leaders would pitch a convention center in two phases, only one from MAPs 3, if the tax was approved? Sure, no issue about that from my corner of the prairie. If someone claims being confused, it's pretty much on that person. If folks like me with only curiosity in the game could tell it, when no one was trying to court my non-vote one way or the other, members of the voting public can scarcely claim a lack of knowledge.

Did the folks who voted for MAPs 3 know their elected leaders would entertain pitches about a new designated hotel for a new convention center, not to be perhaps subsidized, though if so, not from MAPs 3, but from some other unnamed source? Again, if someone claims being confused, it's pretty much on that person. If folks like me with only curiosity in the game could tell this was something to be decided at a later time, and not from the M3 dollars, when no one was trying to court my non-vote one way or the other, members of the voting public can scarcely claim a lack of knowledge unless they first acknowledge their own lack of interest.

The O M G attitudes of matters being hidden, of being hood winked, of being deceived, it all rings oh so hollow as bad political theater. But yeah, if I were this particular challenger, I'd probably want folks worked up over a false issue than have folks looking too closer at real issues like a lack of vision, a lack of a plan, and multiple questions of character and veracity.

It's all theater. bad theater at that. But theater none the less.

[OSUFan]

I presume you mean a video of the talk held out at the hotel at eastern and reno on Thursday?
Would that be a video of the speaker who in a nutshell thinks any community building a convention centers is off their rocker a tad?
And would that speaker also be an author selling a book on the same topic?

It is amazing how Shadid can rail against bias consultants and then treat Haywood Sanders like he is the opinion that matters. Sanders is as every bit as biased as all those consultants the Shadid people are screaming about.

[mkjeeves]

Less information is better. Got it. Better still if it only comes from one biased side, the Build Anything and Everything and They Will Come side.

[mkjeeves]

I'll watch the video. I tell the truth and say what I think, so if I agree with him I have no problem saying it. Thus, I have no idea why you would think I couldn't say the above with a straight face, especially if a bunch of what I said was said. If he has great data about Oklahoma City, understands MAPS and is using facts relative to the current economy, I'm interested.

Naw. You'll cherry pick it, assign intent not spoken and try to reframe the conversation into a Mick message. Time will tell.

[betts]

Are we reading the same posts, mkjeeves? If someone says consultants from both sides are biased, that means that person thinks "less information is better"? I'm not getting that when I read the post. I think it's almost impossible to remove bias, and that applies to you, me, Mr. Sanders and any other consultant. Your summations of other people's posts seem designed to distort what they said, which perhaps represents your bias.

[mkjeeves]

Everyone here has an open mind with just the correct amount of healthy skepticism for the material they haven't seen. That's obvious to a casual observer. No issue.

[Edgar]

I presume you mean a video of the talk held out at the hotel at eastern and reno on Thursday?
Would that be a video of the speaker who in a nutshell thinks any community building a convention centers is off their rocker a tad?
And would that speaker also be an author selling a book on the same topic?

Or might you be referring to some video with information that comes from a neutral source?
Yes, I jest. No one pitches neutral position videos these days.

Will OKC survive without a convention center? Sure, no issue about that from my corner of the prairie.

Did the folks who voted for MAPs 3 know their elected leaders would pitch a convention center in two phases, only one from MAPs 3, if the tax was approved? Sure, no issue about that from my corner of the prairie. If someone claims being confused, it's pretty much on that person. If folks like me with only curiosity in the game could tell it, when no one was trying to court my non-vote one way or the other, members of the voting public can scarcely claim a lack of knowledge.

Did the folks who voted for MAPs 3 know their elected leaders would entertain pitches about a new designated hotel for a new convention center, not to be perhaps subsidized, though if so, not from MAPs 3, but from some other unnamed source? Again, if someone claims being confused, it's pretty much on that person. If folks like me with only curiosity in the game could tell this was something to be decided at a later time, and not from the M3 dollars, when no one was trying to court my non-vote one way or the other, members of the voting public can scarcely claim a lack of knowledge unless they first acknowledge their own lack of interest.

The O M G attitudes of matters being hidden, of being hood winked, of being deceived, it all rings oh so hollow as bad political theater. But yeah, if I were this particular challenger, I'd probably want folks worked up over a false issue than have folks looking too closer at real issues like a lack of vision, a lack of a plan, and multiple questions of character and veracity.

It's all theater. bad theater at that. But theater none the less.

The bad theater was all the big windies coming out of the mayor's office. Guess it's the fault of anyone duped by Cornett's bs for being so gullible. You can't spin the stank out of the MAPSIII con.

[jerrywall]

I'm becoming more convince that Edgar is actually a MC plant, because he says more to benefit the Mayor and hurt Ed, each time he posts...

[Bellaboo]

Edgar,

The problem I have with you is that your nonsense has been dis proven over and over and over again. You come on here and spew crap.... kind of like Steve Hunt used too.

I've decided you're about as jacked up as Ed.......SMH

I admire the effort though....

[catch22]

And we've got another one !

And why would someone want to attend something the good doctor puts on ? You know he is dishonest which gives way to him having very little substance.

Ed's minions remind me of the little creatures off the Island of Doctor Moreau



ALL PRAISE THE GOOD DOCTOR FOR HE GIVES US LIFE

[Jeepnokc]

Ed's minions remind me of the little creatures off the Island of Doctor Moreau



ALL PRAISE THE GOOD DOCTOR FOR HE GIVES US LIFE

Oompa Loompa, do-ba-dee-doo,
I’ve got a perfect puzzle for you.
Oompa Loompa, do-ba-dee-dee,
If you are wise you’ll listen to me.

[Plutonic Panda]

So are the projected costs put out by Shadid's campaign.

That's what you do in politics. Everyone does it. You exaggerate numbers just a little bit to favor you points without completely lying to people. Mick will do it just as fast as Ed does. The difference is, Mick doesn't purposely try to mislead people and flat out lie hoping it will turn out in his favor. Mick is one the most honest politicians I've ever seen and without him, we would NOT have the Thunder or be where we are today.

All I am going to say is, I would support up to 600million dollars(after all said and done) to spend to build out this convention center. It needs to be built and the Cox Center torn down and divided up with the grid restored.

[betts]

It is amazing how Shadid can rail against bias consultants and then treat Haywood Sanders like he is the opinion that matters. Sanders is as every bit as biased as all those consultants the Shadid people are screaming about.

Now that I've read his papers I feel like I can definitively say that Sanders is biased. No surprise there. We all tend to ignore facts that don't support our thesis and focus on those that do. He is actually honest enough in what I read to admit that there are successful convention centers and hotels, but he doesn't generally tell you which ones or how many and he doesn't really use that information in his summation. He also suggests that the real reason behind convention centers is property holders downtown wanting to keep their property values high. There's certainly the suggestion in his writing that he thinks focusing on downtown is not good for a city. He didn't use the word plutocrat, but there's definitely a less than subtle anti-business bias. Again, looking at the theme of his work, there's no big surprise there.

He wrote a few articles with some basic data gathering and it has had the gratifying effect of making him the convention center guru. I suspect most of the journalists who quote him haven't read his articles or questioned his data so he's gotten to ride a wave of notoriety for the past 10-15 years. I wonder if Ed read them and applied the same exquisite scrutiny to them that he paid to the convention hotel consultant (who's presentation I still need to read). Most likely, there's hot air on both sides, as I have and will continue to maintain.

[Laramie]

Understand the importance of being afforded a 'say' in how we run our government.

Exercise your right to vote and use it. It's your right to vote; those who don't go to the polls, don't complain...

"Oklahoma City looks oh-so pretty... ... as I get my kicks on Route 66." --Nat King Cole.

[kevinpate]

... those who don't go to the polls, don't complain...
...

Unless of course one decides to run for mayor. Then acting like those who voted in the majority were clueless rubes is apparently considered mere campaign strategy

[soonerguru]

Unless of course one decides to run for mayor. Then acting like those who voted in the majority were clueless rubes is apparently considered mere campaign strategy

I think you've become my favorite poster on this board.

[Urban Pioneer]

The mayor did great past night on PBS. I was particularly thrilled that they used a current background nighttime shot for our city.

[Urban Pioneer]

You gotta watch this. It is Presidential quality.

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[CaptDave]

Did you go today? I went last year and enjoyed it quite a bit.

[soonerguru]

You gotta watch this. It is Presidential quality.

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Very impressive. How many times did he mention the importance of our unity? Of working together? Brilliant and compelling, and spoken with true passion. Nice to see that from the Mayor.

[betts]

You gotta watch this. It is Presidential quality.

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THIS is the calibre of leader Oklahoma City needs to move even farther ahead the next four years.

[ljbab728]

That speech should be required viewing for anyone who is going to vote in the upcoming election and I would be happy to let Ed put any speech of his choosing next to it for comparison.

[ljbab728]

No surprises here.

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