OKC Mayor Race 2014

[Midtowner]

Pretty sure the burying of info is what has El Shadid tilting at windmills.
Good ? Kevin, when are the debates? we don't want low info voters right?

Do we even have debates for municipal officials?

[warreng88]

Do we even have debates for municipal officials?

I am pretty sure Tulsa had a few debates for the Mayoral office.

[warreng88]

Pretty sure the burying of info is what has El Shadid tilting at windmills.
Good ? Kevin, when are the debates? we don't want low info voters right?

El Shadid? Is that his drug mule name?

[warreng88]

They also have a strong mayor form of government. Completely different.

Help me understand the difference.

[catch22]

OKC has weak-mayor. The mayor is merely a spokesperson, and 1 of 9 votes on council. He is more of a city-wide councilman.

Strong mayor means the mayor has ultimate authority on the approval/disapproval.

[hoya]

Remember that sheet you sign when you vote?

They keep those.

Did not realize that.

[warreng88]

Tulsa's Mayor is responsible for much, much more. Creating a budget, hiring and firing, negotiations, etc. A strong mayor has almost total administrative authority. Our mayor, in contrast, is largely ceremonial. Presides over meetings, sets agendas, does ceremonial duties like sign some documents (mostly resolutions), and some small admin work, usually related to boards and commissions. In that context, usually he nominates members to boards that are confirmed or denied by the council (no absolute authority as Ed wants some to believe).

The difference is night and day. Debates for a weak mayor would be pretty funny. "How would you handle agendas if you were mayor?"

Got it. Thanks for the clarification. Why does our mayor have different mayoral duties than Tulsa? I guess they are not the same across the board like I thought...

[kevinpate]

Edgar, given your preferred challenger' lack of municipal voting record, his beyond merely unimpressive explanation for same, his background, and how he has approached it, his attacks on MAPs after previously pitching it needs to go forward, not having any debates would have to be seen as an act of kindness to your choice more than anything else.

Like you though, I am not an OKC voter. Should the challenger or anyone want to kick his positions, odd representations and suitablility for office across a stage and back again, that's not a call for me to make. His handlers though should probably keep him as far from that idea as they can. I can not imagine it ending well for him.

[warreng88]

Usually a choice of the people during a vote as the city was growing. Obviously then, it varies in reasons why. I prefer a weak mayor, myself.

There are several different forms of municipal government. Aldermanic, Strong-Mayor-Council, Council-Manager, etc. Each one is bound by both different state statutes (Title 11 in Oklahoma) and local charter.

I'm 34 and I am a college graduate. I should probably know this stuff but I don't deal with it on a day to day basis like a lot of people. Thanks for the insite.

[betts]

Pretty sure the burying of info is what has El Shadid tilting at windmills.
Good ? Kevin, when are the debates? we don't want low info voters right?

What good is a debate, when you can't trust El Shadid to keep his word?

Show me what you'll do, candidate, don't tell me. Ed has shown me quite enough, thank you, and then some. Every single thing that has happened since his election strengthens my decision to vote for Mick.

[hoya]

I think it is telling that a lot of strong Democrats are planning to vote for Republican Mick.

Not that parties have as much to do with municipal elections as they do at higher levels, but it indicates a real problem with Shadid here.

[BrettM2]

Going to post this every page until he answers:

Edgar,

How do you reconcile Ed's lack of civic participation with his desire to undo what has passed a vote of city residents?

[CaptDave]

For clarification, the type of 'voting record' matters. Absentee voting forms, proof of identity, conflict of issue logs... all those usually have less than permanent periods.

Absentee voting records is an issue I have discovered - I voted in a couple elections while deployed and when I had an opportunity to look at my voting record, those votes were missing. Every other election I have voted in was listed but none of my absentee ballots. It verifies that absentee votes are likely not counted unless the election is close enough to be changed by those ballots.

[Snowman]

Tulsa's Mayor is responsible for much, much more. Creating a budget, hiring and firing, negotiations, etc. A strong mayor has almost total administrative authority. Our mayor, in contrast, is largely ceremonial. Presides over meetings, sets agendas, does ceremonial duties like sign some documents (mostly resolutions), and some small admin work, usually related to boards and commissions. In that context, usually he nominates members to boards that are confirmed or denied by the council (no absolute authority as Ed wants some to believe).

There has been several comment Ed has made that make me wonder if he knew the type of mayor system we have in place or if he was going to push to switch formats, since that is the only way he could back up some of his promises.

[Edgar]

Going to post this every page until he answers:

Edgar,

How do you reconcile Ed's lack of civic participation with his desire to undo what has passed a vote of city residents?

Cynicism about city politics, and like most everyone who voted on MAPSIII he was uninformed on the cc proposal and what a finanacial mistake it'll be for his hometown, leaving less to adress neglected core functons, police, fire, transport etc.

[LakeEffect]

Cynicism about city politics, and like most everyone who voted on MAPSIII he was uninformed on the cc proposal and what a finanacial mistake it'll be for his hometown, leaving less to adress neglected core functons, police, fire, transport etc.

So because he's a cynic he gets a free pass? And because he chose to be uninformed about Maps 3, he also gets a free pass?

[boscorama]

This Wednesday, noon, Ed is the featured guest at OCPAC.

[LakeEffect]

This Wednesday, noon, Ed is the featured guest at OCPAC.

That will be interesting.

[betts]

Knowing Ed, he will tell them he wants to stop the MAPS tax collection and hire more police and firemen. He'll leave out the end poverty, fix the educational system, build a bus system that will transport the poor and carless to the tune of tens of millions of dollars of O&M part. Will they be fooled? Have they been paying attention?

[Urban Pioneer]

not having any debates would have to be seen as an act of kindness

LOLZ... Hilarious. If I were Mayor Cornett, I would tell him to go over to corner and sit there and rot.

[kevinpate]

I've been to lots of OCPAC meetings. If he knows his crowd, he wont mention transit or government fixing poverty. It will all be about high taxes and corruption. And a heap of tin foil hat stuff.

I guess that means his campaign won't get involved with trying to buss folks in to attend this meeting?

[kevinpate]

Wonder how well received it would be if some of his most diehard transit fans showed up waving signs that say

Whadda We Want?
More Busses!
When do we want 'em?
Now!

[betts]

The fact that he's trying to suck up to OCPAC is further evidence that he is willing to deceive for votes. He'll leave out 75% of his stated campaign goals and hope they haven't been paying attention. Slimy at best, dishonest in actuality. Leopards don't change their spots.

[soonerguru]

Cynicism about city politics, and like most everyone who voted on MAPSIII he was uninformed on the cc proposal and what a finanacial mistake it'll be for his hometown, leaving less to adress neglected core functons, police, fire, transport etc.

Poor baby. Voting is really tough when you're smarter than everyone else. Oh wait.

[BrettM2]

Cynicism about city politics, and like most everyone who voted on MAPSIII he was uninformed on the cc proposal and what a finanacial mistake it'll be for his hometown, leaving less to adress neglected core functons, police, fire, transport etc.

Uh huh. Nice try.

I wasn't even an OKC resident and I knew that the CC might need a phase II and a hotel was a possibility. What does it say that a non-resident paid more attention than a man trying to be mayor?