OKC Mayor Race 2014

[Urban Pioneer]

It's about time to close this thread isn't it?

I rarely write such language. Sorry it offends you. I hope people can otherwise appreciate my sincerity when I do use it.

[Edgar]

The ads make since then if he was running to represent the district that elected church camp boy.

[betts]

Ten years ago Ed wasn't even bothering to vote. Nowadays, listening to him, you'd think the city had been floundering during that time, instead of having one of the more dynamic turnarounds I've seen happen in a city. So, a lot of things can change in ten years. If you're going to bring up an irrelevant campaign ad, lets talk about who didn't care enough to participate in even the simplest citizen involvement over that ten year period:

[Steve]

Goes to the point of Ok having a real image issue with tolerance of diversity. Humphreys had a conniption when he returned from vacation and saw gay pride banners flying.

As I recall, Gary Marrs had quite a problem with prejudice against gays among the fire union ranks during that same era....

[Steve]

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[David]

The ads make since then if he was running to represent the district that elected church camp boy.

Produce the link, Ed. I mean Edgar.

[soonerguru]

Ed(gar) fails to note that Mayor Mick Cornett voted for the non-discrimination resolution in city employment for gays, lesbians, bisexuals, and transgendered.

Unlike Ed, I pay attention to action, not words. Cornett's vote is in the public record. Proceed, counselor.

[Wambo36]

As I recall, Gary Marrs had quite a problem with prejudice against gays among the fire union ranks during that same era....

Specifically?

[Steve]

Specifically?

No, Marrs wasn't the one prejudiced against gays - it was the guys in uniform....Marrs was struggling with prejudice among the ranks.

[Prunepicker]

It's not a tax increase, it's a continuation of an existing tax...

It the tax was going to go down and it kept the tax it's still a tax
increase.

Thanks for the grown up insult. But that's what gets spewed when
one can't be civil.

[Plutonic Panda]

Put your head in the sand if you like, but for obvious reasons Ok has a real image problem in the area of tolerance of diversity.

Are you stupid or something? Never mind man, I'll see you back here after Cornett gets re-elected.

[josiahmdaniel]

on the diversity issue - I'll just mention two names: Kay Floyd and Al McAffrey. Both elected in the part of the city that Shadid claims gets to much attention to the detriment of the rest of the city. I just think it's a silly argument for Shadid to make. No doubt we can do better, but electing a guy who looks to aggregate green party and tea party voters for a winning coalition isn't exactly going to help the cause.

[PhiAlpha]

“What do you mean you weren’t in those meetings? It’s a $120 million investment, what do you mean you weren’t in those meetings?" A chat with mayoral candidate Dr. Ed Shadid (Part 2) | Red Dirt Report

My favorite quote from your link:

“The city with the highest influx of young people in the country is Denver and the urban circulator with the highest ridership in America is in Denver and it’s a bus,” Shadid said. “So the idea that young people aren’t going to ride a bus, that they’re only going to ride a streetcar, and therefore we need a higher form of transit, is wrong.”

Yeah he's right, it is a bus... that runs a fixed route down one single street the length of downtown. This refers to the 16th St. Pedestrian Mall buses that run in both directions, the length of 16th St., where no other types of vehicles are allowed. They have a fixed route set up in a way that could not be replicated in OKC as we have no pedestrian specific corridor like that and likely never will. So basically those buses he references are a street cars on rubber tires. There is also no way that a one street circulator could ever effectively cover our downtown. Shadid is an idiot.

[bradh]

I had thought the same thing, that he was probably referring to the 16th Street Mall bus. That's an incredible stretch to compare that to regular bus routes. It's also an incredibly heavy tourist district.

People I know who have moved and want to move to Denver, aren't doing so because of the 16th Street Mall bus.

[PhiAlpha]

I had thought the same thing, that he was probably referring to the 16th Street Mall bus. That's an incredible stretch to compare that to regular bus routes. It's also an incredibly heavy tourist district.

People I know who have moved and want to move to Denver, aren't doing so because of the 16th Street Mall bus.

Correct, it's great, but not a draw. I lived on 14th and Curtis and loved it and the mall, but I lived there because I worked there. "Mallride" has great ridership because it's free, has a fixed route, comes by every 5 - 10 minutes, and serves an incredibly heavy foot traffic area. It is definitely not a regular bus route... it's basically a street car. It does however connect to the regular bus route and the light rail like we want our street car to do eventually...and it works. I don't know if the bus system in Denver is good or not, outside of the Mallride the only other method of transit I and my college age group took was the light rail. From what I saw, Denver's basic bus service isn't any different than any other city.

[soonerguru]

What a counterproductive argument from krisb. The streetcar has been passed. If he and other Shadid campaign associates want to improve the bus service, why don't they just propose something to do so. Why they continue to wage rhetorical arguments at this point about the streetcar is beyond me. Why not move forward and shift the focus on how to improve bus service? Was Shadid lying when he said he's going to become a big streetcar supporter now that the route has been approved? What can we believe from these people? Ed, put on your big boy pants and come up with a solution instead of shooting spitballs from the peanut gallery.

[Edgar]

Are you stupid or something? Never mind man, I'll see you back here after Cornett gets re-elected.

Mick didn't beat the taco bell guy by much and he didn't even campaign.

[Wambo36]

No, Marrs wasn't the one prejudiced against gays - it was the guys in uniform....Marrs was struggling with prejudice among the ranks.

Oh, I understand what you're saying. I'm just wondering about the specifics. I was here for the entire time Marrs was chief and don't remember anything like that. Maybe you can jog my memory.

[PhiAlpha]

Mick didn't beat the taco bell guy by much and he didn't even campaign.

You just provided proof for why Mick's going to win in a landslide this time.

[Midtowner]

What a counterproductive argument from krisb. The streetcar has been passed. If he and other Shadid campaign associates want to improve the bus service, why don't they just propose something to do so. Why they continue to wage rhetorical arguments at this point about the streetcar is beyond me. Why not move forward and shift the focus on how to improve bus service? Was Shadid lying when he said he's going to become a big streetcar supporter now that the route has been approved? What can we believe from these people? Ed, put on your big boy pants and come up with a solution instead of shooting spitballs from the peanut gallery.

He's on the outside looking in right now. The real decisions are being handled by the adults and then presented to the Council as done deals. Shadid, because of his shenanigans isn't going to have much ability to have input on that practice. This is what happens when you totally alienate the majority.

[Just the facts]

Yeah he's right, it is a bus... that runs a fixed route down one single street the length of downtown. This refers to the 16th St. Pedestrian Mall buses that run in both directions, the length of 16th St., where no other types of vehicles are allowed. They have a fixed route set up in a way that could not be replicated in OKC as we have no pedestrian specific corridor like that and likely never will. So basically those buses he references are a street cars on rubber tires. There is also no way that a one street circulator could ever effectively cover our downtown. Shadid is an idiot.

It also stops at 3 light-rail stations.

[bradh]

It also stops at 3 light-rail stations.

It does, but it hasn't always. I believe for the longest it was just the Union Station that had a light rail stop on the Mallride. I could be wrong though.

Point is, we have to start somewhere, we can't snap our fingers and think electing a different mayor will give us Denver's transit system.

[Tier2City]

What a counterproductive argument from krisb. The streetcar has been passed. If he and other Shadid campaign associates want to improve the bus service, why don't they just propose something to do so. Why they continue to wage rhetorical arguments at this point about the streetcar is beyond me. Why not move forward and shift the focus on how to improve bus service?

He would rather just sound the dog whistle for his base.

[Garin]

I wouldn't vote for anyone that wears skinny jeans.

[RadicalModerate]

Only an idiot with half a brain would or wouldn't prefer a sportscaster to a doctor for mayor.
No offense to morons intended or implied here.
(not that it matters: they wouldn't get the insult or the praise)