OKC Mayor Race 2014

[soonerguru]

Just so I understand, why were the children wearing shirts saying Pen-s and Vagi-a?

[betts]

He's using Twitter to share ideas and best practices and to promote his platform and campaign. What else would you expect?

I too could search the Internet for stories and tweet the links. He throws in stories from the Gazette and some weird random Thunder stuff too (Is he a season ticket holder or regular game attendee because I looked back at his tweets all last year and there was not one on the Thunder). Tell Speno his Thunder tweets are cheesy and unconvincing, especially considering how hard David Glover worked against the MAPS arena. No original ideas that I've seen either.

[OSUFan]

Ed's coalition is super odd. How Ed can be so pro-Thunder but have David Glover heavily involved is strange. Ed's people are the same ones who fought tooth and nail against the arena vote, they want to kill MAPs yet they seem to like the end results of all this stuff (the Thunder). I just don't get it.

[kevinpate]

Ed's coalition is super odd. How Ed can be so pro-Thunder but have David Glover heavily involved is strange. Ed's people are the same ones who fought tooth and nail against the arena vote, they want to kill MAPs yet they seem to like the end results of all this stuff (the Thunder). I just don't get it.

What's hard to understand. If that campaign can capture most all of the anti-maps sentiment generated in the past, then the campaign basically needs a few dewey eyed moon calves swept up in charisma, a few why does DT get everything (it doesn't but that's not their mindset) folk, a few I don't like big money controlling my city folk (ignoring that the candidate isn't joe everyman, see charisma above) and some other my issue fits that group better than the existing politico group, e.g., a combined decent size chunk of the low hanging fruit off the voter tree, and there's a horse race on, especially if there is a fair sized segment of don't normally bother to vote, but this guy's different charisma voters..

Anyone discounting the challenger's campaign at this point is doing so at the peril of the incumbent, and more importantly (at least in the mind of this outsider) to the peril of the progress made since Norick took a stand for the city. People are mad at government on many levels, and the low hanging fruit and first time voters can have a habit of taking it out on the first establishment target available.

This challenger's campaign isn't that of a ticked off fast food employee. It has, and will continue, to capture the hearts and minds of a lot of folks. The incumbent needs to run his race like he is running against someone formidable. I believe he is, and I do not believe the streetcar vote has crippled the challenger in any significant manner.

*just the ramblings of a non city observer, heed, discount or ignore as you may desire.

[sroberts24]

He did get the FOP endorsement but I am aware of a ton of officers that are not a fan and will be voting for Mick... My wife being one of them!

[Edgar]

What's hard to understand. If that campaign can capture most all of the anti-maps sentiment generated in the past, then the campaign basically needs a few dewey eyed moon calves swept up in charisma, a few why does DT get everything (it doesn't but that's not their mindset) folk, a few I don't like big money controlling my city folk (ignoring that the candidate isn't joe everyman, see charisma above) and some other my issue fits that group better than the existing politico group, e.g., a combined decent size chunk of the low hanging fruit off the voter tree, and there's a horse race on, especially if there is a fair sized segment of don't normally bother to vote, but this guy's different charisma voters..

Anyone discounting the challenger's campaign at this point is doing so at the peril of the incumbent, and more importantly (at least in the mind of this outsider) to the peril of the progress made since Norick took a stand for the city. People are mad at government on many levels, and the low hanging fruit and first time voters can have a habit of taking it out on the first establishment target available.

This challenger's campaign isn't that of a ticked off fast food employee. It has, and will continue, to capture the hearts and minds of a lot of folks. The incumbent needs to run his race like he is running against someone formidable. I believe he is, and I do not believe the streetcar vote has crippled the challenger in any significant manner.
*just the ramblings of a non city observer, heed, discount or ignore as you may desire.

If by charisma you mean actually cares about the concerns of actual ave citizens, and actually listens

[OSUFan]

Edgar, what is one instance of Shadid getting input from citizens and then finding away to implement those changes to city government?

[jerrywall]

It's always easy for rabble-rousers and community activists to find drones to support them. Running against stuff is an easy way to get signatures, but a lousy way to get elected. Folks petition AGAINST things, they vote FOR things.

[Edgar]

Edgar, what is one instance of Shadid getting input from citizens and then finding away to implement those changes to city government?

Improving public transport. Mick once said everyone in OKC has at least one car and famously walked out of chambers rather than hear the pleas of disabled riders not to kill lines they depend on, and to not begin charging for transfers, all falling on deaf ears of course. OKC spent stim$ intended to improve public transport on those stupid Canadian River cruises, say no more.

[Bellaboo]

Improving public transport. Mick once said everyone in OKC has at least one car and famously walked out of chambers rather than hear the pleas of disabled riders not to kill lines they depend on, and to not begin charging for transfers, all falling on deaf ears of course. OKC spent stim$ intended to improve public transport on those stupid Canadian River cruises, say no more.

From FAQ-

'In July of 2007, Devon Energy purchased naming rights for the Oklahoma River Transit System, Oklahoma River Cruises, for $2 Million. The funds were used to acquire the three river cruisers and place them into service.'

Not saying additional grants or city money wasn't involved, but Devon paid a fair chunk of change for these boats.

Edgar, are you mad because Tulsa doesn't have river cruisers ?

[bradh]

Not to offend those who depend on bus service, but nicer bus stops don't make a city a top flight. So far that's all I know Ed has championed. I know what Mick has done. Ed's got a long way to go.

[Bellaboo]

Not to offend those who depend on bus service, but nicer bus stops don't make a city a top flight. So far that's all I know Ed has championed. I know what Mick has done. Ed's got a long way to go.

Mick has helped build mountains, Ed is trying to tear them down. If people are so naive to believe otherwise, then it's on them.

[warreng88]

OKC spent stim$ intended to improve public transport on those stupid Canadian River cruises, say no more.

Remember this whole conversation?

Norman and Tulsa bought clean new cng rides with the same stim $.

link? the riverboats were a federal tiger grant if i recall correctly ..... OKC has gotten federal money for transit and for buses several times in the last 10 years

$1.8 Million in Stimulus Funds for Oklahoma River Cruises - WNOW HTML Title Tag - Online Testing

From the article, it looks like the decision to spend the money on the river boat cruises was COPTA's decision, not the Mayor's. "First, COTPA decided it wanted to use federal stimulus money for the maintenance."

"Next, COTPA had to go before ACOG, the Association of Central Oklahoma Governments for approval. The policy board at ACOG, made up of local government officials, had to give it the OK." Mayor Mick Cornett is not on that policy Board.

Finally, not sure if you saw this at the very bottom:

"Scroggins also pointed out, the FTA money for the ferry service is designated for ferry services in the United States. So, if it didn't go to Oklahoma, it would've gone to another state, instead."

ACOG requested the money, the Feds approved it....has ZERO to do with Mayor Mick Cornett.

Get it straight before you post, this kind of posting makes you look like an idiot.

The point is you provided a link to an article when asked to and it did not prove your point, it in fact proved you wrong. The Mayor had nothing to do with that decision. If you are going to blame anyone, blame COPTA.

never said Mick made the call on the river cruises boondoggle just that it epitomized the intereset of those calling the shots in OKC. Progressive towns Tulsa and Norman applied for stim funds to improve actual transportation not someone's fantasy.

It is page 30 and 31 of this thread if you need a refresher: http://www.okctalk.com/general-civic...2014-a-30.html

[David]

I believe the phrase the young folks use is "owned"?

[kevinpate]

If by charisma you mean actually cares about the concerns of actual ave citizens, and actually listens

Nope, by charisma, I mean it in its normal everyday use. I fail to grasp the frequently seen on this board practice of folks wanting to define words away from their everyday meanings. It's so unnecessary.

One can ooze charisma from every pore and and have great ideas,
or ooze it and have really cruddy ideas,
or ooze it and have downright dangerous ideas,
or even no original ideas at all, only platitudes and sound bites.

Sheesh, if you disagree, then disagree. No need to redefine the term completely.

As I said, if that campaign can capture most aginners and low level thinkers, that's a fair segment of the available votes and more than the beginning of a horse race.
My point was the challenger doesn't need to covert an army of voters to his way of thinking. He needs a small percentage of true believers to help bring out the aginners.

If he was someone that was clearly setting out innovative ideas that made folks slap their foreheads and wonder how they didn't ever see it before, he'd be a favorite to win.
I don't see that from the candidate or his followers as yet, and likely won't, but from the outside looking in, I see enough to know it would be a major mistake for the incumbent to not prep and run a full out campaign. To do otherwise would be to Romney their race.

[Edgar]

A Mayor Shadid would have agitated to use stim funds to improve actual transportation in OKC. Mick no doubt thought Canadian River cruises a keen idea that would have folks flocking to downtown and couldn't wait to launch.

[warreng88]

A Mayor Shadid would have agitated to use stim funds to improve actual transportation in OKC. Mick no doubt thought Canadian River cruises a keen idea that would have folks flocking to downtown and couldn't wait to launch.

I am not sure if you have a reading comprehension problem or if you are just not willing to admit that you are wrong.

Here is the link that you posted: WNOW HTML Title Tag - OnlineTesting Tarek frontend - $1.8 Million in Stimulus Funds for Oklahoma River Cruises

Here is the last paragraph of that link: "Scroggins also pointed out, the FTA money for the ferry service is designated for ferry services in the United States. So, if it didn't go to Oklahoma, it would've gone to another state, instead."

Let me know if you have any problem understanding that. It is basically saying the money couldn't be used for anything else but ferry services.

[PhiAlpha]

A Mayor Shadid would have agitated to use stim funds to improve actual transportation in OKC. Mick no doubt thought Canadian River cruises a keen idea that would have folks flocking to downtown and couldn't wait to launch.

Do you read anything other people post before running your apparently ignorant mouth?

Scroggins also pointed out, the FTA money for the ferry service is designated for ferry services in the United States. So, if it didn't go to Oklahoma, it would've gone to another state, instead."

It's really convenient to ignore whatever you want to prove a point in a discussion but when it's written right in front of you and everyone else that reads this...it makes you appear pretty dense.

[Midtowner]

If by charisma you mean actually cares about the concerns of actual ave citizens, and actually listens

Considering the schizophrenic collection of anti-Mick constituencies he's cobbled together, I have no doubt he listens to everyone.

He then proceeds to promise them things and tell them what they want to hear. When he was running for Ward 2, he was pro-MAPS. Now more recently, he tried to torpedo the first MAPS III project.

[kevinpate]

A Mayor Shadid would have agitated to use stim funds to improve actual transportation in OKC. Mick no doubt thought Canadian River cruises a keen idea that would have folks flocking to downtown and couldn't wait to launch.

Ok, wait a second. Does your candidate know what you are saying about him?

A huge chunk of the river ferry funds were restricted for ferry use only, as your own article noted.

Another huge swath of funds were private funds paid in for naming rights.

Is it your position that your candidate would agitate to use restricted funds in a non-permissible way? Is it further your position your candidate would agitate to take the funds paid for naming rights on one project, then shelve the project and use those funds for a completely different purpose?

[betts]

Ed's not pro-Thunder any more than he was pro-MAPS during the city council race. He will embrace anything he thinks will get him votes. Today he was tweeting that if we had more police, we could eliminate some hit and run accidents. Seriously????? And does he really care about having more policemen and firemen? How could anyone really know?

[Urban Pioneer]

You can't make this stuff up:



The Okie » Update: Shadid, Atheist Group, Delete Tweets

Sooner, you mean this??? Has anyone explained what the p+nis and vag+na pictures mean? WHAT DO THEY MEAN!???

Is this what Krisb meant when he was talking about "best practices" on Twitter?

[jerrywall]

Ok, wait a second. Does your candidate know what you are saying about him?

A huge chunk of the river ferry funds were restricted for ferry use only, as your own article noted.

Another huge swath of funds were private funds paid in for naming rights.

Is it your position that your candidate would agitate to use restricted funds in a non-permissible way? Is it further your position your candidate would agitate to take the funds paid for naming rights on one project, then shelve the project and use those funds for a completely different purpose?

You heard it here first folks. The biggest Ed Shadid supporter on OKCTALK is maintaining that Ed would misappropriate funds and use them in an illegal and restricted manner, if given the chance.

This type of honestly in a politician is rare and unexpected.

[Plutonic Panda]

You can't make this stuff up:



The Okie » Update: Shadid, Atheist Group, Delete Tweets

that is nothing but a cheap shot.... For Christ sake ma, if you're going to hate on Ed, have reason to do it and back it up legitimately.

[Urban Pioneer]

Huh??? Nobody has explained this. How is this a "cheap shot"?