OG&E Tower

[Plutonic Panda]

Sorry for getting upset. I wont say sorry for coming off as upset because I really was upset. Yeah, space and physics is my hobby. Has been for a long time. I don't like misinformation spreading especially the fear mongering kind when it comes to space weather. There are a lot of things we should be reading and caring about but this, not as much.

Stick around the rest of the day. I owe you a friendly reply somewhere on the forum.

I think that was meant for Zookeeper lol. But, I'll take that friendly reply if Zookeeper doesn't want it

[Plutonic Panda]

Yes. The worst in more modern (electronic era) was in Canada, March, 1989. It knocked power offline for a whole 9 hours. Our ice storms in Oklahoma put X-class CME's to shame.

Again, "the worst" could happen. It always can. But there is a big difference in a miniscule chance (almost none in our lifetime) and that headline and article.

Was that responsible for the outage in NYC during the 80's? I couldn't remember what caused that blackout.

[PhiAlpha]

Yes. The worst in more modern (electronic era) was in Canada, March, 1989. It knocked power offline for a whole 9 hours. Our ice storms in Oklahoma put X-class CME's to shame.

Again, "the worst" could happen. It always can. But there is a big difference in a miniscule chance (almost none in our lifetime) and that headline and article.

But it could happen TOMORROW!

At least that's what the discovery channel tried to sell with there mega disaster series a few years ago.

[BillyOcean]

Someone remove the last 12 posts (13 if you want to include mine) as it is completely irrelevant to the subject at hand and a waste of time to read.

[Spartan]

Agreed. Rainey Williams is probably reading this thread.

[ourulz2000]

I am to lazy to read the past 13 pages. Are we getting a 20+ story skyscraper or not?

[hoya]

At least.

[Platemaker]

*posted elsewhere

[architect5311]

I wish Rainey Williams would just commit to something like this...

Maybe he has?

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[Praedura]

Ok folks... the announcement for the new tower was made a week ago, and Rainey Williams said that more details would be revealed within 90 days.

90 days hence would be Thursday, October 24th. So... I have created a countdown for this:

Generic Calendar/Clock - Countdown to Oct 24, 2013 in Oklahoma City

82 days 12 hours etc.

Actually, the hours are probably wrong on that, as I wasn't trying to be super precise. But hopefully that never becomes an issue -- i.e. we find out the goodies before 90 days have passed.

[architect5311]

Fixed link...

ENERGY TOWER at City Center - Offices in midland, Texas | Colliers International

[Pete]

That would be one super-skinny building with only about 10,000 sq. ft. per floor.

It won't even house 600,000 sf in 58 floors, where Devon has 1.8 million sf in 50 floors; that does include the Garden Wing but still still, that's a huge difference.

[Plutonic Panda]

Aside from the horrendous setback, that building is stunning.

I wouldn't mind the setback as much if the building was bigger as in "fatter" having a wider mass, as Pete stated. If placed right on the core of DT, then I agree keeping it pushed up tot the street, but if the building were as wide as Devon, this would be awesome for somewhere in C2S

[Kokopelli]

Pete, were you only counting the office space?

It looks like that with the hotel and residences it would have 1.02 m sq ft.


•564,000 square feet of Class A office space with sky lobby
•226,653 square feet for a 198-room, luxury hotel, with spas, world class gymnasium, sky pool, sky lounge and business centers
•230,460 square feet of branded residences, with full hotel amenities

[workman45]

nm

[Spartan]

I wouldn't mind the setback as much if the building was bigger as in "fatter" having a wider mass, as Pete stated. If placed right on the core of DT, then I agree keeping it pushed up tot the street, but if the building were as wide as Devon, this would be awesome for somewhere in C2S

I dont think a setback would be a long term benefit to OKC.

[Plutonic Panda]

I dont think a setback would be a long term benefit to OKC.

even if it is out of the core area? More like along the new I40 somewhere in the C2S area. If the building were wider and the set back was cut in half, I wouldn't see a problem with it.

[Just the facts]

This grand project will define Midland, its leaders and the people of this city for decades to come, revitalizing the heart of downtown Midland into a thriving office, hotel, residence, retail and entertainment center

If they think a building removed from the streetscape, with underground retail, and a 3,000 car attached parking garage is going to accomplish that all I can say is good luck.

[Spartan]

Well the problem they're going to face is that Midland will still always be Midland, even with a project like that.

even if it is out of the core area? More like along the new I40 somewhere in the C2S area. If the building were wider and the set back was cut in half, I wouldn't see a problem with it.

What you are describing still sounds like a suburban monolith in the urban core...

[architect5311]

That would be one super-skinny building with only about 10,000 sq. ft. per floor.

It won't even house 600,000 sf in 58 floors, where Devon has 1.8 million sf in 50 floors; that does include the Garden Wing but still still, that's a huge difference.

Tower at 990,000+ SF equals around 18,000 sf per floor...

In general I like the mixed use concept for the tower, not necessarily the the below grade retail and extensive plaza and lanscape.

The mixed use would add some floors to what I hope is not a 20 story building.

[Pete]

Tower at 990,000+ SF equals around 18,000 sf per floor...

In general I like the mixed use concept for the tower, not necessarily the the below grade retail and extensive plaza and lanscape.

The mixed use would add some floors to what I hope is not a 20 story building.

Yes, sorry I just was using the office space numbers, not looking at the other uses.

Still, at 19,000 sf per floor (per their website) it's a pretty skinny building, especially for that height.

[mugofbeer]

Think of the sway on those upper floors in Midland wind!

[bluedogok]

Well the problem they're going to face is that Midland will still always be Midland, even with a project like that.

I have been thinking about going into a development down there because it is an absolutely hot market. I talked to a few people down there about some different opportunities, nothing like this but development nonetheless. Everything is expensive down there right now and there has been a lack of development since the 80's oil bust. Since we were down there the bulk of June while my father-in-law was in the Midland hospital (with a very nice new addition) and subsequent funeral we got to see a lot of what is going on first hand. Even in my wife's hometown of Monahans there is new stuff going up.

Yes, sorry I just was using the office space numbers, not looking at the other uses.

Still, at 19,000 sf per floor (per their website) it's a pretty skinny building, especially for that height.

Per the PDF file of the test fit drawings the floor plates are around 22,000 sf.

The shape might help with some of the wind deflection and help reduce some sway. I know the 2001 Bryan Tower building that I worked in Downtown Dallas you could hear the slip connections creak on the 27th floor of a 40 story building but it was a wide rectangle instead of a parallelogram like this building.

[metro]

Well the problem they're going to face is that Midland will still always be Midland, even with a project like that.



What you are describing still sounds like a suburban monolith in the urban core...

If population growth continues exponentially, it's possible even Midland may become a large metro area. There are plenty of large metro's in the desert, see Phoenix or many Middle Eastern cities.

[Spartan]

I guess Midland becoming big would make more sense than Phoenix...