Will Rogers Development Discussion 2011

[Oil Capital]

^A few years back OKC did a 20-year masterplan, and if needed (highly doubtful like venture said), the third parallel runway will actually go west of the current west runway, 17R-35L, and south of the crosswind, 13-31. In that configuration it would allow for simultaneous ops.

Key features:


3 Parallel Runways (New runway built west of 17R/35L, 17R/35L will become 17C/35C)

East and South Concourses Built making a T-shaped terminal

17L/35R and current 17R/35L will be extended from 9,802ft to 12,000ft, will maintain 150ft width

Current 13/31 extended to 10,000ft

Property east of Portland Ave. is marked as Aviation use.

Taxiways H1, G, and H2 are currently being extended to the fence of Portland Ave. for the above listed use

Property west of the new west runway and south of the FAA center marked for aviation use

Terminal Ramp extended to account for new South pointing concourse

[venture]

^A few years back OKC did a 20-year masterplan, and if needed (highly doubtful like venture said), the third parallel runway will actually go west of the current west runway, 17R-35L, and south of the crosswind, 13-31. In that configuration it would allow for simultaneous ops.

Yes, there is plenty of room for that on the west side. It would have to be shorter than the other two main runways unless the south end of the runway was much closer to 104th street. It's certainly doable though.

Not a lot of room west...unless it is really off set to the south. You'll probably have to relocate the FTC to a new location if you want to space it west far enough to allow simultaneous ops on it and the existing 17R-35L. Though I guess you could easily just use one for departures and another for arrivals...however it is pointless at this point.

Key features:
3 Parallel Runways (New runway built west of 17R/35L, 17R/35L will become 17C/35C)
East and South Concourses Built making a T-shaped terminal
17L/35R and current 17R/35L will be extended from 9,802ft to 12,000ft, will maintain 150ft width
Current 13/31 extended to 10,000ft
Property east of Portland Ave. is marked as Aviation use.
Taxiways H1, G, and H2 are currently being extended to the fence of Portland Ave. for the above listed use
Property west of the new west runway and south of the FAA center marked for aviation use
Terminal Ramp extended to account for new South pointing concourse

Out of all of these, the extending of the north-south pair is the only thing that really shows any potential to happen. I guess extending 13/31 does as well. I am kind of shocked the aren't already at least 10,600-12,000 feet due to hot weather ops in the summer. Of course it is a 20 year plan and things could pick up locally for airport use. However, I don't see any purpose behind adding a 4th runway capable of handling larger aircraft when we are no where near capacity now. Also take into consideration how airports like San Diego function on only 1 runway - with over 80,000 departures last year compared to our 26,000. Our weather usually isn't all that bad here most of the time, so it isn't like we are dealing with delay issues like SFO and their fog.

Plenty of room now though to that the north/south pair to 12,000 feet without really impacting SW 104th.

[catch22]

The master plan allows plenty of room for the 3rd runway to sit SW of 17R/35L. The new 17R threshold would be at Taxiway G, the runway would be around 8,500 feet and would run to about 1,000 feet from 104th Street. There is plenty of room without moving anything.

[venture]

The master plan allows plenty of room for the 3rd runway to sit SW of 17R/35L. The new 17R threshold would be at Taxiway G, the runway would be around 8,500 feet and would run to about 1,000 feet from 104th Street. There is plenty of room without moving anything.

Alright. That would make sense then. Likely to never happen unless something unexpected happens.

[ljbab728]

Alright. That would make sense then. Likely to never happen unless something unexpected happens.

You're right, venture. The airport has absolutely no need at this point for an additional runway and I can't imagine how many years it might be before that could change. How often has anyone ever been delayed here because of traffic congestion on the runways?

[venture]

You're right, venture. The airport has absolutely no need at this point for an additional runway and I can't imagine how many years it might be before that could change. How often has anyone ever been delayed here because of traffic congestion on the runways?

There may have been one time I've been #2 for departure. LOL

[ljbab728]

Will Rogers is finally getting the full body scanners. They are slightly slower to use than the old system but shouldn't case any particular delays.

http://newsok.com/will-rogers-world-...rticle/3651668

http://newsok.com/will-rogers-world-.../1469777538001

Also a new concession opening.

http://newsok.com/the-coffee-bean-te...rticle/3651691

[venture]

Shocked it took this long. I've been to airports with only 100,000 passengers a year that already have been using them for years. They are pretty neat in how they highlight areas of the body that need to be patted down. They take maybe 5-10 seconds to go through and are very straight forward.

[ljbab728]

Shocked it took this long. I've been to airports with only 100,000 passengers a year that already have been using them for years. They are pretty neat in how they highlight areas of the body that need to be patted down. They take maybe 5-10 seconds to go through and are very straight forward.

I"m fine with them but they are a little slower. Who knows why we are only now getting them. I wouldn't think expense would be an issue so there must be some other reason. I think Will Rogers has been able to avoid any disasters so far without them though.

[damonsmuz]

Flew in on F9 Friday afternoon KOKC-KDEN and back yesterday. Full flight both legs. Impressed with F9 and their service. How can you not like the hot cookies? I believe I heard that F9 would be adding service to OKC. Rumor has it that F9/Republic may be taking over a large chunk of the flying for American Eagle in the near future. (This was told to me by a FA so take it for what it's worth).

[BoulderSooner]

new coffee concept coming to WRWA .. in the big empty space just before the ramp starts heading west ..

20 differnet coffee's and tea's ... construction starts in a couple of weeks open by the summer ..

this is from the Air port trust meeting from last week .. about 25 min in

[venture]

new coffee concept coming to WRWA .. in the big empty space just before the ramp starts heading west ..

20 differnet coffee's and tea's ... construction starts in a couple of weeks open by the summer ..

this is from the Air port trust meeting from last week .. about 25 min in

It was in the paper a few days ago: http://newsok.com/article/3651691

The Coffee Bean & Tea Leaf, a California-based coffee chain, is coming to Will Rogers World Airport
The Coffee Bean & Tea Leaf, based in Southern California, plans to open a store inside Oklahoma City's Will Rogers World Airport concourse this summer, in a deal with airport concessionaire Delaware North Cos.

[ljbab728]

Yes, as mentioned in my post number 57.

[BoulderSooner]

It was in the paper a few days ago: http://newsok.com/article/3651691

sorry for the repost .....

i will say .. there are some good comments in the air port trust video and some images of what it might look like

[DelCamino]

Does anyone know if there has been any recent moves by the Airport Trust on the proposed terminal expansion?

[venture]

5 gates are now empty or will be. No demand for it.

[OUman]

Gate 11 is apparently used by United/United Express as overflow, but other than that it sits empty most of the day. Gate 1 isn't used by anyone except the rare charter that needs a jetway, and Gate 8 is also empty (the former NW Airlink gate). And then there's Gate 12, which is also empty. So yeah, 4 gates doing nothing. Unless there is a sudden boom in traffic I'd say OKC's got plenty of gate space left. By the way, there is no Gate 7 on the north side of the west concourse, they skipped to 9 for some reason.

[venture]

Don't forget Gate 10 is about to be unused as UA consolidates to 3,5, and 9. Two only sees a couple flights a day with Frontier pretty slow now. So that's almost 6 right there that are actually empty. Only 65% of the gates being used and their utilization rate probably still fairly low doesn't help with the business case to add more.

[ljbab728]

Will Rogers will be joining many other major airports who have a satellite rental car facility.

http://newsok.com/officials-approve-...rticle/3670105

[venture]

Not a bad idea as it will help open up more covered parking near the terminal.

[BoulderSooner]

along with a 4.50 charge on renting cars to pay for the new 39MIL facility to be opened in 2015

[Pete]

HATE this idea for reasons already expressed in this thread.

And the add-ons for renting a car when you visit OKC are becoming absurd.


The problem with these types of decision is that the people most affected (like me) don't have a voice, or at least one that matters. It basically amounts to taxing a group that does not have representation.

[Bellaboo]

HATE this idea for reasons already expressed in this thread.

And the add-ons for renting a car when you visit OKC are becoming absurd.


The problem with these types of decision is that the people most affected (like me) don't have a voice, or at least one that matters. It basically amounts to taxing a group that does not have representation.

Hate saying this Pete, but 99% of the locals won't rent from there either. They will go to the local edition sites instead. The group that will use the facility will be from out of town. Maybe the rental car companies will be paying more also ? I know they rent the space, but is it enough for capitol improvements......

[Pete]

Hate saying this Pete, but 99% of the locals won't rent from there either. They will go to the local edition sites instead. The group that will use the facility will be from out of town. Maybe the rental car companies will be paying more also ? I know they rent the space, but is it enough for capitol improvements......

Should have probably said that I live in California and rent a car at the OKC airport at least once a year.

[venture]

Could say that about more forms of transportation. The airline industry is one of the most heavily taxed, yet fees keep getting dumped on them.