Ersland upset over defense fees

[blangtang]

Hey, i dont know much about law or what really happened in this case, but isn't there a "make my day" law in oklahoma? why doesn't this apply for the pharmacy and pharmacist, maybe it should.

[BBatesokc]

Hey, i dont know much about law or what really happened in this case, but isn't there a "make my day" law in oklahoma? why doesn't this apply for the pharmacy and pharmacist, maybe it should.

Add, you don't know much about "make my day" and the legal elements it requires.

Make my day simply reinforces your right to defend yourself from immanent danger.

[BBatesokc]

On a side note.... Looks like a potential juror is facing perjury charges for claiming she didn't know anything about the Ersland case, but her Facebook page proved different.

[PennyQuilts]

Hey, i dont know much about law or what really happened in this case, but isn't there a "make my day" law in oklahoma? why doesn't this apply for the pharmacy and pharmacist, maybe it should.

Part of me agrees with the notion that if someone tries to rob someone, they ought to be agreeing to be gunned down. Part of me. Not all of me. And this was a kid, for heaven's sake - used by an older man who was a gutless b*stard.

I'm not sure that prosecuting someone for this serves much of a purpose, actually. The kid is just as dead and the next kid is certainly not going to think, "Hey, if he shoots me, at least he'll go to jail!"

[PennyQuilts]

On a side note.... Looks like a potential juror is facing perjury charges for claiming she didn't know anything about the Ersland case, but her Facebook page proved different.

Who checks the facebook pages? Is that standard? I hope they do hit her with some charge - that is ridiculous.

[BBatesokc]

Who checks the facebook pages? Is that standard? I hope they do hit her with some charge - that is ridiculous.

Don't know who caught it. But I've been hired to do checks on jurors before to see if they lied or have an undisclosed bias.

[kevinpate]

Who checks the facebook pages? Is that standard? I hope they do hit her with some charge - that is ridiculous.

To answer your question, if they have a brain in their heads, both sides do more thorough backgrounds nowadays. Also, twitter, myspace, hi5, etc., etc., etc. Especially in higher profile matters.

No one, criminal case or civil case, wants to seat a juror who looks you in the eye and tells you 'sure, you get a fair shake from me, solely on what I hear here, absolutely' when that person may well be predisposed to the position of the other side of the case.

[Bostonfan]

Part of me agrees with the notion that if someone tries to rob someone, they ought to be agreeing to be gunned down. Part of me. Not all of me. And this was a kid, for heaven's sake - used by an older man who was a gutless b*stard.

I'm not sure that prosecuting someone for this serves much of a purpose, actually. The kid is just as dead and the next kid is certainly not going to think, "Hey, if he shoots me, at least he'll go to jail!"

Maybe, just maybe, the next guy who's business is held up, will protect himself as the law requires. Then he will simply leave the place of business and not come back to unload on the robber who's no longer a threat.

[MattB]

Hey, i dont know much about law or what really happened in this case, but isn't there a "make my day" law in oklahoma? why doesn't this apply for the pharmacy and pharmacist, maybe it should.

If I had a dime for every time I've heard this... regardless of the "Make my day law," you still must be able to articulate that your or your loved one's life was in immediate danger or that you or another were in immediate danger of serious bodily injury.
Only other exception I can think of is to prevent rape.

[Bill Robertson]

If I had a dime for every time I've heard this... regardless of the "Make my day law," you still must be able to articulate that your or your loved one's life was in immediate danger or that you or another were in immediate danger of serious bodily injury.
Only other exception I can think of is to prevent rape.

Right. And Ersland was not in any kind of danger from Parker when he left the building. He should have stayed outside. Ersland choosing to re-enter the building I'm sure will be one of the biggest points of the prosecution.

[Thunder]

Right. And Ersland was not in any kind of danger from Parker when he left the building. He should have stayed outside. Ersland choosing to re-enter the building I'm sure will be one of the biggest points of the prosecution.

Not really. He had to come back in to make sure the ladies inside is safe. The kid could have something in his pocket/clothes.

[MattB]

Not really. He had to come back in to make sure the ladies inside is safe. The kid could have something in his pocket/clothes.

You can't fire five hits into someone because the "might" have something in their pocket... especially when they're lying motionless.

[Thunder]

I don't remember seeing the boy's hands in the video. I dunno.

[bandnerd]

Not really. He had to come back in to make sure the ladies inside is safe. The kid could have something in his pocket/clothes.

Has he actually ever said that? You also can't just shoot whomever walks in because they "could" have something in their pocket or clothes. Well, I guess you "can," but it would put you in jail.

[Thunder]

Has he actually ever said that? You also can't just shoot whomever walks in because they "could" have something in their pocket or clothes. Well, I guess you "can," but it would put you in jail.

Don't twist it. This was happening after all the robbery attempt and shootout. He doesn't know if that kid had a gun or not.

[PennyQuilts]

Don't know who caught it. But I've been hired to do checks on jurors before to see if they lied or have an undisclosed bias.

I think it is a great idea. I used to do things like that in custody cases. All I can say is that some people are idiots... I was just wondering if it was a prosecution policy or was left up to the individual to decide if they want to do that.

[Achilleslastand]

Are there differences in the make my day law in a place of business as opposed to a homeowner?

[rcjunkie]

Maybe, just maybe, the next guy who's business is held up, will protect himself as the law requires. Then he will simply leave the place of business and not come back to unload on the robber who's no longer a threat.

And just maybe he'll say a prayer on his way out, hoping the would be robber doesn't pull a gun from his pocket and shoot him in the back as he walks out the door.

[Bostonfan]

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And just maybe he'll say a prayer on his way out, hoping the would be robber doesn't pull a gun from his pocket and shoot him in the back as he walks out the door.

Do you simply ignore the facts of this case to stir things up, or are you that ignorant? The guy left the building, then came back, then turned his back to the kid to get a gun, walked over and unloaded on him. Why is this so difficult to understand?

[Thunder]

Do you simply ignore the facts of this case to stir things up, or are you that ignorant? The guy left the building, then came back, then turned his back to the kid to get a gun, walked over and unloaded on him. Why is this so difficult to understand?

I'd say Temporary Insanity. With that, no one know what one would do under such situation. We all react differently.

[MattB]

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And just maybe he'll say a prayer on his way out, hoping the would be robber doesn't pull a gun from his pocket and shoot him in the back as he walks out the door.

Must be what Ersland did.

[Achilleslastand]

I see where Antwuns mother filed a wrongful death case against Mr Ersland today. This isnt suprising that shes trying to hit the lotto maybe she can pay the numerous landlords who have filed suit against her for rent past due. And she wonders why her "good boy who loved to draw and play basketball" was out robbing pharmacies.

[Thunder]

I see where Antwuns mother filed a wrongful death case against Mr Ersland today. This isnt suprising that shes trying to hit the lotto maybe she can pay the numerous landlords who have filed suit against her for rent past due. And she wonders why her "good boy who loved to draw and play basketball" was out robbing pharmacies.

Exactly. She just want the money, but not to pay landlords. We all know what she will obviously do with the money...

He may have "loved to draw and play basketball," but he chose the life of doing harm toward others. The price of that is death.

None of us should ever feel sorry for him or the mother.

As for the Pharmacist, its back 'n forth with all these mixed opinions.

[rcjunkie]

Do you simply ignore the facts of this case to stir things up, or are you that ignorant? The guy left the building, then came back, then turned his back to the kid to get a gun, walked over and unloaded on him. Why is this so difficult to understand?

Like Brian, you both claim to know/have all the facts whcich is pure BS. I wasn't there, and neither were you, Brian or MattB, and if anyone say's without a doubt exactly how they would react, they are being dishonest at the least.

Just like you, I'm entitled to and have and voice my opinion, and it's my opinion that Mr. Ersland did nothing wrong and should be found not guilty.

[MattB]

Like Brian, you both claim to know/have all the facts whcich is pure BS. I wasn't there, and neither were you, Brian or MattB, and if anyone say's without a doubt exactly how they would react, they are being dishonest at the least.

Just like you, I'm entitled to and have and voice my opinion, and it's my opinion that Mr. Ersland did nothing wrong and should be found not guilty.

I've been involved in dozens of armed confrontations... and I've been shot, too. Speak for yourself.