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    Thanks, Penny. Yes, perspective and blinders do matter. Back to the topic which started this whole thread, Jim Crow laws in Oklahoma City. I was pretty much unaware of the racial segregation problems going on in Oklahoma when I was a high school student in Lawton (I'm a LHS 1961 grad). My best friend was an Indian and I didn't even know it early on (with blonde hair, why should I?), Lawton's schools had been integrated for quite some time, doubtless due to requirements associated with getting military federal impact funding due to Ft. Sill for public schools. At the time, there was only one main and large high school, Lawton High, home of the Wolverines ... even though a much smaller, a black high school, did exit even though most blacks attended Lawton High. It was a huge high school with over 2100 students in three grades, and our graduating class was something like 650-750, I don't recall exactly. Heck, I was a young fellow dreaming about and wanting chicks, cool cars (I had no car at all, cool or otherwise), enjoying my school activities (band and debate), loving rock and roll, knocking around with buds in the Wichita mountains, and even getting a soldier from Ft. Sill to slip into a liquor store and get a bottle of cherry sloe gin on special occasions. Yes, I know how stupid the choice makes me sound, but since we're being honest here it's a confession that I must regrettably make. Racial problems were the furthest thing from my mind. The best player on our football team the year I graduated was a black young man named Hartwell Menifee, if I'm spelling his name correctly. I explained this a little in the introductory post to my Deep Deuce series called http://dougdawg.blogspot.com/2006/11...Deuce Prologue.

    At the end of that article, I said,

    Stepping aside from non-personal evidence, I'll add this personal story. I was an Oklahoma State University debater from 1961-1965, a freshman in 1961-62. Toward the end of that school year, our Coach, Fred Tewell (father of the Edmond golfer Doug Tewell) intended to treat us to a nice dinner and night out in Oklahoma City. He had a place in mind, a great steak house at what is now at the south end of Frontier City ... the name alludes me today. Whatever its name, we parked outside and went in to be seated.

    One (excellent) member of our debate team was a squeaky-clean young Black man, and he naturally entered the restaurant with the rest of us. On entry, and seeing our Black colleague, we were told that Blacks would not be served but that the rest of us were welcome.

    In my lifetime, I cannot remember a time that I have experienced greater embarrassment or shame because of the color of my skin.

    We left and drove into Oklahoma City and had great food at the old Sussy's Restaurant on Classen Boulevard. But, there is no way that this occasion will ever be a pleasant memory – it is as ugly as it is real – and Black people living in Oklahoma City from 1889 through the 1960's-1970's experienced this same thing and much worse on a daily basis.

    While experiencing a walk through the history of this area [Deep Deuce], it is right to remember why the area existed in the first place - Blacks had no place else to go.

    End of prologue. If you Black guys and gals want to welcome me as a White guy into your communion to share your pride, I'd be proud. But, I'll be and am proud of you, even if you don't.
    That story represented the end of my innocence, at least, that part of it.

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    I know we tease and joke on this thread a lot. Many of us have become friends outside of OKCtalk.....I'm proud to know all of you (questionable about PapaOU) but at what point do we as citizens of Oklahoma and The United States of America turn our head against the racial line?....I'm not as learned as Doug or Pennyquilts in the laws of the land but, there are as many Non people of Color as there are people of color that I don't actually want to associate with.....You know, it's kinda funny how color is always thrown when someone can benefit from it. However, Black, White, Brown are really Mute colors in the Sprectrum. When you look at a Rainbow, you don't see any of those colors in the sky.....Be it as much as my faith is very important to me and to my family I have to believe that God did that intentionally hoping we were all "Smart" enough to remain people of God.......O.K. I promise not to get on the old high horse so I'll be quiet.
    However, thank God for people like, George Washington Carver, Martin Luther King Jr., Rosa Parks, and Ms. Clara Luper. Some are pretty radical but look how they changed the world......Shoot, Aunt Jemima was even discovered in our Great City......How many pictures have people seen of her over the years????
    Color and Gender should stop and be recognized only if needed.......I always wondered why Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and that group have been offended when they would be called "Colored" and the they run to their own named political orginization....NAACP....the CP stands for "Colored People"....hmmmmmmmm?

    I don't have an email address...don't worry about sending me one.....

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    What a thoughtful post for an old guy from the south side WHO .... WHAT??? .... doesn't have an email address??? Chuckle ...

    Like anything else, racial, gender, or any other matter can be blown way out of proportion, too. For the life of me, I guess that I'm too damn dumb to see how Little Black Sambo is a bigoted story ... I loved it as a kid. Ditto Uncle Remus and Brer Rabbit ... and I like Florida State's tomahawk chop ... and I used to like OU's Little Red before he was killed by ... well-intentioned Native Americans. Freaky Friday is possible to occur on any topic whether it's a serious topic or not. And ... I DO have an email address.

    I wasn't aware that Aunt Jemima had Oklahoma City roots. Were you kidding?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Loudenback View Post
    What a thoughtful post for an old guy from the south side WHO .... WHAT??? .... doesn't have an email address??? Chuckle ...

    Like anything else, racial, gender, or any other matter can be blown way out of proportion, too. For the life of me, I guess that I'm too damn dumb to see how Little Black Sambo is a bigoted story ... I loved it as a kid. Ditto Uncle Remus and Brer Rabbit ... and I like Florida State's tomahawk chop ... and I used to like OU's Little Red before he was killed by ... well-intentioned Native Americans. Freaky Friday is possible to occur on any topic whether it's a serious topic or not. And ... I DO have an email address.

    I wasn't aware that Aunt Jemima had Oklahoma City roots. Were you kidding?
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    Nope, not kidding....I read a story about her and some OKC history...she lived in what we call the Deep Deuce area. Was paid (hope memory is right) $10.00 for her picture to be used in an advertising campaign. Supposedly, the rest is history......Thought about you last night at the fair....there was a place with old pictures of Oklahoma and I saw one of Doe Doe Park.....Most people around here don't know what I'm talking about....Hmmmmm let them wonder.....See you tomorrow.....
    Oh yeah, you know me well enough that I'm politically driven and try my best to stay away from any kind of Politics. But, since we're on a history thread about the Jim Crow situation tell me why the leaders of the Black community always want to be the "Loudest" and the most controversial?....I promise you 99 out of 100 have NEVER be to Africa....Why do they call themselves "African-American"???? You know, I'm kinda proud of being an "Okie"...I could have come from Texas....then what would I be???? My ancestry goes back to the Chickasaw Nation.....one one side and the Southeastern Hills of Oklahoma on the other....Does that make me a "Southeastern Okie-American Native from Moore"?.....Never mind, I'm proud to be an "Okie" and to live in this great state with relationships with one the best nation on earth.......O.K. raise the flags and begin to sing "America"....but, I really mean it.....Texas?????oh yeah, for PapaOU....."Hook em Horns".................................

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    Ahhh ... Doe Doe Park ... I remember it well ... sunning on the grassy area while watching for good looking babes and hearing Little Richard blasting out of the loudspeakers. The suntan lotion of my youthful peers (me included) was a combo of baby oil and iodine. Probably why I'm short and fat and have so little (even if remarkably distinctive) hair today.

    Uh, oh ... Penny, is what I just said OK?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Loudenback View Post
    Ahhh ... Doe Doe Park ... I remember it well ... sunning on the grassy area while watching for good looking babes and hearing Little Richard blasting out of the loudspeakers. The suntan lotion of my youthful peers (me included) was a combo of baby oil and iodine. Probably why I'm short and fat and have so little (even if remarkably distinctive) hair today.

    Uh, oh ... Penny, is what I just said OK?
    Absolutely. Glory days, baby!! One of the best parts about getting older is you can say anything and people just shake their head if offended. But I'm certainly not offended. I wish a lot of the good old days of the feminine mystique would come back. The thrill of the chase was, well, a thrill. And to a certain extent, took a lot of the pressure off since chances are, things weren't going to go anywhere, anyway.

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    Gawd I like it when you talk dirty. Penny, are you going to make the southsider's meeting tomorrow at Coit's on South Wetern? I expect to, though I might be a little late.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Loudenback View Post
    Gawd I like it when you talk dirty. Penny, are you going to make the southsider's meeting tomorrow at Coit's on South Wetern? I expect to, though I might be a little late.
    I might but can't commit. Husband is getting back to town, tonight, from a short trip back to DC and I'll have to see if he is in the mindset to want his family around him where he can see them, or if he is stressed out from the travel and would just rather be left alone to go putter in his workshop.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PennyQuilts View Post
    I might but can't commit. Husband is getting back to town, tonight, from a short trip back to DC and I'll have to see if he is in the mindset to want his family around him where he can see them, or if he is stressed out from the travel and would just rather be left alone to go putter in his workshop.
    Bring him with you....we can really ruin his day for him....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Generals64 View Post
    Bring him with you....we can really ruin his day for him....
    They cancelled his stupid flight - again. Grrr. I am not kidding, he can't make a simply flight from here to DC and back without a flight being cancelled or missing a connection. He is driving home. Grrr. I once spent three days in DFW airport when they cancelled one of my flights. The only thing worse is O'Hare.

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    I just heard this John Anderson song, Cold Coffee and Hot Beer, and it made me think of this thread while grinning very, very big:

    Cold coffee and hot beer
    That's kinda how things are around here
    We used to have such a happy home
    But now we don't because she is gone
    Can't get a hug nor a kiss around here
    Just cold coffee and hot beer

    Beer cans and cigarette butts
    A sink full of dirty coffee cups
    Nothin' left for me to do
    But sit alone and sing the blues
    It's a cryin' shame that she ain't here
    Kinda like cold coffee and hot beer

    Wish I could change things all around
    I'd turn my world upside down
    Instead of gone then she'd he here
    And I'd have hot coffee and ice cold beer y'all

    The lights are out and rent's past due
    I really missed her paycheck too
    Maybe I should go downtown
    Get me a job and settle down
    Then again I reckon that I'll just sit here
    With my cold coffee and hot beer

    Wish I could change things all around
    I'd turn my world upside down
    Instead of gone then she'd he here
    And I'd have hot coffee and ice cold beer y'all

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