OKC Mayor Race 2014

[PhiAlpha]

Don't forget that the information that was posted to disprove this theory of the Mayor diverting money to the river boats was from a link that Edgar him/her self posted the link for...

Carry on...

That's just awesome. I let my extreme annoyance with Shadid get the best of me and got sucked it Forgot along the way.

[Edgar]

Never said Mick diverted any monies- point is, while the town is cutting routes and charging low income people for transfers, they're applying for stim funds for someone's silly fantasy that has become a money pit for OKC. meanwhile in Norman and Tulsa- you get it.

[Midtowner]

Phi -

We are all arguing with a kid not even old enough to vote.......keep in mind, the frontal lobes on a teenager are not fully developed.

Come on now, that's not really fair. He's been politically aware for like 5 minutes. MAPS first started when I was in high school. I could never have fathomed what it's become. It's positive for someone his age to have an opinion on anything at all. It's impressive that he even knows who the mayor is, let alone supporting a fairly obscure challenger.

[warreng88]

Never said Mick diverted any monies- point is, while the town is cutting routes and charging low income people for transfers, they're applying for stim funds for someone's silly fantasy that has become a money pit for OKC. meanwhile in Norman and Tulsa- you get it.

They get it? Meaning they get the money that they applied for for a specific reason and used it for that reason? So, are you saying that the Mayor did NOT divert money from the cng to the river cruises? By the way, you talk about Tulsa so much, why don't you move there? You love the music scene and obviously the city politics are top notch in your book. I can name ten people off the top of my head that would like to move to OKC from Tulsa but can't due to their job. One of my best friends has a plan to move here by 2015 because he likes it that much more than Tulsa. I don't know anyone from OKC that is just dying to move to Tulsa.

[PhiAlpha]

Never said Mick diverted any monies- point is, while the town is cutting routes and charging low income people for transfers, they're applying for stim funds for someone's silly fantasy that has become a money pit for OKC. meanwhile in Norman and Tulsa- you get it.

You may not have said it but you've more than insinuated it several times. And someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe OKC has applied for stimulus fund for use in other transportation areas other than the funds mentioned in the article I posted earlier. Who cares if COPTA (independent of Mick Cornett) applied for ferry funds that have no effect on any other stim funds to be used for other transportation purposes? You just don't seem to get it...cutting bus routes and stim funds applied to the river boats have nothing to do with each other. At any rate it has nothing to do with the mayor.

Also it's hard for something to become a money pit to the city if it is at least partially funded by private entities.

[Bellaboo]

I-235 was smoothed out (reconditioned as they call it) from I - 40 to I-44 with stim money. I-40 expanded and rebuilt from Yukon to almost El Reno was stim money, i'm sure there are others.

[Prunepicker]

We are all arguing with a kid not even old enough to vote... keep in mind,
the frontal lobes on a teenager are not fully developed.

Sometimes a teenagers frontal lobes aren't fully developed until
they reach their 30's. It's a relative thing.

[boscorama]

Akin to suggesting the answer to diarrhea would be to install more toilets?

What? That's about as ridiculous of a statement I've heard.

[Edgar]

They get it? Meaning they get the money that they applied for for a specific reason and used it for that reason? So, are you saying that the Mayor did NOT divert money from the cng to the river cruises? By the way, you talk about Tulsa so much, why don't you move there? You love the music scene and obviously the city politics are top notch in your book. I can name ten people off the top of my head that would like to move to OKC from Tulsa but can't due to their job. One of my best friends has a plan to move here by 2015 because he likes it that much more than Tulsa. I don't know anyone from OKC that is just dying to move to Tulsa.

I've only ever defended T-town when smug people on OKCTALK bash the place.

[Edgar]

I think he knows what it is saying but he, like so many others, are convinced that Shadid could actually just change stuff like that. Without a consensus and without a coalition. Just wave the ceremonial title of "Mayor" and make it happen.

Does this constitute ferry service in your estimation?

[Edgar]

You may not have said it but you've more than insinuated it several times. And someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe OKC has applied for stimulus fund for use in other transportation areas other than the funds mentioned in the article I posted earlier. Who cares if COPTA (independent of Mick Cornett) applied for ferry funds that have no effect on any other stim funds to be used for other transportation purposes? You just don't seem to get it...cutting bus routes and stim funds applied to the river boats have nothing to do with each other. At any rate it has nothing to do with the mayor.

Also it's hard for something to become a money pit to the city if it is at least partially funded by private entities.

Oklahoma City's riverboat gamble not paying off yet | News OK

[jerrywall]

Oklahoma City's riverboat gamble not paying off yet | News OK

Oh look, a 2+ year old story with outdated information. Boom. Is this where you drop the mic?

[Edgar]

no doubt if ridership had turned around and the boondoggle was no longer costing a little under a million per year dok would write a fornt page article touting the success.

[soonerguru]

no doubt if ridership had turned around and the boondoggle was no longer costing a little under a million per year dok would write a fornt page article touting the success.

Edgar, you represent yourself well. Ed Shadid supporters are all aggrieved people who think the city pretty much sucks. Their entire basis for supporting Ed is rooted in some negative view of something or other. You obviously fit this angry group to a tee.

[BrettM2]

This article was written about the U.S. political scene but I couldn't help think of Shadid when reading some of it.

Opinion: Five reasons America is still in trouble - CNN.com

2. Our national conversation has gotten off-track
Promote extremist politicians and reward them for their extremism, and you get tension, incivility and a reluctance to embrace the compromise that is essential to democracy. Bring in the language of religion and culture wars, and the debate becomes about what divides us rather than what we need to bring us together, about our problems and not about their practical solutions.
Wedge issues then play a greater role in campaigns than new ideas. Opponents become enemies rather than neighbors with alternative views.
We need to defuse the language, edit the loaded terminology, reinvest in the separation of church and state and call out dangerously divisive ideas, racism, sexism and sheer stupidity, like denying science, history or basic arithmetic.
3. Governance has become a lost art
The least-valued skill set in Washington is the ability to actually get things done. We mistakenly believe that articulating a problem is the same thing as solving it. We reward those who give good speeches and not those who have a proven track record of fixing things.
Politicians are too often elected because they advance an ideology, and when they serve, they inevitably focus on what they need to do to be re-elected. But their jobs were created to serve the public, to govern and to lead, even if that means making their positions of power more precarious. We need to start voting for people who have proved their skill at bridging partisan divides and focusing on the needs of the electorate.

[betts]

This article was written about the U.S. political scene but I couldn't help think of Shadid when reading some of it.

Opinion: Five reasons America is still in trouble - CNN.com

Wow. Right on point there Brett. Precisely some major concerns I have about Councilman Shadid as a potential mayor.

[Edgar]

Edgar, you represent yourself well. Ed Shadid supporters are all aggrieved people who think the city pretty much sucks. Their entire basis for supporting Ed is rooted in some negative view of something or other. You obviously fit this angry group to a tee.

or it could be folks who find it refreshing someone actually listens to their concerns and is running to be mayor of all residents of the city.

[kevinpate]

well, to paraphrase an old line in an old movie

facts? facts? Don't need no stinking facts.

[Laramie]

Not to offend those who depend on bus service, but nicer bus stops don't make a city a top flight. So far that's all I know Ed has championed. I know what Mick has done. Ed's got a long way to go.

That's pretty good for Ed considering that he probably has never riden an Oklahoma City public transit bus...

[betts]

or it could be folks who find it refreshing someone actually listens to their concerns and is running to be mayor of all residents of the city.

Listening to concerns is all well and good. Mayor Cornett has actually responded to me personally in the past when I emailed him with some concerns I had. However, listening is one thing and actually doing something about those concerns is another. Ed Shadid has two councilors who might vote with him, as long as he's proposing something they can agree with. Greiner is diametrically opposed to him politically, so it's likely any increase in taxes for transit won't fly with him. He's done a pretty good job of alienating everyone on the shoe besides Greiner and White. So, I'm not sure how he's going to eradicate poverty, improve the educational system, fix all transit issues AND get enough money to hire 500 new police officers and "ensure firefighters have adequate staffing and equipment". These all sound like pie in the sky empty campaign promises. I remember him promising that he would ensure that all MAPS 3 projects would be completed as promised too.

[Edgar]

I've never found Mick to be inaccessible. Have you ever tried calling or emailing him to have coffee?

And when I lived at 50th & Lincoln, I certainly never saw Mick as someone who didn't care about all residents of the city. You've yet to provide an ounce of evidence that that isn't the case.

Cornett admits he's solely focused on developing downtown and tells people they may not like it but their kids will, or something smug like that.

[betts]

Cornett admits he's solely focused on developing downtown and tells people they may not like it but their kids will, or something smug like that.

Can you provide us the link to that quote, or are you following the Shadid and minions modus operandi of giving out misinformation. Some people call that lying, but some of it simply seems to be an inability to process information.

[Midtowner]

Cornett admits he's solely focused on developing downtown and tells people they may not like it but their kids will, or something smug like that.

Oh! Oh! Two can play at this game!

Shadid admits that he farts and blames it on the dog.

[heyerdahl]

I have heard the quote Edgar is talking about from the Mayor several times. People around the country are always extremely curious how he gets a conservative city to vote for urban quality of life projects.

He says he tries sharing economic and quality of life reasons for focusing on the urban core, but when everything else has failed, he tells the naysayers: "We are trying to build a city that your kids and grandkids will choose to live in."

Just about every trend among younger people says that this is not smug rhetoric- it's true.

[Plutonic Panda]

Cornett admits he's solely focused on developing downtown and tells people they may not like it but their kids will, or something smug like that.

You should really either a.. back up what you say b.. just admit you're wrong on this and it isn't true and b.. think before you post in the future so you don't damage your credibility. As with others, I admire you loyalty to Ed, but making things up is very shady my friend.