The ANGRY People Get Angrier About MAPS

[Urban Pioneer]

I just got a call from a downtown property owner. MTP had put several signs in flower beds on his property.

He told me that he had received a string of phone calls from passerby's and tenants demanding that the signs be removed.

One of the callers told him that unless they would be removed he would find his properties vandalized and his car tires "slashed".

I realize that people are passionate about their views, but when did it come to actually threatening harms and destruction to one's personal property?

Also, I heard that Mark Shannon's diatribe today was particularly frightening with references to "burning the mayor's house down". Is this really the America and OKC that I have loved?

Prove me wrong, have a good ole fashioned sign war, but be respectful and treat others responsibally. This is NOT a new tax.

[soonerguru]

Question: did the downtown property owner keep the signs up? I hope so. Hopefully he has video set to catch these thugs in the act.

The opposition knows they're losing. That explains the threats of violence toward the property owner, and the threat of arson by the right-wing shock jock.

[andy157]

Question: did the downtown property owner keep the signs up? I hope so. Hopefully he has video set to catch these thugs in the act.

The opposition knows they're losing. That explains the threats of violence toward the property owner, and the threat of arson by the right-wing shock jock.

The alleged threats.

[flintysooner]

The alleged threats.

You wouldn't really be surprised would you?

[andy157]

You wouldn't really be surprised would you?

I have reached a time in my life where nothing surprises me.

[flintysooner]

I have reached a time in my life where nothing surprises me.

Yeah. Me too.

[FritterGirl]

The alleged threats.

I know of TWO people, both very vocal MAPS supporters, who have received threatening phone calls and emails. So while the threats that Urban Pioneer is talking about, may indeed be "alleged," when good friends of mine tell me they've been threatened, I believe them.

[MGE1977]

I know of TWO people, both very vocal MAPS supporters, who have received threatening phone calls and emails. So while the threats that Urban Pioneer is talking about, may indeed be "alleged," when good friends of mine tell me they've been threatened, I believe them.

Everybody knows somebody, its still circumstantial.

Point is, it is unfortunate if it did happen, and not indicative of what I feel is the spirit of the "No" side.

Really it sounds like someone who feels powerless, someone who feels without a voice and so they more or less anonymously threaten, usually little arises. That being said, it is probably reasonable to be cautious, though not afraid.

Politics is so far from some people's grasp, that they grasp at what is most readily available. I hope the tone of this thread is not to lump us "NO" voters all in together.

[FritterGirl]

Everybody knows somebody, its still circumstantial.

Point is, it is unfortunate if it did happen, and not indicative of what I feel is the spirit of the "No" side.

Really it sounds like someone who feels powerless, someone who feels without a voice and so they more or less anonymously threaten, usually little arises. That being said, it is probably reasonable to be cautious, though not afraid.

Politics is so far from some people's grasp, that they grasp at what is most readily available. I hope the tone of this thread is not to lump us "NO" voters all in together.

So, it's circumstantial that they told me this information? Or, circumstantial that they have the emails and voicemails to back up their claims?

[soonerguru]

The alleged threats.

Having known Urban Pioneer for years, I have no reason to doubt him. It's not surprising that you won't accept any responsibility for your rogue supporters, though.

[MGE1977]

Having known Urban Pioneer for years, I have no reason to doubt him. It's not surprising that you won't accept any responsibility for your rogue supporters, though.

C'mon mac, you are using a lot of words to say very little. Your voucher for anyone's is not a valid qualifier as to validity of statement, or character.

The "Yessers" have certainly not devolved from organized, thoughtful discussion and argument to "My dad can beat up your dad..." garbage has it?

[soonerguru]

C'mon mac, you are using a lot of words to say very little. Your voucher for anyone's is not a valid qualifier as to validity of statement, or character.

The "Yessers" have certainly not devolved from organized, thoughtful discussion and argument to "My dad can beat up your dad..." garbage has it?

Of course not. But that's apparently all the ntm-ers have left. That, and threatening people with violence and arson.

[andy157]

Having known Urban Pioneer for years, I have no reason to doubt him. It's not surprising that you won't accept any responsibility for your rogue supporters, though.

Have you known the person who told him this story for a long time as well? I wasn't questioning U.P. creditability, I was correcting you for referring to it as being a threat. Until you have proof it remains alleged. Are you alleging that I'm associated with a criminal act, or that I bare any responsibility for the act?

[Doug Loudenback]

The alleged threats.

Nothing "alleged" about it. I took a picture of some action downtown just a few minutes ago ...

[Dustin]

[QUOTE=Doug Loudenback;277827]Nothing "alleged" about it. I took a picture of some action downtown just a few minutes ago ...

MMD!!

[soonerguru]

Nothing "alleged" about it. I took a picture of some action downtown just a few minutes ago ...

Doug,

That is priceless. Great work!

[Doug Loudenback]

Doug,

That is priceless. Great work!

Thanks. I thought about making the penguin fireman hosing down all of those around the YesMaps fire, but I was fearful that I'd subject myself to Iron's ire if I did ... and, you know, I just don't think that I'm up to that.

[andy157]

Nothing "alleged" about it. I took a picture of some action downtown just a few minutes ago ...

Doug I can see I'm going to have to spend a bit more time educating you about Firefighters. Did you not see that buxom blonde on the bike? For God sakes man...forget the fire, rotate.

[Larry OKC]

Doug I can see I'm going to have to spend a bit more time educating you about Firefighters. Did you not see that buxom blonde on the bike? For God sakes man...forget the fire, rotate.

And it does look like the fireman is looking over her way...LOL

[Doug Loudenback]

Doug I can see I'm going to have to spend a bit more time educating you about Firefighters. Did you not see that buxom blonde on the bike? For God sakes man...forget the fire, rotate.

Of course! Problem solved ...


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Oh. You said the one on the bike ...

[Urban Pioneer]

It is really quite sad. You have very disillusioned people threatening very kind people. It is even more upsetting when you have an all out "war" between the people who are supposed to protect us and the public to be protected.

The ANGRY people need to get it under control.

[kevinpate]

... The ANGRY people need to get it under control.

You may assume more capability than what exists for some folk. I hope not, but lots of the anger I'm seeing, hearing and reading can not, in my opinion, have just suddenly arisen. It strikes me as having been there for a spell, but simply not shared out and about in the public eye.

Most will be fine, win or lose on the 8th, from both sides. The ones who won't, well, they likely had some issues to start with, and the election has just emboldened them to act out more so than their norm.

[Urban Pioneer]

It is even more upsetting when you have an all out "war" between the people who are supposed to protect us and the public to be protected.

I want to make an overature and retract this statement. I think that the Police and Fire Unions have given fuel to alot of angry people for a great many different reasons. It has made for some strange bedfellows.

However, I have not personally had a bad experience with a fireman or policeman since I first moved here. It is safe to say that they have been completely rational and professional in all my dealings with them.

It's going to be too easy to bash each other in the next three days. But when it comes down to it, I am not sure that my comment above is accurate. I think that the "ANGRY" people are not any of the public worforce I have encountered.

Their Union Leaders however have unleashed a angry motivated throng on this vote unintentionally or otherwise. I will be glad when it is over.

[MGE1977]

I want to make an overature and retract this statement. I think that the Police and Fire Unions have given fuel to alot of angry people for a great many different reasons. It has made for some strange bedfellows.

However, I have not personally had a bad experience with a fireman or policeman since I first moved here. It is safe to say that they have been completely rational and professional in all my dealings with them.

It's going to be too easy to bash each other in the next three days. But when it comes down to it, I am not sure that my comment above is accurate. I think that the "ANGRY" people are not any of the public worforce I have encountered.

Their Union Leaders however have unleashed a angry motivated throng on this vote unintentionally or otherwise. I will be glad when it is over.

Really this is nice to hear. I know that we stand at odds, and it is somewhat uncomfortable for everybody especially with the ramped up efforts of a desperate few recently.

The 9th really can't get here fast enough, and up to then and after, our commitment to the community, and theirs to us really doesn't have to leave the ballot box. We'll all live either in a park, or in a park a little later.

[PennyQuilts]

DV crosses the spectrum. I doubt there is any connection to a position on MAPS. And it isn't fair to a group to accuse them of the actions of a bad apple.

But as for the reports of agressive behavior directed towards pro MAPS people, plenty of credible people have reported it and there is no doubt that this is an issue that has caused anger and consternation. I just wish people had the self control to focus on going to the polls. Intimidating, screaming at people and stealing signs is trashy behavior.