2011 BCS Discussion Thread

[venture]

First official rankings of the year come out on Sunday. Here are some free sites to get details and such for the BCS:

http://www.bcsfootball.org/

http://www.bcsguru.com/bcs_standings.htm

http://www.bcsknowhow.com/category/r...s/bcs-rankings

http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football

How the BCS works: http://www.bcsfootball.org/news/story?id=4819597

[venture]

Top 25 run down for results from Saturday 10/15/11. Shouldn't see much movement in the polls at all in the top 10. Highlights in red indicate a Top 25 team that lost to a lower ranked/unranked team.

#1 LSU - 38 vs. Tennessee - 7
#2 Alabama - 52 vs. Mississippi - 7
#3 Oklahoma - 47 vs. Kansas - 17
#4 Wisconsin - 59 vs. Indiana - 7
#5 Boise State - 63 vs. Colorado State - 13
#6 Oklahoma State - 38 vs. #22 Texas - 26
#7 Stanford - 44 vs. Washington State - 14
#8 Clemson 56 vs. Maryland - 45
#9 Oregon - 41 vs. #18 Arizona State - 27
#11 Michigan - 14 vs. #23 Michigan State - 28
#12 Georgia Tech - 21 vs. Virginia - 24
#15 South Carolina - 14 vs. Mississippi State - 12
#16 Illinois - 7 vs. Ohio State - 17
#17 Kansas State - 41 vs. Texas Tech - 34
#19 Virginia Tech - 38 vs. Wake Forest - 17
#20 Baylor - 28 vs. #21 Texas A&M - 55
#24 Auburn - 17 vs. Florida - 6

[Thunder]

I was surprised when I learned about the BCS ranking starting today while watching the game last night. I thought we were dealing with BCS already. Lets hope OU goes straight to the top when its out tonight.

[ljbab728]

I was surprised when I learned about the BCS ranking starting today while watching the game last night. I thought we were dealing with BCS already. Lets hope OU goes straight to the top when its out tonight.

Thunder, that's not going to happen and isn't important at this point. All OU has to do is keep winning and they'll be there.

[Thunder]

Thunder, that's not going to happen and isn't important at this point. All OU has to do is keep winning and they'll be there.

mmmm, I like it like that. ;-)

[venture]

I was surprised when I learned about the BCS ranking starting today while watching the game last night. I thought we were dealing with BCS already. Lets hope OU goes straight to the top when its out tonight.

5 or 6 of the computer rankings go all season long, but they aren't broadcast in the mainstream media. The Harris poll just started last weekend. Today (Sunday) will be the first time the Peter Wolfe computer poll will run and is the last "missing" component to the BCS. The BCS polls I've been posting for the last couple of weeks include only the data that is available.

Thunder, that's not going to happen and isn't important at this point. All OU has to do is keep winning and they'll be there.

Well I could see some issues coming up if Wisconsin, Stanford, and Clemson all win out. Boise State too I guess. I doubt we'll end up with 6 unbeatens this year.

[ljbab728]

Well I could see some issues coming up if Wisconsin, Stanford, and Clemson all win out. Boise State too I guess. I doubt we'll end up with 6 unbeatens this year.

You're the only one I've heard of that thinks that. If OU wins out with the schedule they have left (which is much more difficult than any of those schools) they have nothing to worry about.

[venture]

Yeah, and it all just depends on who tanks like Florida State or who maintains. I think many just assume OU will get there if they win out because that is how it has worked in the past. However, the Big Ten have a conference championship now so that could boost Wisconsin even more. Although they are pretty far back in the BCS composite score (0.7532 vs OU's 0.9498).

[ljbab728]

Yeah, and it all just depends on who tanks like Florida State or who maintains. I think many just assume OU will get there if they win out because that is how it has worked in the past. However, the Big Ten have a conference championship now so that could boost Wisconsin even more. Although they are pretty far back in the BCS composite score (0.7532 vs OU's 0.9498).

Yes, but look at the dogs they might play in a Big Ten championship. OU has nothing to worry about as long as they win.

[Easy180]

OU vs SEC champ if they win out...Now if OSU wins out then it might be more interesting

[Roadhawg]

Still a lot of football left to play yet... but with the SEC, Big 10 having conference championships I wonder if that will help or hurt the Big 12.

[venture]

Projected BCS for today...last computer poll won't be out until this evening. Here is a look at the raw data, sorry for the formatting but the forum doesn't allow tables to be displayed any better.

Interesting that OU has actually jumped LSU thanks to computer love.

Rank Pvs Team Rk Coach % Rk Harris % AH CM JS KM RB Cp Avg BCS Conf
1 1 Alabama 3 1399 0.9485 2 2728 0.9489 24 25 25 25 24 0.980 0.9591 SEC
2 3 Oklahoma 1 1434 0.9722 3 2714 0.9440 25 24 23 23 23 0.930 0.9487 B12
3 2 LSU 2 1409 0.9553 1 2813 0.9784 23 22 24 21 25 0.900 0.9446 SEC
4 5 Oklahoma State 7 1168 0.7919 6 2300 0.8000 22 23 21 24 21 0.870 0.8206 B12
5 4 Boise State 6 1170 0.7932 5 2353 0.8184 21 19 19 20 22 0.790 0.8006 MWC
6 8 Wisconsin 4 1244 0.8434 4 2432 0.8459 11 12 20 12 19 0.540 0.7431 B10
7 6 Clemson 8 1046 0.7092 8 2090 0.7270 19 18 22 22 20 0.790 0.7420 ACC
8 7 Stanford 5 1232 0.8353 7 2297 0.7990 14 14 11 3 17 0.420 0.6847 P12
9 10 Michigan 10 891 0.6041 10 1723 0.5993 20 21 13 14 9 0.560 0.5878 B10
10 13 Arkansas 11 871 0.5905 11 1691 0.5882 10 5 17 16 16 0.470 0.5496 SEC
11 12 Georgia Tech 12 805 0.5458 12 1621 0.5638 16 16 16 17 3 0.510 0.5399 ACC
12 14 Illinois 15 634 0.4298 14 1255 0.4365 18 17 18 15 13 0.630 0.4988 B10
13 11 Oregon 9 995 0.6746 9 1898 0.6602 0 0 10 0 18 0.100 0.4783 P12
14 18 Kansas State 18 462 0.3132 17 1018 0.3541 17 20 15 18 14 0.640 0.4358 B12
15 16 South Carolina 13 678 0.4597 15 1195 0.4157 13 11 0 13 6 0.300 0.3918 SEC
16 15 Nebraska 14 671 0.4549 13 1292 0.4494 5 4 9 2 15 0.200 0.3681 B10
17 19 Virginia Tech 17 523 0.3546 18 945 0.3287 6 3 5 8 8 0.220 0.3011 ACC
18 9 Texas 21 243 0.1647 20 562 0.1955 15 15 12 19 0 0.420 0.2601 B12
19 20 West Virginia 16 528 0.3580 16 1121 0.3899 4 0 3 0 0 0.030 0.2593 East
20 24 Arizona State 20 343 0.2325 19 731 0.2543 7 7 8 7 11 0.290 0.2589 P12
21 28 Baylor 24 185 0.1254 21 560 0.1948 9 9 0 11 2 0.200 0.1734 B12
22 23 Michigan State 19 431 0.2922 22 495 0.1722 0 0 0 0 1 0.000 0.1548 B10
23 27 Houston 22 200 0.1356 24 274 0.0953 12 13 1 4 0 0.170 0.1336 CUSA
24 26 Texas A&M 23 198 0.1342 23 346 0.1203 0 0 2 6 5 0.070 0.1082 B12
25 17 Auburn 29 33 0.0224 26 192 0.0668 1 0 14 5 10 0.160 0.0831 SEC
26 31 Penn State 25 77 0.0522 28 88 0.0306 3 6 7 9 0 0.160 0.0809 B10
27 29 North Carolina 28 43 0.0292 32 33 0.0115 8 8 4 10 0 0.200 0.0802 ACC
28 21 Florida 26 72 0.0488 25 206 0.0717 0 0 6 0 4 0.040 0.0535 SEC
29 33 Notre Dame 30 31 0.0210 29 87 0.0303 0 1 0 0 7 0.010 0.0204 Ind
30 30 Washington 27 52 0.0353 30 67 0.0233 0 0 0 0 12 0.000 0.0195 P12
31 32 South Florida 31 30 0.0203 27 89 0.0310 0 10 0 0 0 0.000 0.0171 East
32 45 Rutgers 36 8 0.0054 37 10 0.0035 2 2 0 1 0 0.030 0.0130 East
33 NR Wake Forest 32 22 0.0149 31 40 0.0139 0 0 0 0 0 0.000 0.0096 ACC
34 36 Georgia 33 15 0.0102 33 32 0.0111 0 0 0 0 0 0.000 0.0071 SEC
35 34 SMU 34 11 0.0075 34 30 0.0104 0 0 0 0 0 0.000 0.0060 CUSA
36 22 Texas Tech 35 9 0.0061 35 19 0.0066 0 0 0 0 0 0.000 0.0042 B12
37 NR TCU 38 4 0.0027 36 15 0.0052 0 0 0 0 0 0.000 0.0026 MWC
38 39 Southern Miss 37 7 0.0047 39 2 0.0007 0 0 0 0 0 0.000 0.0018 CUSA
39 41 Cincinnati 0 0.0000 38 8 0.0028 0 0 0 0 0 0.000 0.0009 East
40 46 UL-Lafayette 0 0.0000 39 2 0.0007 0 0 0 0 0 0.000 0.0002 Sun
41 NR Hawaii 39 1 0.0007 0 0.0000 0 0 0 0 0 0.000 0.0002 WAC
42 25 Florida State 0 0.0000 41 1 0.0003 0 0 0 0 0 0.000 0.0001 ACC

[Native Okie]

Playing Tulsa does not help us, with strength of schedule. You could add ball State to that as well.

[kevinpate]

Playing Tulsa does not help us, with strength of schedule. You could add ball State to that as well.

Perhaps not, but for that matter, playing the annual cottonbowl gig this year likely dinna garner many tough opponent points either.

[Thunder]

This is going to be extremely close with OU vs OSU.

What if LSU and Alabama fail? OU and OSU wins all game but OSU lose to against OSU. Where will that leave OSU? What if all other teams have at least two losses, but OSU have only one loss? Both OU and OSU are very high ranking so when OSU lose, they shouldn't drop much or stay in 2nd. I think later on. Ou will go to 1 and OSU go to 2. Wonder how much OSU will drop if only losing one game while others have at least two losses. I wish...just a wish...OU and OSU meet again in SEC country. LOL

[Native Okie]

Sadly, OU and OSwho are at risk, On the horizon are the Boise States and Stanford. Both of whom should win out without too much trouble. Neither plays the difficulty of SEC or Big Ten or even Big 12 opponents week end week out. How many years will we have this discussion?

[dankrutka]

Sadly, OU and OSwho are at risk, On the horizon are the Boise States and Stanford. Both of whom should win out without too much trouble. Neither plays the difficulty of SEC or Big Ten or even Big 12 opponents week end week out. How many years will we have this discussion?

No they are not. If they win out either OU or OSU will stay above those teams.

[jn1780]

This is going to be extremely close with OU vs OSU.

What if LSU and Alabama fail? OU and OSU wins all game but OSU lose to against OSU. Where will that leave OSU? What if all other teams have at least two losses, but OSU have only one loss? Both OU and OSU are very high ranking so when OSU lose, they shouldn't drop much or stay in 2nd. I think later on. Ou will go to 1 and OSU go to 2. Wonder how much OSU will drop if only losing one game while others have at least two losses. I wish...just a wish...OU and OSU meet again in SEC country. LOL

All top five teams with two losses? Extremely unlikely. Someone in the top five most likely will end the season undefeated and there's a decent chance it will be two undefeated teams playing in the championship game with a third undefeated team complaining about how they should be playing in that game.

It will either be LSU or Alabama in the number 1 spot with everyone else fighting for number two.

[Dustin]

OKLAHOMA : #3

Perfect.

[betts]

If either Oklahoma or Oklahoma State run the table, they'll be playing for the NC, likely against Alabama or LSU. There is no chance Boise or Stanford beats them out for that position, as long as they win. If they lose, all bets are off. My son was at the 'Bama-OleMiss game this weekend, and he says 'Bama is loaded at every position but quarterback. Either team might be sorry they're playing them, in the long run.

[venture]

So the last computer did not like OU at all, putting them 5th which is why they fell to 3rd in the final composite compared to what I put earlier. Oklahoma State is overall #1 in the computers.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/bcs

BCS Harris Poll USA Today Computer Rankings
RK TEAM AVG PVS RK PTS % RK PTS % AVG A&H RB CM KM JS PW %
1 LSU .9522 NR 1 2819 .9891 2 1410 .9559 3 3 1 4 5 2 3 .920
2 Alabama .9519 NR 2 2744 .9628 3 1403 .9512 2 2 3 3 2 1 2 .950
3 Oklahoma .9301 NR 3 2684 .9418 1 1426 .9668 4 4 2 2 4 5 5 .890
4 Oklahoma State .8568 NR 6 2315 .8123 6 1173 .7953 1 1 4 1 1 4 1 .970
5 Boise State .8027 NR 5 2339 .8207 7 1172 .7946 6 6 5 5 7 8 6 .800
6 Wisconsin .7708 NR 4 2463 .8642 4 1262 .8556 11 10 8 14 17 6 12 .600
7 Clemson .7582 NR 8 2063 .7239 8 1028 .6969 5 5 6 6 3 3 4 .860
8 Stanford .7484 NR 7 2291 .8039 5 1222 .8285 8 8 9 8 20 15 10 .620
9 Arkansas .6263 NR 10 1805 .6333 10 931 .6312 8 15 11 17 8 7 8 .620
10 Oregon .6190 NR 9 1955 .6860 8 1028 .6969 12 16 7 16 13 11 18 .480
11 Kansas State .5688 NR 12 1457 .5112 16 678 .4597 7 7 10 7 6 9 7 .740
12 Virginia Tech .5048 NR 16 1259 .4418 14 688 .4664 10 12 13 9 9 14 9 .610
13 Nebraska .4972 NR 11 1484 .5207 11 775 .5254 15 17 12 15 16 12 16 .450
14 South Carolina .4914 NR 13 1396 .4898 12 765 .5186 13 9 15 13 12 20 17 .470
15 West Virginia .3730 NR 14 1359 .4768 14 688 .4664 21 23 25 20 18 19 24 .180
16 Michigan State .3288 NR 15 1290 .4526 13 690 .4678 24 25 19 23 0 0 23 .070
17 Texas A&M .3074 NR 19 779 .2733 18 415 .2814 18 18 18 22 10 16 15 .370
18 Michigan .2995 NR 17 914 .3207 17 458 .3105 20 14 20 10 23 0 20 .270
19 Houston .2863 NR 22 562 .1972 20 359 .2434 16 11 0 12 19 18 13 .420
20 Auburn .2645 NR 21 565 .1982 23 202 .1369 14 19 14 25 14 10 11 .460
21 Penn State .2311 NR 24 293 .1028 22 253 .1715 16 20 0 11 15 13 14 .420
22 Georgia Tech .1968 NR 18 839 .2944 19 396 .2685 27 24 0 24 25 0 0 .030
23 Illinois .1516 NR 20 571 .2004 21 260 .1763 22 22 22 18 0 0 0 .080
24 Texas .1348 NR NR 77 .0270 NR 26 .0176 19 13 0 19 11 17 19 .360
25 Washington .0871 NR 25 240 .0842 24 174 .1180 25 0 16 0 0 21 25 .060

[dankrutka]

One computer would not affect OU's ranking, right? Aren't the highest and lowest computer rankings dropped?

[jn1780]

So the last computer did not like OU at all, putting them 5th which is why they fell to 3rd in the final composite compared to what I put earlier. Oklahoma State is overall #1 in the computers.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/bcs

BCS Harris Poll USA Today Computer Rankings
RK TEAM AVG PVS RK PTS % RK PTS % AVG A&H RB CM KM JS PW %
1 LSU .9522 NR 1 2819 .9891 2 1410 .9559 3 3 1 4 5 2 3 .920
2 Alabama .9519 NR 2 2744 .9628 3 1403 .9512 2 2 3 3 2 1 2 .950
3 Oklahoma .9301 NR 3 2684 .9418 1 1426 .9668 4 4 2 2 4 5 5 .890
4 Oklahoma State .8568 NR 6 2315 .8123 6 1173 .7953 1 1 4 1 1 4 1 .970
5 Boise State .8027 NR 5 2339 .8207 7 1172 .7946 6 6 5 5 7 8 6 .800
6 Wisconsin .7708 NR 4 2463 .8642 4 1262 .8556 11 10 8 14 17 6 12 .600
7 Clemson .7582 NR 8 2063 .7239 8 1028 .6969 5 5 6 6 3 3 4 .860
8 Stanford .7484 NR 7 2291 .8039 5 1222 .8285 8 8 9 8 20 15 10 .620
9 Arkansas .6263 NR 10 1805 .6333 10 931 .6312 8 15 11 17 8 7 8 .620
10 Oregon .6190 NR 9 1955 .6860 8 1028 .6969 12 16 7 16 13 11 18 .480
11 Kansas State .5688 NR 12 1457 .5112 16 678 .4597 7 7 10 7 6 9 7 .740
12 Virginia Tech .5048 NR 16 1259 .4418 14 688 .4664 10 12 13 9 9 14 9 .610
13 Nebraska .4972 NR 11 1484 .5207 11 775 .5254 15 17 12 15 16 12 16 .450
14 South Carolina .4914 NR 13 1396 .4898 12 765 .5186 13 9 15 13 12 20 17 .470
15 West Virginia .3730 NR 14 1359 .4768 14 688 .4664 21 23 25 20 18 19 24 .180
16 Michigan State .3288 NR 15 1290 .4526 13 690 .4678 24 25 19 23 0 0 23 .070
17 Texas A&M .3074 NR 19 779 .2733 18 415 .2814 18 18 18 22 10 16 15 .370
18 Michigan .2995 NR 17 914 .3207 17 458 .3105 20 14 20 10 23 0 20 .270
19 Houston .2863 NR 22 562 .1972 20 359 .2434 16 11 0 12 19 18 13 .420
20 Auburn .2645 NR 21 565 .1982 23 202 .1369 14 19 14 25 14 10 11 .460
21 Penn State .2311 NR 24 293 .1028 22 253 .1715 16 20 0 11 15 13 14 .420
22 Georgia Tech .1968 NR 18 839 .2944 19 396 .2685 27 24 0 24 25 0 0 .030
23 Illinois .1516 NR 20 571 .2004 21 260 .1763 22 22 22 18 0 0 0 .080
24 Texas .1348 NR NR 77 .0270 NR 26 .0176 19 13 0 19 11 17 19 .360
25 Washington .0871 NR 25 240 .0842 24 174 .1180 25 0 16 0 0 21 25 .060

If I didn't read your posts carefully I would think you were talking about weather models. Can these BCS models be used to predict if we will see a lot of snow this winter? LOL

[venture]

One computer would not affect OU's ranking, right? Aren't the highest and lowest computer rankings dropped?

Looking at OU specifically...

3 Oklahoma .9301 NR 3 2684 .9418 1 1426 .9668 4 4 2 2 4 5 5 .890

So we have two ranking OU 2nd, three ranking OU 4th, and two ranking OU 5th. So the earlier list had a 2nd place one removed and - at that time - the only 5th place computer removed. However, once the second 5th place computer came in, that drove the average lower since another low rank came in. So yes, highest and lowest were dropped...but a second lowest one of equal value was added into the mix.

If I didn't read your posts carefully I would think you were talking about weather models. Can these BCS models be used to predict if we will see a lot of snow this winter? LOL

LOL No doubt. I'm not sure if I would want to entrust the weather forecast to the BCS though. :-)

[dmoor82]

OU is getting BLASTED 21-7 so far in the 1st half!OU's D looks like SHIOT!