Mark Shannon and his anti-MAPS3 diatribe

[metro]

So I've been tuning into KTOK the last few days after work at 5pm. Mark Shannon's show is basically bashing MAPS 3 everyday, and MAPS 3 is a conspiracy yada yada. I called into the show to show my support of MAPS 3, got me on air, hung up as soon as I disagreed with him. I called back and they said yeah you disagreed with him so we hung up on you. I said so oh, you cry on air that no one calls in supporting MAPS when in fact they do but you hang up on them. Mark Shannon is a whiny punk that needs to be exposed for what he is.

[LakeEffect]

What's his conspiracy theory?

[kevinpate]

Just curious, is he completely against MAPs3, or is he against MAPs3 because he thinks there should instead be a tax increase for fire and policia?

I suspect the former, based solely on some postings here at OKCTalk but I don't tune in so decided asking made sense.

[LordGerald]

So I've been tuning into KTOK the last few days after work at 5pm. Mark Shannon's show is basically bashing MAPS 3 everyday, and MAPS 3 is a conspiracy yada yada. I called into the show to show my support of MAPS 3, got me on air, hung up as soon as I disagreed with him. I called back and they said yeah you disagreed with him so we hung up on you. I said so oh, you cry on air that no one calls in supporting MAPS when in fact they do but you hang up on them. Mark Shannon is a whiny punk that needs to be exposed for what he is.

Mark lives in Edmond, so like David Glover, he doesn't have a dog in the fight.

[kevinpate]

... like David Glover, he doesn't have a dog in the fight.

That's a name I've not seen in a spell. Did he sit this round of out, or have I simply had DG blindness?

[iron76hd]

What's his conspiracy theory?

Take a look! It's no conspiracy. It's facts!
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Keep calling. I'd love to hear him beat down your thoughts on why this is good for Oklahoma City.

Mark Shannon is a whiny punk that needs to be exposed for what he is.

He must have really gotten under your skin. It's ok for him to differ in opinion and vote you know. It's the American way. I've only see him things that are FACTS..the speculation on what THIS maps will do for the city...has been done by the CITY...and the chamber etc...

What's your evil plan for exposure?

[soonerguru]

Is Mark Shannon a teabagger? I don't listen to his show, but from what I read here he seems like a "Palin/Beck 2012" guy to me. It says a lot about the overall worthlessness of KTOK that they would grant this lying buffoon airtime.

[jbrown84]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure he's a teabagger.

And it's pretty offensive that he's railing against something HE CAN'T EVEN VOTE ON.

How would you like some Canadian or Brit getting on TV every day and telling you who to vote for for president?

[betts]

The people who listen to Mark Shannon were almost assuredly going to vote "no" regardless. He was also against the Ford Center MAPS, and clearly that had no effect on the outcome of the election. He's only pro-police and fire because it suits him, because I can almost guarantee you he is decidedly anti-union.

[Doug Loudenback]

So I've been tuning into KTOK the last few days after work at 5pm. Mark Shannon's show is basically bashing MAPS 3 everyday, and MAPS 3 is a conspiracy yada yada. I called into the show to show my support of MAPS 3, got me on air, hung up as soon as I disagreed with him. I called back and they said yeah you disagreed with him so we hung up on you. I said so oh, you cry on air that no one calls in supporting MAPS when in fact they do but you hang up on them. Mark Shannon is a whiny punk that needs to be exposed for what he is.

That goes without saying, Metro. Not worth the time to bother.

[bombermwc]

How'd I guess that iron would have to comment on this one....

[BDP]

Mark lives in Edmond, so like David Glover, he doesn't have a dog in the fight.

I suspect a lot of the opposition lives in surrounding communities. They want development to continue to leave the city for their community to increase their tax base as the city's erodes. Strengthening the core with regionally competitive services and facilities is the best way for the city to maintain its strength in the region and I think a lot of people outside the city don't want that to happen.

[BDP]

the speculation on what THIS maps will do for the city...has been done by the CITY...and the chamber etc...

And the speculation has been countered with even wilder speculation by special interest groups who aren't even effected by the vote and are speciously using it as an attention grab and playing to people's fear. What they are basically saying is that every tax initiative that doesn't give THEM a disproportionate share of revenue is somehow AGAINST them. It's as if every funding initiative is about them and it's just not that way.

[LordGerald]

I suspect a lot of the opposition lives in surrounding communities. They want development to continue to leave the city for their community to increase their tax base as the city's erodes. Strengthening the core with regionally competitive services and facilities is the best way for the city to maintain its strength in the region and I think a lot of people outside the city don't want that to happen.

It is my understanding, too, that a substantial percentage of OKC Police and Fire personnel don't live in OKC city limits. I recall during the December 2007 GO Bond election that the city's PIO had a hard time finding qualified police personnel to promote the election, when most were not eligible to vote. I call it hypocrisy, but their influence in my neighborhood is pretty powerful. I'm the only one on my street and block with "Yes" signs, amidst a sea of "Not This Maps" signs.

[kevinpate]

I'm the only one on my street and block with "Yes" signs, amidst a sea of "Not This Maps" signs.

I'm curious. If you were there and can recall, what was your street like during the Finish the Ford Center vote, or the last big bond issue, or MAPs4Kids or the public safety dedicated tax or MAPs original?

[iron76hd]

Is Mark Shannon a teabagger?

That's classy. From the same whiny folks that cry personal attacks every other post.

He was also against the Ford Center MAPS, and clearly that had no effect on the outcome of the election.

I'm not sure that's true betts. I'm sure he's said he was for the first two MAPS.

And it's pretty offensive that he's railing against something HE CAN'T EVEN VOTE ON.

There are several on this site that's can't vote either, but that doesn't keep them from putting their two cents in.

I don't listen to his show, but from what I read here he seems like a "Palin/Beck 2012" guy to me.

That's a laugh. I'm pretty sure the majority of the supporters of this TAX are Palin/Beck guys and gals. Right? Let's see. Aren't Hump, the mayor, norick and the like Conservatives? Those are your people aren't they? They are the ones your following blindly. Get a clue>

[CuatrodeMayo]

[BDP]

Those are your people aren't they?

That's what funny about the opposition. It's more about the "us against them" rebel mentality and not so much about what is best for the city long term. I don't particularly like a lot of these people or like how they conduct business, but the benefits of MAPS will be around a lot longer than they are, as will the eroding position of the city in the region if MAPS does not pass. I'm not going to deny my city a chance to remain competitive in the future or have my kids grow up in the same half-assed city I grew up in just to spite a few arrogant politicians.

The funny thing is that the first MAPS had many of the problems the opposition suggests will happen with this one: funding shortage (we had to vote on it twice to pay for it), compromised projects (many were not built exactly the way it was first proposed), and questionable oversight. However, the difference it made on the city is invaluable, even if you just consider the elevated confidence it gave the community as a whole. So, really I think this MAPS could stand to be compromised and still have an tremendous positive impact. If they screw it up and they lose the politicians lose their jobs over it, I will feel no sympathy for them. In fact, I would do what I can as a citizen to bring light to that failure.

You never know for sure what will really happen. But the one thing you can say for certain is that a no vote on December 8 GUARANTEES at least a compromise on all these projects if any of them get built at all in the next ten years, even if that compromise is simply a delay, which, imo, would be a catastrophe for the city. Even if some projects are built later through a different funding source (i.e debt), the delay will assure a loss in competitive advantage.

In the end, a YES vote is the only thing that gives the city a CHANCE to compete in the future, even with its own suburbs. I am pretty sure it won't meet all the promises or maybe not be a pretty as the current renderings, but at least it will be moving forward to ensure the city's viability within the region.

[iron76hd]

It is my understanding, too, that a substantial percentage of OKC Police and Fire personnel don't live in OKC city limits.

Substantial percentage? Wrong.

but their influence in my neighborhood is pretty powerful. I'm the only one on my street and block with "Yes" signs, amidst a sea of "Not This Maps" signs.

It's not because of Police and Fire this isn't going to pass. Citizens are seeing through the bull and are struggling. Unfortunately, you and the few others that are Pro-maps are in the minority. Unless, they just don't get out and vote. This MAPS vote will be a resounding NO. NO to MAPS folks are voting No for a myriad of reasons. Many are NO despite the Police and Fire issues.

[LakeEffect]

Substantial percentage? Wrong.

It's not because of Police and Fire this isn't going to pass. Citizens are seeing through the bull and are struggling. Unfortunately, you and the few others that are Pro-maps are in the minority. Unless, they just don't get out and vote. This MAPS vote will be a resounding NO. NO to MAPS folks are voting No for a myriad of reasons. Many are NO despite the Police and Fire issues.

I've heard TV media say that 2/3 of fire and police personnel live outside the City limits. If that's true, then I'd call it a substantial percentage.

Where are your polling numbers that say Maps will fail? Explain how you know how residents will vote.

[Lindsay Architect]

I used to listen because he was interesting even thought he's a little far out sometimes, but he's said many many times he lives in Edmond... So really who wants to hear the same rant everyday? If I only had a dollar for everytime he mentioned the words "Mick Cornett" and "Ackerman McQueen" and "Chamber of Commerce" - It's got to effect their ratings Maps shouldn't be drug into a conservative vs libral fight it's rediculous, its a penny per dollar that's already there...

[LordGerald]

Substantial percentage? Wrong.

It's not because of Police and Fire this isn't going to pass. Citizens are seeing through the bull and are struggling. Unfortunately, you and the few others that are Pro-maps are in the minority. Unless, they just don't get out and vote. This MAPS vote will be a resounding NO. NO to MAPS folks are voting No for a myriad of reasons. Many are NO despite the Police and Fire issues.

I'm not going to start a fight with you, but based on my sources, about 60 percent of OKC PD do not live in the city limits. That is what I heard from city staff.

[LordGerald]

I'm curious. If you were there and can recall, what was your street like during the Finish the Ford Center vote, or the last big bond issue, or MAPs4Kids or the public safety dedicated tax or MAPs original?

I must admit that I have a professional interest in city elections. I work for a group that has contracts with the city.

Having said that, I can recall being the only one on my block with yes signs for the Ford Center vote, the GO Bond issue and Maps for Kids. I live in an older neighborhood west of downtown that could be considered a gentrified neighborhood. I also vote in every single election.

My neighbors respect my community standing and my political beliefs. I was also one of the few with an Obama sign in my yard...

[kevinpate]

I must admit that I have a professional interest in city elections. I work for a group that has contracts with the city.

Having said that, I can recall being the only one on my block with yes signs for the Ford Center vote, the GO Bond issue and Maps for Kids. I live in an older neighborhood west of downtown that could be considered a gentrified neighborhood. I also vote in every single election.

My neighbors respect my community standing and my political beliefs. I was also one of the few with an Obama sign in my yard...

Ok, so while not conclusive, it does seems you are often on the victorious side in final vote tallys, notwithstanding residing in an area where your position garners minimal support from your neighbors.

May your record also be intact after the Dec. 8 votes are cast.

[Slivermoon]

Substantial percentage? Wrong.

It's not because of Police and Fire this isn't going to pass. Citizens are seeing through the bull and are struggling. Unfortunately, you and the few others that are Pro-maps are in the minority. Unless, they just don't get out and vote. This MAPS vote will be a resounding NO. NO to MAPS folks are voting No for a myriad of reasons. Many are NO despite the Police and Fire issues.

Substantial percentage wrong? With only 1/3 of fire employees living in OKC? How is that wrong?