OKC ranked 9th dirtiest city in America?

[bucktalk]

Would love to hear from our mayor to know his viewpoint....

https://www.lawnstarter.com/blog/stu...united-states/

[Bowser214]

Their study is based on their criteria for a dirty city. I don't think OKC is trashy. Tulsa ranked 22. Tulsa's not a dirty city. We don't have a pollution problem. The study is done by LawnStarter.....who cares. Means nothing.

[Just the facts]

They obviously don't count human waste on the sidewalk and drug needles as "dirty".

[Zuplar]

I’m personally not surprised. I’ve always thought our city was a little on the dirty side. Even in some of the nicest areas I tend to see more litter and unkempt things then I think should be there.

[Rover]

They obviously don't count human waste on the sidewalk and drug needles as "dirty".

This sounds more like a political statement than a scientific or ecological one.

[Jake]

I like how it hyperlinks the exact same article you’re already reading within the article.

Regardless, I always love reading my favorite Lawn Starter columnist, “Staff Writer.”

[mugofbeer]

First, no. No possible way. Pure BS.
Second, look at the source. Lawnstarter? Why even post it?

[gjl]

The way household trash is picker up plus the wind we always seem to have contributes to a lot of litter. Also many people seem to think just throwing trash out of their cars and trucks is OK. I live on a busy through street and seem to be always picking up others trash on my property.

[Celebrator]

This sounds more like a political statement than a scientific or ecological one.

How is this political? It's fact in many cities and has been for a while.

[GoGators]

They obviously don't count human waste on the sidewalk and drug needles as "dirty".

The human waste on sidewalks isn’t a problem here because OKC doesn’t have any sidewalks. We are playing chess while everyone else is playing checkers.

[HangryHippo]

The human waste on sidewalks isn’t a problem here because OKC doesn’t have any sidewalks. We are playing chess while everyone else is playing checkers.

Savage. lol

[Just the facts]

How is this political? It's fact in many cities and has been for a while.

That is Rover just being Rover. Roll your eyes and move on.

[EtanEiko]

One comment I hear regularly from out of towners is how clean OKC is. Would like to know the criteria they used.

[Just the facts]

One comment I hear regularly from out of towners is how clean OKC is. Would like to know the criteria they used.

The methodology is in the article.

[April in the Plaza]

That is Rover just being Rover. Roll your eyes and move on.

Beautifully said, JTF!

[Rover]

How is this political? It's fact in many cities and has been for a while.

Because it is greatly an anecdotal observation and not a measured statistic. It is usually used by persons who have an ideological grudge against certain cities they view as more liberal.

I was surprised it was from JTF because I respect most of his positions a great deal. They are almost always based in facts and not emotions, and he is almost always more knowledgeable about the subject than 98% of the other posters.

I love OKC and have chosen to live here for more than a half century. But having traveled extensively for those years, I have a hard time disagreeing with OKC being one of the dirtier cities. Trash on the streets, in parking areas, in public areas, in private yards, is pervasive. I wish more people were proud of their neighborhoods and cities and took more care to not create trash and eyesores. It costs nothing to stoop over and pick up a piece of trash, or to not throw it down in the first place.

I apologize for "eye rolling" comments. I just read a lot of ill or un-informed information on this board from time to time and question it. I tend to think of this board as a non-typical social media with a higher standard for facts. I often try to present a counter point and question of the basis of an opinion or observation that seems to be, or I know to be off the rails. When we challenge each other in a good way, I think we all become better informed and less naïve. I have been informed many times based on what I have read here and have changed opinions because of it.

[Laramie]

Their study is based on their criteria for a dirty city. I don't think OKC is trashy. Tulsa ranked 22. Tulsa's not a dirty city. We don't have a pollution problem. The study is done by LawnStarter.....who cares. Means nothing.

Tulsa ranked #22. That's where they lost their credibility.

[BDP]

Because it is greatly an anecdotal observation and not a measured statistic.

It's also kind of indicative of how varied people's experience can be within the same city. I think this is especially true in a city like OKC, where the sprawling geography can really insulate parts of the population from others.

I often hear people discuss problems of homelessness and drug addition, like needles and feces, in other cities as if that isn't present in Oklahoma City. Unfortunately, there are parts of the city where it it is as much an issue and as visible as it is in the cities typically associated with these problems.

As for these rankings, the basis for the scoring seems to incorporate a lot of different metrics across several different categories and then an arbitrary weighting system was applied. I don't think it really shows the relative "dirtiness" of the cities it ranks, in terms of trash in the streets, etc. In fact, all the other metrics considered are probably obscuring that conclusion. IMO, The raw data for each metric would be more useful and more interesting than the weighted composite score they came up with.

[EtanEiko]

I don't want to add a click to their non sense, so fill me in maybe?

[BDP]

I don't want to add a click to their non sense, so fill me in maybe?

I think you have come to the correct conclusion with the information you have. lol

[Celebrator]

Because it is greatly an anecdotal observation and not a measured statistic. It is usually used by persons who have an ideological grudge against certain cities they view as more liberal.

I was surprised it was from JTF because I respect most of his positions a great deal. They are almost always based in facts and not emotions, and he is almost always more knowledgeable about the subject than 98% of the other posters.

I love OKC and have chosen to live here for more than a half century. But having traveled extensively for those years, I have a hard time disagreeing with OKC being one of the dirtier cities. Trash on the streets, in parking areas, in public areas, in private yards, is pervasive. I wish more people were proud of their neighborhoods and cities and took more care to not create trash and eyesores. It costs nothing to stoop over and pick up a piece of trash, or to not throw it down in the first place.

I apologize for "eye rolling" comments. I just read a lot of ill or un-informed information on this board from time to time and question it. I tend to think of this board as a non-typical social media with a higher standard for facts. I often try to present a counter point and question of the basis of an opinion or observation that seems to be, or I know to be off the rails. When we challenge each other in a good way, I think we all become better informed and less naïve. I have been informed many times based on what I have read here and have changed opinions because of it.

Yeah, to be so quick to make it political just makes me want to jump ship, that's why I fired back. And anecdotal evidence is also known as eye-witness evidence, which should carry weight! I see parts of a city that are trashed, then I can report on what I see! We should be able to come on here and not make these comments politically charged.

In my travels both here and abroad, I have noticed that cities have just become more unkempt over the years. Actually, two weeks ago I was in the Chicago area and I was shocked by how litter-filled certain public spaces were. Same along the highways in the St. Louis area. I thought it was more of an OKC problem, so I specifically look for it when on the road just to see how we are doing. Bottom line is, where there are lots of people, there's generally lots of litter. We were in Dublin and Belfast in November and same thing. Plus, way more graffiti over there, and in other US cities compared to here, which is really nice to not have a lot of. Even driving from the airport in Manchester, NH each summer I am always surprised to see how much graffiti there is on NH (!) highway infrastructure. Other cities with lots of trash and graffiti I have seen in person lately would be Portland, Oregon (really, really bad and much worse than even 5 years ago) and Phoenix. Here, I really believe that our wind causes 50% of our litter. Stuff escapes people's trash bins, hands, and truck beds (totally preventable and maddening though it is) and that is why we see more litter here. Truly, I think it plays a part in it.

[OKCbyTRANSFER]

And many just don't care. Throw it out the window for someone else to (maybe) pick up

[jn1780]

If you look at the methodology, CO2 output is weighted more heavily than other catagories. Recycling is also weighted more. Being a car centric city, it's not surprising they rated us low on air polution.

The blog I'm sure makes money from clicks on ads selling electric mowers so its helps to make people in a region known for lots of lawns to feel bad.

[Rover]

If you look at the methodology, CO2 output is weighted more heavily than other catagories. Recycling is also weighted more. Being a car centric city, it's not surprising they rated us low on air polution.

The blog I'm sure makes money from clicks on ads selling electric mowers so its helps to make people in a region known for lots of lawns to feel bad.

Virtually all content platforms try to make money from people viewing them. Doesn’t make the info either true or not true. At least this site published their criteria. Everyone can accept its validity or not. We all tend to love those that flatter us and denigrate those that make us look bad.

[mugofbeer]

The human waste on sidewalks isn’t a problem here because OKC doesn’t have any sidewalks. We are playing chess while everyone else is playing checkers.

LOL OKC has just as many sidewalks as any similar city. It isn't New York.