MAP IV (Oklahoma City 2017) possible extension date: December 2017

[Laramie]

Brainstorm session: November 2015 - November 2016

“Think for yourself and let others enjoy the privilege of doing so too.” --Voltaire

Created this thread to capture the ideas & imaginations of citizens, posters and participants of OKCTALK.

Subject: Ideas for MAPS IV ballot; an extension of the penny tax that will not increase OKC sales taxes.

Note: Please feel free to post as many ideas as possible.

This tax extension is not to be confused with the current attempt to generate millions of dollars for schools through a one cent increase in the state's sales tax.

actual brainstorming activity

Brainstorming enables people to suggest ideas at random. Your job as facilitator is to encourage everyone to participate, to dismiss nothing, and to prevent others from pouring scorn on the wilder suggestions (some of the best ideas are initially the daftest ones - added to which people won't participate if their suggestions are criticised)...

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[ljbab728]

We have a previous thread on this exact same thing.

http://www.okctalk.com/general-civic...-maps-4-a.html

[Laramie]

We have a previous thread on this exact same thing.

http://www.okctalk.com/general-civic...-maps-4-a.html

We aware of that thread which got derailed...

[mugofbeer]

I like Laramie's graphics better.

[Laramie]

An Oklahoma City all purpose Velodrome on the riverfront which could be used for other purposes; include an Olympic size pool which could be built on the south parcel of the Oklahoma river near the American Indian Cultural Center & Museum.

Price range approximate: $150 million.

[gopokes88]

I think expanding street car all the way up Classen to CHK/whole foods would pay enormous dividends to the city. Density along Classen would explode, CHK and OCU would love it, and provides an easy way to get from downtown to PSM.

[thetophologist]

From MAPS 4 Neighborhoods facebook page:

We love Oklahoma City and want to see it flourish and thrive! Let's harness the power of MAPS to lift all citizens. We're hoping that MAPS4 could be focused on others in our city, especially those who have not been as served in our previous MAPS.

Our goal is to have half of funds in our next MAPS go specifically towards neighborhoods across the city.

“Cities have the capability of providing something for everybody, only because, and only when, they are created by everybody.”
― Jane Jacobs, The Death and Life of Great American Cities

Our hope is we might dream about and then see realized the coming together of in the OKC community who care about our neighborhoods and would like to see the next MAPS focus on connectivity, health and culture.

Here are some ideas to get us started:

Connectivity
- Sidewalks in core
- Connecting neighborhoods to neighborhoods
- Sponsoring, incentivizing neighborhood initiatives and beautification (Streetlights, updated signs, sidewalks)
- Bike lanes connecting neighborhood retail to other districts
- Bus rapid transit
- Continued streetcar infrastructure

Health
- Food in schools
- Kitchen equipment in schools
- Walking to school- sidewalks
- Biking to school- bikelanes
- Incentives for restaurants to go into food deserts
- Different types of parks for underused, under-utilized current facilities

Culture
- Arts- public art
- Interactive art
- Public spaces for outdoor events
- Good Ideas initiative


We're looking for new ideas, great ideas. This is just a start to get us talking about what we want to see.
Join in the conversation!

https://www.facebook.com/#!/maps4neighborhoods/?fref=ts

[OKCRT]

I think expanding street car all the way up Classen to CHK/whole foods would pay enormous dividends to the city. Density along Classen would explode, CHK and OCU would love it, and provides an easy way to get from downtown to PSM.

Yes expand the streetcar and finish the CC properly. Those will be the 2 big ticket items IMO. Build a park and ride streetcar stop out around baptist Hosp somewhere to take advantage of the busiest and most populated part of the city.

[johnnyhooper]

Dome the city.

[ljbab728]

An Oklahoma City all purpose Velodrome on the riverfront which could be used for other purposes; include an Olympic size pool which could be built on the south parcel of the Oklahoma river near the American Indian Cultural Center & Museum.

Price range approximate: $150 million.

Uh, no. For $150 million, there are multitudes of things OKC needs more than that in a new MAPS. I'm not saying it is a bad idea, just that it's not practical and would drag down a possible yes vote.

[Laramie]

Uh, no. For $150 million, there are multitudes of things OKC needs more than that in a new MAPS. I'm not saying it is a bad idea, just that it's not practical and would drag down a possible yes vote.

Just gathering ideas at the moment Ijbab so that posters can feel free to post. This is a brainstorming thread for MAPS IV ideas.

[JAW]

In addition to necessary Streetcar extension to as much of the metro as feasible and the velodrome to replace the Pull A Part yard:

Build the National Memorials and Museums for Operation Enduring Freedom and Operation Iraqi Freedom. Preferably placed at the southernmost part of Central Park near the river itself. At the river, a boardwalk with two stories of retail/restaurant/cafe/balconies lining the river, with options to sit and interact by the river or on the other side facing the park and memorial. Just behind this boardwalk, a tall 150-200 ft Eagle statue with wings stretched out horizontally, solemn expression (wings almost like protective).

Just behind the Eagle, the two interconnected buildings of the same size for the two museums for each conflict. Much of its content will be underground to help save space (don't want to take up too much above ground area for the new park area, but still want room for good museums). The museums will have artifacts (how military equipment changes, what an IED looks like, etc), chronological history tours, done similar to the WWI Memorial in Kansas City. It would also call attention to some of the issues impacting veterans of both wars, provide support to Wounded Warrior foundation and similar efforts to help the veterans. The idea is to be ethical, honorable, historic, bipartisan, artistic, and sophisticated in the representation of the wars, and inspire proactive assistance, at the individual and national level, to get veterans the help they need for PTSD and depression. Ideally, it would include a facility to help conduct research and treatment of PTSD. And although it is done with sincerity to educate and motivate, the practical benefit is a tourist attraction to both educate, motivate, as well as spend money in downtown OKC, to compliment the OKC Bombing Memorial and the hopefully completed AICC.

Each museum will have a large eagle wing structure protruding from it's roof, like two wings rising up at 45 degree angles compared to the horizontal wings of the Eagle statue. These wings may be larger in scale to the statue, but the idea is from the river it looks like the Eagles' wings are in motion starting to rise.

Just behind the museum buildings will be two skyscrapers, hopefully 600 feet tall, designed like two wings perpendicular to the ground, whose feathers are tapering off in equal but varied lengths. At this point they look more like angel wings pointing to the sky. The "wing skyscrapers" will have a gap between them, which is where the Devon Tower can be seen in the distance. A quick comparison, to those familiar with the Marvel movies, would be the throne of Asgard building in Thor (based off of Icelandic churches), but divided in half and pulled apart by about 75 feet, and the tapering off toward the sides would be a little less dramatic.

The first two floors of the wing skyscrapers will be retail, with good ground interaction. The skyscrapers will primarily have residential, but maybe some office as well. They are intended to represent some of the "Riverfront Towers" that we've seen in various C2S material. And right behind it, the majority of the Central Park. So the image then is it goes from Eagle statue (wings 0 degrees), Wings coming out of museums (larger, 45 degrees), to Wing skyscrapers (even larger in scale, 90 degrees)

I imagine all of this (boardwalk, statue, museum, skyscrapers) might take up to .20 of a mile North/South, from the north bank of the OK River, heading into the Central Park and Core. The museums and skyscrapers are intended to be "thin", East West in width. The rest of the area around the park and memorial should be done European style, with buildings right up to the streets facing the park with minimal if not nonexistent surface parking.

[Spartan]

I think OKC needs to wait and see how successful streetcar is before thinking about BRT. If streetcar takes off, we should build on that success with as much streetcar as possible.

[Laramie]

Finish the American Indian Cultural Center & Museum...

Provide landscape for at lease 2 more museum prospects in that south parcel area.

[Laramie]

Riverfront development to finish the American Indian Cultural Center & Museum.

Provide $50 million:

$25 million to finish the (AICCM) museum
$25 million for 2 access bridges & landscape roads along the north & south parcels to spur private development.

Build at least 2 bridges to connect the north-south parcels beginning with the area west of Eastern Avenue leading to the American Indian Cultural Center & Museum & west Western Avenue near the old abandon air park.

The old abandoned railroad line bridge (between Western & Exchange Avenues) could be used as a fishing peer & pedestrian boardwalk similar to what you have in Tulsa (above) with a more modern look.

[Urbanized]

That rail line is in almost daily use.

[zookeeper]

JAW: Your proposal for a museum in OKC for the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq is not going to happen. A memorial somwhere for all those killed and maimed? Yes, absolutely. But a museum for the most unpopular and unsuccessful wars in American history? I don't think so. Saddam was not a nice guy, but his Ba'ath Party was a stabilizing influence in the Middle East. Which, btw, is why GHW Bush 41 refused to march to Baghdad after the Gulf War in '91. His son made one of the (maybe THE biggest) foreign policy mistakes in history which has de-stabilized the entire region. The result is the chaos you see today. A museum dedicated to these horrible decisions in Oklahoma City is wrongheaded, in my opinion. A memorial someplace? The veterans - dead, maimed, and alive deserve that. But a museum that you, yourself, seem to admit is a back-door exploitation for a tourist attraction is just...too much and has no place in Oklahoma City.

[JAW]

JAW: Your proposal for a museum in OKC for the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq is not going to happen. A memorial somwhere for all those killed and maimed? Yes, absolutely. But a museum for the most unpopular and unsuccessful wars in American history? I don't think so. Saddam was not a nice guy, but his Ba'ath Party was a stabilizing influence in the Middle East. Which, btw, is why GHW Bush 41 refused to march to Baghdad after the Gulf War in '91. His son made one of the (maybe THE biggest) foreign policy mistakes in history which has de-stabilized the entire region. The result is the chaos you see today. A museum dedicated to these horrible decisions in Oklahoma City is wrongheaded, in my opinion. A memorial someplace? The veterans - dead, maimed, and alive deserve that. But a museum that you, yourself, seem to admit is a back-door exploitation for a tourist attraction is just...too much and has no place in Oklahoma City.

Your self congratulatory indignation and tendentious response is duly noted, and what I would expect from your perspective. Thank you for representing it so perfectly.

The purpose of such a museum is to depict history, not run away from it and pretend it didn't happen because its unpopular or controversial. The two wars are two of the most important, seminal events for a generation of Americans. We have museums and memorials dedicated to horrendous tragedies, as reminders, as documents of history, and the best ones portray everything, ask and attempt to provide answers for every possible question about the tragedy and controversy in question.

The museum at Little Bighorn Battlefields covers a serious of bad and unethical decisions on the American side, but covers it nonetheless, and provides context and information about the strategic, operational, and tactical decisions that were good, bad, and mixed leading to the defeat of Custer (and, subsequently, the defeat of the Sioux and allies in the aftermath). Just because the decision to take the Sioux lands was immoral (or not, as maybe the result of historic momentum?), and the military decisions were dumb (or not, as they succeeded in other engagements?), doesn't invalidate the existence or need for such a museum. History is complex, and good historians know that.

[zookeeper]

Your self congratulatory indignation and tendentious response is duly noted, and what I would expect from your perspective. Thank you for representing it so perfectly.

Where did that come from? Self-congratulatory? Indignant? What you would expect from my perspective? Representing what so perfectly?

I'm serious, by the way. I'm not sure where you got all of the above from a post that just gave my opinion. You don't have to agree with it, don't even have to like my presentation, but I didn't attack you personally for your idea.

[Laramie]

That rail line is in almost daily use.

Really, last time I visited that area they removed the tracks.

[Laramie]

Reminder: Brainstorming thread. Please avoid critiques...

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We need your ideas:

Here are some previous OKCTALK MAPS IV thread ideas you may want to revisit:

MAPS IV
MAPS IV & Transportation Bond Package Wishlist
MAPS 4 Brainstorming
MAPS 4 Infrastructure
MAPS 4 Neighborhoods

[hoya]

Okay, let's do some brainstorming.


1) Hoverboard park.
This is the skatepark Lexus built for its real hoverboard | The Verge

2) Build a boardwalk along the north edge of the Oklahoma river, between Western and Shields. Have State Fair level rides along the shore year-round.

3) Direct rail access from Will Rogers to downtown.

[Plutonic Panda]

The hoverboard park would be cool. I'd also like to see a Velodrome.

[Bellaboo]

I think direct rail access from WRWA would be great.

[Laramie]

I think direct rail access from WRWA would be great.

This would be a game-changer.