United States City stadiums and arenas--proposed and upgrades.

[Laramie]

San Antonio Alamodome

San Antonio MSA population (1990 - 1,324,749) (2023 est - 2,703,999)
Broke ground November 5, 1990 - Construction cost - US $186 million - ($448 million in 2024 dollars)
Opened May 15, 1993
Renovated 2008, 2009, 2017
Expanded 2006
Seating Capacity - A rectilinear 5-level stadium which can seat up to 73,000 spectators for a typical
football game.

Architect - HOK Sport

Alamodome Upgrades: Getting Ready for the 2025 NCAA Final Four: https://tx-cre.com/alamodome-upgrade...aa-final-four/

[Laramie]

Nashville, Tennessee - MSA Population - 2,102,573
(Nashville-Davidson–Murfreesboro–Franklin, TN MSA)

New $2.1 Billion Tennessee Titans Stadium Plan Moves Forward After Passing $760 Million In Bonds: https://www.forbes.com/sites/timnewc...her-approvals/

[Laramie]

Chicago Bears proposed $5 billion stadium.

Chicago MSA population: 9,262,825 (Chicago–Naperville–Elgin, IL-IN MSA)



Bears unveil $5 billion plan for lakefront stadium and seek public funding to make it happen: https://apnews.com/article/chicago-b...35811319f040f1

Capacity: 65,000

[Laramie]

Jacksonville NFL Stadium $1.4 billion stadium renovation.

Jacksonville MSA population: 1,713,240

[OklahomaNick]

Chicago's stadium costing $5 billion is INSANE!

[PoliSciGuy]

Man, it is so depressing to see all these billionaires bilking money from public coffers

[gopokes88]

meh. Is what it is. Glad were still a pro sports town. If it can happen to Oakland it can happen to anyone.

[Bill Robertson]

Man, it is so depressing to see all these billionaires bilking money from public coffers

I don't like it either. But the alternative is having no pro sports. And probably much less college sports.
So for me "long live the billionaires".

[Laramie]

Chicago's stadium costing $5 billion is INSANE!

Man, it is so depressing to see all these billionaires bilking money from public coffers

Yes, you bet it's insane and depressing; therefore, if cities like Oklahoma City or a San Antonio (Non NFL cities) will have to invest in themselves if they want to be competitive and hope to attract an NCAA final four.

It will take an indoor 55,000 - 70,000 seat stadium with a translucent roof to compete for these mega events with potential of infusing $100 - $200 million in economic impact into our economy.

Once OKC can afford to invest in a translucent roof stadium to land one of these big events and entice OU and OSU to commit some non conference games in our city. We're on the verge of growing our hotel infrastructure with a 400 room Dream Hotel increasing luxury hotel capacity to 1,000 rooms.

Attract more events, make our city a safe haven to host events. We don't need to have an NFL franchise to do that--San Antonio is proof; they built the Alamodome in the 90s when they were a city of 1.3 million while supporting an NBA franchise.

[bison34]

Yes, you bet it's insane and depressing; therefore, if cities like Oklahoma City or a San Antonio (Non NFL cities) will have to invest in themselves if they want to be competitive and hope to attract an NCAA final four.

It will take an indoor 55,000 - 70,000 seat stadium with a translucent roof to compete for these mega events with potential of infusing $100 - $200 million in economic impact into our economy.

Once OKC can afford to invest in a translucent roof stadium to land one of these big events and entice OU and OSU to commit some non conference games in our city. We're on the verge of growing our hotel infrastructure with a 400 room Dream Hotel increasing luxury hotel capacity to 1,000 rooms.

Attract more events, make our city a safe haven to host events. We don't need to have an NFL franchise to do that--San Antonio is proof; they built the Alamodome in the 90s when they were a city of 1.3 million while supporting an NBA franchise.

I think you can give up the fantasy of a mega-stadium coming to OKC. Arena, sure. But there will never be a need for a stadium in OKC.

[Laramie]

I think you can give up the fantasy of a mega-stadium coming to OKC. Arena, sure. But there will never be a need for a stadium in OKC.

It's not my fantasy; It's the reality bison34 of who's getting THE BIG DANCE and the BIG EVENTS. We have a solution to solve our NBA arena problem and keep the NBA in our city for a long time. Our new State Fair Coliseum will keep many of the horse shows here that give our city an economic boost.

We'll be able to bid on some NCAA regionals.

How far does our city want to go to be more than a bridesmaid. I was encouraged to prepare and dress for the next level if you wanted to achieve success.

You want to compete with the larger cities on the next level with 2 million or more in their MSA, then OKC will have to invest in a large stadium with a roof sometime within the next decade.

The inferior NBA arena (Paycom Center) has shown OKC one thing, if you're going to be a major league
city, you'll need to invest in a facility that serves a multipurpose. We've not a San Francisco or Inglewood
where you build a smaller more elite arena and price the middle class and below out of the market--we've not that well populated and attractive to lure the high paying jobs to our city that an Austin or a city like Raleigh enjoys.

[bison34]

It's not my fantasy; It's the reality bison of who's getting THE BIG DANCE and the BIG EVENTS. We have a solution to solve our NBA arena problem and keep the NBA in our city for a long time. Our new State Fair Coliseum will keep many of the horse shows here that give our city an economic boost.

We'll be able to bid on some NCAA regionals.

How far does our city want to go be more than a bridesmaid. You want to compete with the larger
cities on the next level with 2 million or more in their MSA, then OKC will have to invest in a large
stadium with a roof.

The inferior NBA arena (Paycom Center) has shown OKC one thing, if you're going to be a major league
city, you'll need to invest in a facility that serves a multipurpose. We've not a San Francisco or Inglewood
were you build a smaller more elite arena and price the middle class and below out of the market--we've not that well populated and attractive to lure the high paying jobs to our city that an Austin, TX, or a city like Raleigh enjoys.

OKC will not be getting those events. Just a fact of life. Not a bad thing. There are cities and metros bigger than us who are not going to get those, either.

If OKC is having to resort to building a massive stadium to attract people or jobs, then we are in trouble. We do not need a stadium like that. The Alamodome was built for the Spurs in 1993, 31 years ago. That stadium would cost closer to $1 billion now. Not economically feasible without an anchor tenant, in today's day and age. Name another city with a domed stadium with no tenant? You will think STL will count, but don't try to pull the wool over my eyes. It was built for an NFL team, and had one for 2 decades. OKC will never build a stadium like that. It would be a waste of money, IMO.

We have enough trouble building large-scale hotels as it is. We would have to build 15 in half the timeframe we have built like, 2. It is folly to think like this. Kansas City doesn't have one. Portland doesn't, Sacramento doesn't, Raleigh, Charlotte, Denver, Salt Lake City, etc, do not have a domed stadium. OKC has far more pressing needs than to build a second $1 billion sports facility, much less one that may be used 10-15 times a year.

[Laramie]

Philadelphia Mayor unveils details of new Sixers' Center City arena agreement: https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news...1RAdvp&ref=app

[Laramie]

OKC will not be getting those events. Just a fact of life. Not a bad thing. There are cities and metros bigger than us who are not going to get those, either.

If OKC is having to resort to building a massive stadium to attract people or jobs, then we are in trouble. We do not need a stadium like that. The Alamodome was built for the Spurs in 1993, 31 years ago. That stadium would cost closer to $1 billion now. Not economically feasible without an anchor tenant, in today's day and age. Name another city with a domed stadium with no tenant? You will think STL will count, but don't try to pull the wool over my eyes. It was built for an NFL team, and had one for 2 decades. OKC will never build a stadium like that. It would be a waste of money, IMO.

We have enough trouble building large-scale hotels as it is. We would have to build 15 in half the timeframe we have built like, 2. It is folly to think like this. Kansas City doesn't have one. Portland doesn't, Sacramento doesn't, Raleigh, Charlotte, Denver, Salt Lake City, etc, do not have a domed stadium. OKC has far more pressing needs than to build a second $1 billion sports facility, much less one that may be used 10-15 times a year.

You're right, some people think we're not ready for the next stadium level. This is for cities like San Antonio who in 1990 when they had 1.3 million people aspire to be in a position to move to the next level. The Alamodome was never intended to be a long-term solution for the Spurs. They are brainstorming a fast track to replace their NBA arena much like OKC.

We don't have the corporate support for NFL, it would never make it here. The Alamo City built their indoor stadium in hopes to attract NFL or MLB while also temporarily accommodating the Spurs. If the Alamodome was built for the Spurs; then their renovation should keep the Spurs in tack.

They did a paradigm shift with the Alamodome and started bidding on events they have the facility to handle like the NCAA Final Four.

NFL Dallas and Houston want Texas all to themselves.

It's sad to think of a city the size of OKC (Top 20) without a large city stadium that approaches 20,000 seating capacity. I don't know of a top 50 U. S. central city without a stadium.

Tulsa has TU's 30k Chapman Stadium and the 17,839 BOK Center that was built to meet Tulsa needs and bring them to the next level like the NHL if the opportunity arises.

Taft Stadium (High School) and the Bricktown Ballpark (AAA baseball) serve our current needs.

[bison34]

Philadelphia Mayor unveils details of new Sixers' Center City arena agreement: https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news...1RAdvp&ref=app

If we got a $1 billion private arena or stadium, sure. But we know how billion dollar private developments go in OKC.

[bison34]

You're right, some people think we're not ready for the next stadium level. This is for cities like San Antonio who in 1990 when the had 1.3 million people aspire to be in a position to move to the next level. The Alamodome was never intended to be a long-term solution for the Spurs. They are brainstorming a fast track to replace their NBA arena much like OKC.

We don't have the corporate support for NFL, it would never make it here. The Alamo City built their indoor stadium in hopes to attract NFL or MLB while also temporarily accommodating the Spurs. If the Alamodome was built for the Spurs; then their renovation should keep the Spurs in tack.

They did a paradigm shift with the Alamodome and started bidding on events they have the facility to handle like the NCAA Final Four.

It's sad to think of a city the size of OKC (Top 20) without a large city stadium that approaches 20,000 seating capacity. I don't know of a top 50 U. S. central city without a stadium.

Taft Stadium (High School) and the Bricktown Ballpark (AAA baseball) serve our current needs.

20,000 is one thing. You were saying a massive stadium like the Alamodome.

A 20k seat stadium, sure. But not a 70k seat stadium.

[Laramie]

If we got a $1 billion private arena or stadium, sure. But we know how billion dollar private developments go in OKC.

Well, we passed a 'billion dollar' arena here overwhelmingly. The NBA Thunder are great for our city with the exposure of being one of 30 elite NBA markets; we're the 42nd largest MSA market yet we have one of 30 NBA franchises. Many markets envy our position. Have OKC overachieved . . .

[bison34]

Well, we passed a 'billion dollar' arena here overwhelmingly. The NBA Thunder are great for our city with the exposure of being one of 30 elite NBA markets; we're the 42nd largest MSA market yet we have one of 30 NBA franchises. Many markets envy our position. Have OKC overachieved . . .

Yeah. But imagine if our owners paid for the arena, then we could use that billion on infrastructure to help lure jobs here. An arena won't get a Fortune 500 company here, or even get them to open an office here. But improved infrastructure and educational facilities would, most likely.

[Laramie]

There was hope of OKC being able to host an NBA All Star Event Weekend once our new arena opens. The NBA moved the goal posts--you need a minimum of 5,500 luxury hotel rooms to host this event. We have 605 luxury hotel rooms.

Only one city (Salt Lake City) meets the specs for an NBA All Star host.

Portland has 2.5 million in their MSA (slightly lower than OKC and Tulsa's combined MSA's). True, they don't have NFL or MLB. They have the population to support either one. They renovated their city-county stadium to meet MLS specs.

Their arch rival model city is Seattle--OKC looks at Dallas like a mentor.

We've going to have one-hell-of a rivalry with Seattle once they reclaim the Supersonics.

Many cities envy OKC's MAPS penny sales tax funding that gives voters a say in Capital improvement projects. Kudos for OKC.

[Laramie]

Yeah. But imagine if our owners paid for the arena, then we could use that billion on infrastructure to help lure jobs here. An arena won't get a Fortune 500 company here, or even get them to open an office here. But improved infrastructure and educational facilities would, most likely.

Spot on Bison34 about education and luring Fortune 500 companies. We have one major university within a 50 mile radius of OKC. I envy Raleigh, NC they have Duke, North Carolina State and North Carolina all within a 50 mile radius of Raleigh.

[BoulderSooner]

Yeah. But imagine if our owners paid for the arena, then we could use that billion on infrastructure to help lure jobs here. An arena won't get a Fortune 500 company here, or even get them to open an office here. But improved infrastructure and educational facilities would, most likely.

except we couldn't it is a specific vote for a specific purpose ..

[bison34]

except we couldn't it is a specific vote for a specific purpose ..

But we could have decided a better use for $1 billion to put to a vote. MAPS were never for 1 project. This is essentially MAPS for 1 project. I know it passed, but if it were for 8 projects, it would have passed. Now? I don't know if the next one will pass. A lot of people felt strong-armed into voting yes. So they did it to keep the Thunder, not necessarily to get a new arena.

[Laramie]

But we could have decided a better use for $1 billion to put to a vote. MAPS were never for 1 project. This is essentially MAPS for 1 project. I know it passed, but if it were for 8 projects, it would have passed. Now? I don't know if the next one will pass. A lot of people felt strong-armed into voting yes. So they did it to keep the Thunder, not necessarily to get a new arena.

We've passed an extension vote before, where one project needed more funding to clear that hurdle.

You're correct, any future MAPS or Bond votes will include a smorgasbord of projects.

We also have a bond vote coming up in 2025 (Estimated $1 billion) which are the primary funding source for streets & bridges' infrastructure; our city did use the 2017 G.O. bonds for expansion and improvements to Devon Park.

Devon Park and Riversport Rapids will both be on the next 2025 Bond vote once their needs for the Olympics are identified and LA approves.

As I mentioned before, sometime within a decade (paying off new arena); our city if it wants to compete on the next level for NCAA basketball 'Final Four' will need to do a feasibility study on a large indoor stadium.

Once something identified--how do we fund it. If something comparable to the Alamodome were built in OKC today it would cost $400 million. Meanwhile, once a development like this is approved, it attracts attention from the hotel industry.

San Antonio is proof that do don't have to have an NFL or MLB anchor tenant to support an indoor stadium. OKC's central location is a plus (IMO) for attracting events. Now we will still be competing with Dallas in our region for events--currently, Dallas' AT&T stadium and Globe Life Field are the only indoor stadiums in our proximity.

Kansas City (KS or MO) are planning the Chiefs and Royals possibly new indoor stadiums.

An indoor stadium could cost anywhere from $400 - $500 million depending on the specs. We're not in the market for NFL or MLB, so a $500 million range would be more practical with a targeted capacity of 65,000-75,000.

Our city has a good bond rating; there are projects like housing that will also need to be addressed.

[Swake]

Combined Statistical Areas without a domed stadium (baseball or football)

1) New York City - 21.9 million people
2) Los Angeles - 18.3 million (SoFi does have a roof, but is open air and has no climate control)
3) Washington DC/Baltimore - 10.1 million
4) Chicago - 9.8 million (The Bears are proposing to build a dome)
5) San Francisco Bay Area - 9.0 million
7) Boston - 8.3 million
9) Philadelphia - 7.4 million

Of the ten largest Combined Metros in the US, only Dallas, Houston and Atlanta have true climate controlled domed stadiums.

A domed stadium is not a requirement for major cities.

[Laramie]

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Tampa Bay Rays $1.3B stadium plan expected to boost area business

Tampa–St. Petersburg–Clearwater, FL MSA population 3,342,963