Boardwalk at Bricktown / Dream Hotel

[jn1780]

LOL, no it doesn’t have to change if the FAA doesn’t approve the project…or more importantly if it’s never actually going to be built anyway.

And that would be asking the government to spend a lot of money or resources to make that change. I doubt the FAA would do that unless a piece of legislation was written, but the reasoning for it and more importantly who was proposing it wouldn't pass the sniff test.

[jn1780]

In all reality, building that aren't in direct line of the runway (for OKC, that's north and south... but Tinker does have a NW/SE runway), it does not really matter how tall they are. Planes don't fly on a paved road in the sky, they can simply go around (free of charge). So, if this project was serious and well financed, the FAA should not stand in the way. However, those appear to be a couple pretty big ifs.

Its organized chaos in the sky. Its a lot more complex than saying 'Go around'.

[David]

and that will have to change.

I can always count on PhiAlpha to negate what I write with repeat rhetoric. You state that Devon and BOKPP are bad examples due to the lack of highrises for their projects, BUT what you (always) fail to recognize is they are OKC's tallest projects of most recent build that also have multiple structures that weren't started until the main structure was fully approved - hence my point. IF okc had projects with 4 towers then I'd benchmark that. Got it now?

Here is an intersting read that sort of confirms my earlier argument that residential highrises are cheaper to build than office. Unless, things are totally different in OKC than the rest of the highrise world: https://kobobuilding.com/cost-to-build-a-high-rise/ Quote: "The type of building also affects the cost to build a high rise. For example, residential high rises are generally less expensive than office towers because they require less concrete and other materials that are used in commercial buildings."

I know it isn't scientific, but this article does tend to back up what I have known and seen in other cities that I follow htat build towers. ...

Im trying to be reasonable in the assumption that Matteson could be real on this development. Not everything needs to be so skeptical, let's wait and see.

It will not have to change because this tower is never getting built. The reasonable judgement is that Matteson is a hack who has no capacity to make it happen.

[Pete]

Anyone who thinks this building at that height would not interfere with current flight patterns should read the 37-page report (linked up-thread), which provides great detail to the contrary.

And as I keep mentioning, this was obvious back in March when Matteson filed his application. So, now we are approaching January, Matteson just said he plans to build Phase I regardless, so what on earth was the point of all this?


I'll tell you what: he is playing the Oklahoman in particular by making a big deal of this (can you ever remember any developer mentioning the FAA?) at the outset, and now, of course the paper has a huge story providing not only more publicity but great cover for when this never-remotely-plausible building is never built. Monorail!

[Richard at Remax]

Once again, if the supertall was going to be determined by the success of the smaller two towers, then why isn't he moving forward with the smaller ones first? Esp since those were basically locked and loaded. This whole thing is a dog and pony show and he just needs to go away.

[Bellaboo]

Nothing is going to happen on this site, at least by this nut job.

Doesn't Randy Hogan have a little skin in this project ? What does he have to say about it ?

[jn1780]

Once again, if the supertall was going to be determined by the success of the smaller two towers, then why isn't he moving forward with the smaller ones first? Esp since those were basically locked and loaded. This whole thing is a dog and pony show and he just needs to go away.

That's what you call a paradox. Supertall can't happen without the smaller towers, smaller towers can't happen without the supertall.

Obviously answer was because they were not locked and loaded. At least now we can move on past this FAA discussion and actually look for tangible evidence that the first two towers will actually happen. Guess we will see if a building permit actually gets filled by next summer.

[Pete]

Nothing is going to happen on this site, at least by this nut job.

Doesn't Randy Hogan have a little skin in this project ? What does he have to say about it ?

My impression is that Randy is just contributing the land. His initial very guarded comments have been replaced with silence.

[jccouger]

I wish this thread didn't exist. I just can't help myself to keep coming to look at it.

Nothing is gonna happen here, I just hope it goes away quietly.

[PhiAlpha]

I wish this thread didn't exist. I just can't help myself to keep coming to look at it.

Nothing is gonna happen here, I just hope it goes away quietly.

It’s the thread we deserve, but not the one we need right now.