Cannabis

[king183]

EDIT: I am an idiot. It could be on the ballot in November as SQ 797. I had forgotten there is a signature petition going on right now to put it on the ballot. My apologies. I don't know how organized the effort is; I haven't heard much of it. Perhaps it gains steam after tonight.

I doubt recreational marijuana would pass in November, but I think the chances are much much greater after tonight.

I want to revisit what I said on primary election night. I said I doubted recreational marijuana would pass in November, and I said that because I didn't think there was a cohesive, serious campaign by any organization to get it passed nor did I think the voters were ready for it. The events of the last week show you just how quickly the dynamics in politics can shift. I think the Board of Health's actions likely ignited a movement and angered so many people that the chance of recreational marijuana passing in November increased substantially. I think, though I have no quantitative evidence to prove it, there is a significant number of people who were either apathetic or undecided to the state question that are outraged by the government's gutting of the people's will. You don't have to approve of marijuana legalization to be angered by that--and I think that's going to have a massive impact in November.

[OKCRT]

I want to revisit what I said on primary election night. I said I doubted recreational marijuana would pass in November, and I said that because I didn't think there was a cohesive, serious campaign by any organization to get it passed nor did I think the voters were ready for it. The events of the last week show you just how quickly the dynamics in politics can shift. I think the Board of Health's actions likely ignited a movement and angered so many people that the chance of recreational marijuana passing in November increased substantially. I think, though I have no quantitative evidence to prove it, there is a significant number of people who were either apathetic or undecided to the state question that are outraged by the government's gutting of the people's will. You don't have to approve of marijuana legalization to be angered by that--and I think that's going to have a massive impact in November.

I agree. I don't think it had a very good chance of getting on the ballot much less passing before the Health Department gutted 788. Now,it's a different story. If they would have upheld the Will Of The People with SQ 788 I doubt we are even talking about these petitions,at least not nearly as much. The people are not happy with what they did. They told us that we didn't know what we were voting for and that they are going to do what THEY think is best. They are protecting Big Pharma and maybe another or 3 special interest groups by what they did. I think they really think most voters are blind or have ear plugs in.

[securityinfo]

Anyone catch Flashpoint on KFOR this morning? Kirk Humphreys was pointedly badgering Dollens on the "amendment" issue, the entire time looking very much like the proverbial cat that ate the canary....

Looked to me like Kirk was loving every minute of this most recent example of how things really work in Oklahoma. Unfortunately, the entire half-hour was IMHO a waste, as there were no new points made.

[Bunty]

They're still well on their way to getting there. I expect to turn in around 16 pages of signatures later this week.

[BridgeBurner]

Can't wait to see my tax dollars at work defending Fallin and the Health Board...
Interested to hear Stitt's take, honestly been pretty disappointing that neither Stitt or Cornett has made a public statement regarding the SQ788 drama- seems cowardly.

Spoke too soon, all 3 major candidates came out against Health Board's decision. https://newsok.com/article/5601453/g...arijuana-rules

"There are unelected bureaucrats changing the will of the people," Stitt, of Tulsa, said. "It's just kind of a nightmare with them reinterpreting and rewriting laws.

"Day one, I'll be the first governor that gets to appoint the new head of the Department of Health. I'm excited to do that. I'm going to bring somebody in from the outside that has health experience."

[gopokes88]

Just 20,000 signatures short. Could very well be on the ballot this November

https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/mari...ab2ad3ef6.html

[jonny d]

Just 20,000 signatures short. Could very well be on the ballot this November

https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/mari...ab2ad3ef6.html

A part of me thinks that, after the fiasco with 788, there will be far fewer voters in November. That, and I think it might be a case of "too much, too soon" in regards to marijuana.

[gopokes88]

Just 20,000 signatures short. Could very well be on the ballot this November

https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/mari...ab2ad3ef6.html

[bchris02]

A part of me thinks that, after the fiasco with 788, there will be far fewer voters in November. That, and I think it might be a case of "too much, too soon" in regards to marijuana.

It won't be on the ballot until 2020. That is a good thing as by then, I think it will be much more likely to pass.

[PhiAlpha]

It won't be on the ballot until 2020. That is a good thing as by then, I think it will be much more likely to pass.

That is the more likely scenario but isn't necessarily the case. It can still get on the November ballot.

[onthestrip]

Just 20,000 signatures short. Could very well be on the ballot this November

https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/mari...ab2ad3ef6.html

You most certainly will not see this on the ballot in November. Nov is approaching quickly and there can be legal games played when it comes to verifying signatures and ballot language that can delay it just enough to prevent a November ballot having it. Plus, Fallin and the GOP saw how many voters 788 brought out and how those voters werent automatic GOP voters, so they will delay as much as they can. Otherwise they could be making Drew Edmonson the favorite for gov.

[gopokes88]

You most certainly will not see this on the ballot in November. Nov is approaching quickly and there can be legal games played when it comes to verifying signatures and ballot language that can delay it just enough to prevent a November ballot having it. Plus, Fallin and the GOP saw how many voters 788 brought out and how those voters werent automatic GOP voters, so they will delay as much as they can. Otherwise they could be making Drew Edmonson the favorite for gov.

We'll that's not entirely true because 788 was doomed without reliable Republican votes. Repubs had just as much to do with it passing as dems. Repubs can still kill anything in the state they want too, if they unite. What your seeing is the spilt between urban/rural repubs that leads to 788 passing. (Teacher pay raises showed a lot of this as well) Cornett (maybe Stitt, not sure) will have every Repub united plus a chunk of OKC's moderates/independent. Edmonson is toast.

We saw the legal games with 788, such as Pruitt writing the ridiculous title that delayed it because it had to go through the courts.

[LocoAko]

Keep in mind many of the signatures will be deemed invalid, so they're going to need appreciably more than the 124,000 required. Still a good sign, though.

[Bunty]

Keep in mind many of the signatures will be deemed invalid, so they're going to need appreciably more than the 124,000 required. Still a good sign, though.

What would be an invalid signature? The printed name is illegible? Address and/or town illegible? They're already considered as valid registered Oklahoma voters.

[LocoAko]

What would be an invalid signature? The printed name is illegible? Address and/or town illegible? They're already considered as valid registered Oklahoma voters.

I'm not totally sure to be honest. My impression is just that organizers gathering signatures for these types of things try to way overshoot the target for this inevitability. I assume it's a) people who think they're registered but aren't, b) people who are not properly registered at the address they list, and c) writing that can't be deciphered.

[Ross MacLochness]

I'm not totally sure to be honest. My impression is just that organizers gathering signatures for these types of things try to way overshoot the target for this inevitability. I assume it's a) people who think they're registered but aren't, b) people who are not properly registered at the address they list, and c) writing that can't be deciphered.

Do I need to put the address that is on my voter registration card or my current address? I have moved since registering to vote

[d-usa]

If I remember correctly from participating in past signature collections, an invalid signature invalidates the entire page of signatures.

[gopokes88]

https://newsok.com/article/5601630/h...n=NIC-Facebook

“On Monday, Bates asked Attorney General Mike Hunter to help the agency decide how to address the lawsuits. Hunter agreed, but stopped short of saying he would send lawyers to represent the Board of Health.”

Logically, if the AG doesn’t provide lawyers to the health department, those regulations are toast.

[LocoAko]

The General Counsel (whose advice was not taken in implementing these new emergency rules) has resigned.

https://twitter.com/CathJSweeney/sta...754589184?s=19

[CloudDeckMedia]

What would be an invalid signature? The printed name is illegible? Address and/or town illegible? They're already considered as valid registered Oklahoma voters.

The signature-gatherer must meet certain criteria. I believe that one condition is that they must be Oklahoma residents. If not, then every signature they have obtained must be thrown out.

[gopokes88]

https://newsok.com/article/5601630/h...es-controversy

Woah updated. She sent the threats to herself and has been charged with two felonies.

What a sh*t show.

[LocoAko]

https://newsok.com/article/5601630/h...es-controversy

Woah updated. She sent the threats to herself and has been charged with two felonies.

What a sh*t show.

Yeah, wow. That escalated quickly:

https://twitter.com/MegWingerter/sta...81635894874112

[DKG]

Yeah, wow. That escalated quickly:

https://twitter.com/MegWingerter/sta...81635894874112

This Tulsa World article has a lot of details...

https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/stat...7ed371f15.html

[TheTravellers]

The signature-gatherer must meet certain criteria. I believe that one condition is that they must be Oklahoma residents. If not, then every signature they have obtained must be thrown out.

Used to have to be a qualified elector in OK to be a circulator, but not now (https://scholar.google.com/scholar_c...78514734863787). Here's *some* info about petitions (first link is OK-specific, second is general, didn't have time to dig around more):

https://ballotpedia.org/Laws_governi...ss_in_Oklahoma

https://ballotpedia.org/Valid_signature (has some links at the bottom that might be more informative about invalid signatures)

[securityinfo]

This Tulsa World article has a lot of details...

https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/stat...7ed371f15.html

Paywall :-(