Abortion Ban in SD

[Patrick]

By the way, OkieBear, thanks for getting us

[OkieBear]

Oh, okay. I see where you're coming from.

That could create an even bigger chaos. Women wanting an abortion would storm to the states that allowed it. I'm sure the more liberal states like New York, California, etc. would probably make abortion legal.

I believe there are states who have laws or constitutional clauses on both sides, both allowing and disallowing abortions. SCOTUS took those laws off the table. If enough people in those states that ban it let their elected officials know they want it, then they will probably pass laws allowing it. If not, there will probably be people crossing state lines to obtain one. On the other hand, if abortions are not readily available women who otherwise might have had one in a state of panic may consider other options and save the baby. I guess you can tell where I stand on the issue.

[GrandMaMa]

So if this SCOTUS hands down the decision overturning Roe you will agree with that, right?

I very much respect the Judges on the Supreme Court and especially the ones sitting now.

[GrandMaMa]

I'll add one more to that list. Have you ever been in real surgery room before? Most surgeons aren't as respectful as you lead on. In fact, I'd say most general surgeons are jerks. I know, I've worked around them. The body may be draped nicely during the procedure, but before the procedure the body is pretty exposed. Surgeons don't always treat the body with the utmost respect.

Patrick, I'm not going to allow you to goad me into being suspended. Those were exactly the same types of questions that I was asking of you, and I got reprimanded. I will say this to that. If I didn't have considerable experience in what I was discussing, I wouldn't have recognized that you didn't. Now, I will try to follow the moderator's request and try to seperate the message from the messenger, although, the difficulty lies where the messenger is in question..I won't go there again.

[Patrick]

Patrick, I'm not going to allow you to goad me into being suspended. Those were exactly the same types of questions that I was asking of you, and I got reprimanded. I will say this to that. If I didn't have considerable experience in what I was discussing, I wouldn't have recognized that you didn't. Now, I will try to follow the moderator's request and try to seperate the message from the messenger, although, the difficulty lies where the messenger is in question..I won't go there again.

I didn't reprimand because of your dealings with me. I just think you and Jack got into a flame war last night, and you both shouldn't have allowed it to escalate to that.

I'm a pretty laid back guy. If I don't agree with something I either present evidence (to the best of my knowledge at the time) or ignore it. Obviously, you had the facts in this situation. More power to you.

Hey GrandMaMa, I'll just send you a PM and we can talk about it.

[GrandMaMa]

I didn't reprimand because of your dealings with me. I just think you and Jack got into a flame war last night, and you both shouldn't have allowed it to escalate to that.

I'm a pretty laid back guy. If I don't agree with something I either present evidence or ignore it. Obviously, you had the facts in this situation. Do you feel better now?

Hey GrandMaMa, I'll just send you a PM and we can talk about it.

Not a bad idea

[Midtowner]

For those who are not so legally inclined, let me explain something very important to understanding this issue. The question before the Supreme Court will have very little to do with abortion itself (if anything at all). The question before the Court will be whether states can pass laws or state constitutional amendments contrary to binding rulings of the Supreme Court.

This isn't an attack on Roe v. Wade so much as an attack on Marbury v. Madison.

I'll give you a guess -- no way in Hades is a sitting supreme court going to essentially castrate itself. Consider the doors that such a ruling would open up. Let's say that Kansas no longer wants to have racially integrated schools.. well, the holding that y'all are routing for would essentially allow Kansas to pass a Constitutional amendment to overturn Brown v. Board of Education.

I'll repeat: no way in hades.

[Patrick]

Thanks for the legal input Midtowner!

[Patrick]

I'm going to close this thread, since it's gotten off topic so many times. I'll start a new topic on abortion, and we can go from there.

Thanks, Patrick, moderator.