NCAA Conference Realignment

[Just the facts]

A playoff system would still have to use the BCS because the teams have to be seeded somehow. You can't use the bowls in any of the playoff games because people can't travel to 2 or 3 bowl games. The playoffs would have to be home games. If you take the top 8 teams out of the bowl picture the the top tier bowls (Orange, Fiesta, Rose, Sugar) are going to played with 2 and maybe even 3-loss teams. That in turn will make every bowl game go down in the quality of teams playing and there probably isn't enough teams with winning records to even play every bowl game.

[venture]

http://brett-mcmurphy.blogs.cbssport...32522/32936807

SSDD. WVU will be extended an invite to the Big 12 a day after Missouri leaves. Now they just need to announce what they are doing so people can move on.

[MDot]

Yeah, they need to hurry up and move on. The sooner the better, they're just making us wait.

[Just the facts]

This is so simple - it's stupid.

If West Virginia informs the Big East of its intention to leave before the league adds Navy or Air Force, the Mountaineers would only be held to a $5 million exit fee. If the Big East has added Navy or Air Force before the Mountaineers notify the Big East, they would have to pay $10 million. Either way, the Mountaineers would not be able to leave the Big East until June 30, 2014 – the same time frame as Syracuse and Pittsburgh.

Without West Virginia, Pitt, Syracuse and TCU, the remaining football league members are UConn, Rutgers, USF, Louisville and Cincinnati.

Invite Lousiville and Cincinnati to join the Big XIII. Then have the Big East schools meet again to adopt a new by-law that lets any school leave immediately without any financial penalty. Surely West Virginia, Louisville, Cincinnati, Pitt and Syracuse would vote for it and the measures passes 5-3, Bob's your uncle, and all the teams move.

[venture]

New wrinkle... http://espn.go.com/college-sports/st...-early-tuesday

West Virginia will be accepted into the conference as a replacement for Missouri, which the conference believes is departing for the SEC. However, according to the source, West Virginia's acceptance into the Big 12 is not contingent on Missouri leaving.

Sounds like they are moving to go to 12 teams now (hopefully). WVU reported to accept Big 12 invite as early as today.

[MDot]

New wrinkle... http://espn.go.com/college-sports/st...-early-tuesday



Sounds like they are moving to go to 12 teams now (hopefully). WVU reported to accept Big 12 invite as early as today.

That would be nice if Missouri stayed and we got West Virginia. However, I know Missouri has already pretty much announced they were going to the SEC.

[dankrutka]

We still need to go to 12 teams! West Virginia is clearly a replacement for Mizzou, who will be announcing that they are leaving soon.

[bluedogok]

I just now thought of this but if Missouri goes to the SEC, then the SEC will have 3 teams who are called the Tigers.

We were listening to the LSU-Auburn game on the way up to OKC on Saturday and the LSU announcers kept saying "Tigers ball" or other similar things and always clumsily added LSU or Auburn to the end of whatever they said.

[MDot]

We were listening to the LSU-Auburn game on the way up to OKC on Saturday and the LSU announcers kept saying "Tigers ball" or other similar things and always clumsily added LSU or Auburn to the end of whatever they said.

Lol that would be a facepalm moment if he didn't add LSU or Auburn at the end.

[Native Okie]

Texas killed the Southwest Conference. So far they have destroyed half of the Big 8.
Boren please wake up! This is not the US Senate.

[ljbab728]

Texas killed the Southwest Conference. So far they have destroyed half of the Big 8.
Boren please wake up! This is not the US Senate.

And just what are you suggesting that Boren do?

[MDot]

And just what are you suggesting that Boren do?

Nuke Texas and any other state that wants to screw around with us!

[Snowman]

Texas killed the Southwest Conference. So far they have destroyed half of the Big 8.
Boren please wake up! This is not the US Senate.

Interesting the Death Penalty being given to SMU is generally what I had heard was what caused the end of the Southwest Conference.

[Thunder]

Missouri left us? Wow! What a dumb bunch of retards up there.

[Just the facts]

Interesting the Death Penalty being given to SMU is generally what I had heard was what caused the end of the Southwest Conference.

The conference survived for 10 years after SMU was penalized. What killed the conference was Arkansas moving to the SEC and whatever their reason was for moving. The conference collapsed 4 years later.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwest_Conference

The 1980s saw many of the conference's athletic programs hit by recruiting scandals and NCAA probations.[1][2][3] The only programs to escape probation in the 1980s were Arkansas, Baylor, and Rice.[1][2][3] Because of repeated major violations, the Southern Methodist University football program in 1987 became only the third program in NCAA history to receive the so-called "Death Penalty" (after Kentucky basketball in 1952-53 and Southwestern Louisiana basketball from 1973 to 1975). The NCAA canceled SMU's 1987 season, and limited it to seven road games for 1988. However, nearly all of the school's lettermen transferred elsewhere, forcing SMU to keep its football program shuttered for 1988 as well. SMU also remained on probation until 1990. At that time, NCAA rules prohibited schools on probation from appearing on live television. As a result, the conference's market share in television coverage dwindled.

The SWC's performance in football declined precipitously. The final eight SWC champions lost in their bowl games. After SMU's second-place finish in most polls in 1982, SWC programs usually were not serious contenders for the national title. Texas had strong teams in 1983 and 1990, Arkansas had a strong team in 1988, and Texas A&M was strong in 1992, but by the end of their respective seasons none were able to remain in the national championship hunt or the weekly football polls.

The beginning of the end came in 1990 when Arkansas announced it would leave for the Southeastern Conference. The death blow came in March 1994 when Texas, Texas A&M, Baylor, and Texas Tech accepted invitations to join with the members of the Big Eight Conference to form the Big 12 Conference. Soon afterward, SMU, TCU, and Rice accepted invitations to join the Western Athletic Conference, while Houston joined Conference USA. In May 1996, after the completion of championship matches in baseball and track & field, the Southwest Conference was officially dissolved.

[dankrutka]

And just what are you suggesting that Boren do?

Exactly. We tried to go to the PAC-12 and got rejected. We probably couldn't get a Big 10 invite without breaking from OSU and everyone else. Boren, Stoops, and Castiglione don't want to the SEC. So, unless you're arguing for the SEC, maintaining the Big 12 seems to be our only realistic option right now.

[MDot]

Exactly. We tried to go to the PAC-12 and got rejected. We probably couldn't get a Big 10 invite without breaking from OSU and everyone else. Boren, Stoops, and Castiglione don't want to the SEC. So, unless you're arguing for the SEC, maintaining the Big 12 seems to be our only realistic option right now.

I doubt the Big 10 would accept us even without OSU cause we're to "dumb", even though I've heard a lot of Big 10 fans say they'd love to have OU. Obviously, the most realistic conference for us to end up if we were to leave the Big XII is the SEC and nobody at OU wants that as you mentioned. Unless the Pac-12 looked for expansion soon enough, which they said they were staying put for now so that's sorta blind hope if anybody is believing that will happen.

[venture]

http://eye-on-collegefootball.blogs....56338/32948814

The summary. West Virginia had planned a news conference for today to announce their acceptance of a verbal invite by the Big 12. However, last night the Big 12 put things on hold claiming it needed further information on something. Now the speculation is that Louisville has made a major play to take the 10th spot instead of WVU. At this point I think the Big 12 just needs to say "whatever" and take both schools. If Missouri stays, great we are at 12. If they leave...call Cincinnati, Boise, Air Force, or BYU.

[Just the facts]

I don't mind keeping the Big XII together but I would rather the teams come from within the region. If it came down to it I would prefer having Tulsa over West Virginia. I woldn't even mind going to 16 teams and even doing it with 4 divisions.

In the division system you would have 4 teams in each divsion with two divisions in each conference. You would play the other three teams in your division twice each year (1 road and 1 home). You then play the 4 teams from the other division in your conference (2 road and 2 home). That is 10 games. You also play 2 non-conference games (could be from the other conference of a different league) which bring you to 12. The two conference champions play a league championship game. Winner goes to the BCS champioship game. Only the 10 games played against conference opponents count towards you league record.

South Conference
Division 1
Texas
Texas Tech
Baylor
Houston

Division 2
TCU
SMU
OU
OSU

North Conference
Division 3
Kansas
Kansas St
Iowa St
Tulsa

Division 4
Colorado St
Boise St
BYU
Air Force

[MDot]

http://eye-on-collegefootball.blogs....56338/32948814

The summary. West Virginia had planned a news conference for today to announce their acceptance of a verbal invite by the Big 12. However, last night the Big 12 put things on hold claiming it needed further information on something. Now the speculation is that Louisville has made a major play to take the 10th spot instead of WVU. At this point I think the Big 12 just needs to say "whatever" and take both schools. If Missouri stays, great we are at 12. If they leave...call Cincinnati, Boise, Air Force, or BYU.

This gets on my nerves. We need more than 10 teams, especially if the teams we get are not good enough to compete year in and year out, but these dumb officials in the Big XII are to busy playing with themselves in their big fancy office's to make a "good" decision, instead they're just as much a liability as Missouri has been. I was in favor of the Big XII sticking around but not with these dumb P.O.S running the conference. Now I'm starting to regret not accepting the Pac-12 or SEC invitations last year.

[Snowman]

While Louisville makes a more sense than West Virginia regionally, the last thing we need to be doing is being jerks to legitimate candidates to come in and sure up the conference. If they plan on keeping the name Big 12, at least plan on getting 12 teams eventually, otherwise change it to something else. Possibly independent of the number of teams.

[MDot]

While Louisville makes a more sense than West Virginia regionally, the last thing we need to be doing is being jerks to legitimate candidates to come in and sure up the conference. If they plan on keeping the name Big 12, at least plan on getting 12 teams eventually, otherwise change it to something else. Possibly independent of the number of teams.

Exactly. That was my first though was "why in the world tell somebody to hold on after you basically accepted them and they had a press conference planned to announce their membership", I mean it's sorta like a guy who had been dating a girl for a long time then they break up and he can't get over her, then this other girl comes along who really likes him and is really sweet to him and would do anything for him and he starts liking her back and the same day he was gonna ask her out he decides he still has a shot with the girl that just broke up with him when in reality she's already fully committed to another guy. (I know I coulda used a better example but that one's the easiest to type out lol)

[MDot]

^And that's in reference to the Big XII still wanting Missouri even though they're basically gone.

[Just the facts]

So we want Missouri, unless they leave; in which case we want West Virginia, unless they don't want to come or if we get a better offer from Cincinnati; in which case we want Cincinnati; unless of course, we decide to go to 12 teams, in which case we want both of them, and Missouri, unless of course Missouri decides to leave, in which case we also BYU...


That doesn't sound desperate or unstable at all.

They need to stop screwing around and decide if they want 10 teams or 12 teams and stop all this scenario/what if crap. If the conference can't even decide how many teams it wants then we are all wasting our time. Once the Big XII decided how many teams its wants it need to put out an RFP and stop all the behind the scenes stuff. Just have any team that is interested submit a proposal by Nov 5, 2011 and pick how every many teams you need from that list.

[MDot]

I'm just hoping that this hasn't turned West Virginia away. I also hope that we add both Louisville and West Virginia in the following weeks.