OKC Mayor Race 2014

[mkjeeves]

I've posted plenty on the topic, but when people like you that have a vendatta against the DOK, keep your own attacks up then it gets out of hand. I post about a lot of the idiotic comments coming from the Ed campaign....

Go re-read your post about your insinuation of Mayor Mick smoking pot.....? It's out there in the previous 10 pages or so.
Your evidence was something WC said at a news years eve party...

No, it's your claim about what I said. Back it up. Second. I'm still not the topic of this thread.

[soonerguru]

No, it's your claim about what I said. Back it up. Second. I'm still not the topic of this thread.

Poster David was quoted by mkjeeves as saying this:


Originally Posted by David
If it really is scandalous, I just want it out now. It's far better for OKC for a mayoral candidate to have his campaign ruined than for it to come out after he manages to get elected.

Here was mkjeeves reply. I will leave it up to readers to determine if he was insinuating Mayor Cornett smoked pot.

I agree. And the pot smoking allegations about the current mayor we are about to re-elect?

[mkjeeves]

Poster David was quoted by mkjeeves as saying this:


Originally Posted by David
If it really is scandalous, I just want it out now. It's far better for OKC for a mayoral candidate to have his campaign ruined than for it to come out after he manages to get elected.

Here was mkjeeves reply. I will leave it up to readers to determine if he was insinuating Mayor Cornett smoked pot.

Exactly correct. David wanted all possible scandals settled now. I agreed we needed that. My question was did he want Wayne's allegations settled now about Mick too or just the ones about Ed?

It's also funny that no one believed Wayne until Wayne told them what they wanted to hear, he doesn't know and doesn't think mick smokes pot. Then it was gospel.

[soonerguru]

Exactly correct. David wanted all possible scandals settled now. My question was did he want Wayne's allegations settled now about Mick too or just the ones about Ed?

It's also funny that no one believed Wayne until Wayne told them what they wanted to hear, he doesn't know and doesn't think mick smokes pot. Then it was gospel.

There were several others beside yourself, including Ed Shadid himself, who acted as if those Wayne Coyne comments were credible. What a joke. Perhaps you were just trying to needle the Oklahoman a bit, but it seems kuku to compare admissions in open court and on public television with silly things a rocker said from a stage. Equating the two, which I guess you were not, is silly.

[mkjeeves]

Like I said:

1. His words are 100% credible on the part where he says he was just kidding then. Why is that?

2. We named a street after their band. Mick elevated his status in an interview. There's a state song or something? and some other official recognition I'm too lazy to look up. Nope, you say, the people, the government, and Mick in particular, think they are all a bunch of dishonest folk right? Couldn't possibly have any need to follow up on a public claim of illegal activity against the mayor. Unfathomable. When he's your guy.

I left out the part about his wife being appointed to a city post.

[soonerguru]

Oy vey. So do think this is a scandal or not? I'm confused. I honestly don't know your opinion.

[tomokc]

mkjeeves is simply a bomb thrower. He makes inferences and inuendoes, and when challenged to back them up (by Bellaboo) he back pedals, and then makes makes someone else (soonerguru) root through the thread and find them, followed by a change of subject.

Can't you simply set the hyperbole aside for a minute and enumerate Ed's accomplishments that clearly demonstrate why he's the best mayoral candidate?

[mkjeeves]

Here's your governor with the guy who can't be trusted or believed unless he said what you wanted him to say:

[warreng88]

Like I said:

1. His words are 100% credible on the part where he says he was just kidding then. Why is that?

2. We named a street after their band. Mick elevated his status in an interview. There's a state song or something? and some other official recognition I'm too lazy to look up. Nope, you say, the people, the government, and Mick in particular, think they are all a bunch of dishonest folk right? Couldn't possibly have any need to follow up on a public claim of illegal activity against the mayor. Unfathomable. When he's your guy.

I left out the part about his wife being appointed to a city post.

1) Because he said it at a concert and was probably high at the time of the concert. Honestly, even if Wayne Coyne said "You have a Ward 2 city councilman who smokes pot in his house!" I wouldn't believe it because it's from Wayne Coyne and if you have seen his live show, been to the Womb gallery and follow him on twitter, you know he is all about the shock value.

2) You can give someone recognition and not agree with their beliefs. At the time of the alley dedication, Wayne Coyne was globally one of the most popular people in the world (I don't think we recognize this as much as people from out of the state of Oklahoma) and was someone who was an ambassador for OKC since he grew up here and had roots here. Now, of course, KD and Russell Westbrook are more of the ambassadors of OKC than WC, which is a great thing.

[betts]

Obviously no one can prove which of Wayne Coyne's two statements are true. One of them is. Either he has seen Mick Cornett smoke marijuana or he hasn't. One of them seems more logical. The way I see it, we can either vote for a mayor who has given OKC exemplary service, who has continued the legacy of his mayor forebears, who worked tirelessly to bring the Thunder here and continue the MAPS legacy and who might or might not (might not seems a bit more likely) have smoked marijuana with Wayne Coyne or we can vote for someone who promised to support MAPS 3 and then broke his word, who never participated in government politics until the election in which he ran, who has tried to manipulate his peers to achieve his ends (not those of his constituents) and who has smoked marijuana and used cocaine, etc, etc.

I see the facts outlined in the divorce brouhaha as supportive of my earlier impression of Ed Shadid - he's not a person to trust in any position of authority. They don't make my decision, they just make my decision look even better.

[jerrywall]

Obviously no one can prove which of Wayne Coyne's two statements are true. One of them is. Either he has seen Mick Cornett smoke marijuana or he hasn't. One of them seems more logical. The way I see it, we can either vote for a mayor who has given OKC exemplary service, who has continued the legacy of his mayor forebears, who worked tirelessly to bring the Thunder here and continue the MAPS legacy and who might or might not (might not seems a bit more likely) have smoked marijuana with Wayne Coyne or we can vote for someone who promised to support MAPS 3 and then broke his word, who never participated in government politics until the election in which he ran, who has tried to manipulate his peers to achieve his ends (not those of his constituents) and who has smoked marijuana and used cocaine, etc, etc.

I see the facts outlined in the divorce brouhaha as supportive of my earlier impression of Ed Shadid - he's not a person to trust in any position of authority. They don't make my decision, they just make my decision look even better.

^^^ this.

[OSUFan]

I don't care what Wayne Coyne says about either candidate and its not worth any media member's time to dig into that subject.

[mkjeeves]

1) Because he said it at a concert and was probably high at the time of the concert. Honestly, even if Wayne Coyne said "You have a Ward 2 city councilman who smokes pot in his house!" I wouldn't believe it because it's from Wayne Coyne and if you have seen his live show, been to the Womb gallery and follow him on twitter, you know he is all about the shock value.

I think that goes both ways and doesn't settle anything. Any of this could be a possibility:
He said something he should have kept in confidence but he was high.
He said something he made up because he was high.
He said something because he wasn't high and rationally likes to self promote through controversy.
He wasn't high and said something he thought was true because he's stupid and didn't realize the possible ramifications, or just didn't care at the time.

Or we could look up what he just said about it and believe that.
Or we could doubt THAT's completely true but he said it from political pressure. Or maybe he was high the second time. I mean come on. The guy made a statement about criminal activity and the mayor. It should have been addressed a long time before now. Still amazed at how little it took for some people to say, oh, now we know the truth.

2) You can give someone recognition and not agree with their beliefs. At the time of the alley dedication, Wayne Coyne was globally one of the most popular people in the world (I don't think we recognize this as much as people from out of the state of Oklahoma) and was someone who was an ambassador for OKC since he grew up here and had roots here. Now, of course, KD and Russell Westbrook are more of the ambassadors of OKC than WC, which is a great thing.

Sure you can. However, credible governments don't typically recognize and associate themselves with people whom they think are the out of control, drug dazed and dishonest types some claim is widely known and accepted. Fleas, dogs, sleeping and all that.

[Bellaboo]

Right, wrong, good, bad or indifferent, I wouldn't put much credence into anything that WC has to say...especially in a crowd at a concert....I don't have a problem with him, just wouldn't trust his hyperbole at a concert.

His comments about the Mayor were never addressed because people knew where it came from, WC.....

[warreng88]

Right, wrong, good, bad or indifferent, I wouldn't put much credence into anything that WC has to say.....I don't have a problem with him, just wouldn't trust his hyperbole at a concert.

His comments about the Mayor were never addressed because people knew where it came from, WC.....

Should have just said that. It made more sense than my ranting.

[warreng88]

I think that goes both ways and doesn't settle anything. Any of this could be a possibility:
He said something he should have kept in confidence but he was high.
He said something he made up because he was high.
He said something because he wasn't high and rationally likes to self promote through controversy.
He wasn't high and said something he thought was true because he's stupid and didn't realize the possible ramifications, or just didn't care at the time.

Or we could look up what he just said about it and believe that.
Or we could doubt THAT's completely true but he said it from political pressure. Or maybe he was high the second time. I mean come on. The guy made a statement about criminal activity and the mayor. It should have been addressed a long time before now. Still amazed at how little it took for some people to say, oh, now we know the truth.

Sure you can. However, credible governments don't typically recognize and associate themselves with people whom they think are the out of control, drug dazed and dishonest types some claim is widely known and accepted. Fleas, dogs, sleeping and all that.

What are you trying to accomplish? You are asking all of these questions, what do you think the answers are?

[mkjeeves]

What are you trying to accomplish? You are asking all of these questions, what do you think the answers are?

I'm pretty sure I've said something like this about 50 times and again in the post you quoted.

It should have been addressed a long time before now.

[soonerguru]

What are you trying to accomplish? You are asking all of these questions, what do you think the answers are?

He's astroturfing. It's like filibustering. This is a tactic to deflect the conversation away from Ed Shadid's imbroglio in the Gazette. He starts conversations about having politicians drug tested, etc. to keep the discussion off of Shadid. We are all falling for this by arguing with him. Just to keep the conversation on track, I'll repost the Gazette article here for discussion.

Mayoral candidate Ed Shadid confirms cocaine use, violence when asked about his sealed divorce file, which The Daily Oklahoman is fighting to open

Oklahoma Gazette News: Ed Shadid's divorce records

[BrettM2]

What are you trying to accomplish? You are asking all of these questions, what do you think the answers are?

He'd have to be able to answer a question before he could answer that... I think he's pre-programmed to just ask questions and change the subject of those questions to avoid anything of substance.

[mkjeeves]

He's astroturfing. It's like filibustering. This is a tactic to deflect the conversation away from Ed Shadid's imbroglio in the Gazette. He starts conversations about having politicians drug tested, etc. to keep the discussion off of Shadid. We are all falling for this by arguing with him. Just to keep the conversation on track,

You might go back to this last exchange and see it was your friend and fellow personal attacker Bellaboo who started this last conversation. Talk to him. In big letters.

[tomokc]

mkjeeves, are you going to discuss Ed's accomplishments or keep beating the "Wayne Coyne says Mick smokes pot" drum?

[mkjeeves]

Same response as the one above yours. Talk to Bellaboo about beating it...

[mkjeeves]

Prior to Bellaboo's BS whipping the horse, this was my last post on the Wayne subject:

http://www.okctalk.com/general-civic...tml#post719441

[soonerguru]

We're getting trolled. Stop feeding into it.

[Bellaboo]

Batter up. It's their turn. I wonder who Mick's barber is and where they put the clippings? I still think we need to drug test the mayor and everyone on the council.

Another example of you blaming Mick for smoking dope......... Oh crap, you really didn't say this did you...?