Friends for a Better Boulevard

[jn1780]

Or, they are someone / group that chooses to argue against a POV just because they don't like the messenger. Republicans vs. Dems. City vs. State. etc.

If politics is your answer for a solution, then you are part of the problem.

Well yes, when you have two or more groups debating about what form the boulevard should take or if its even needed at all its called politics. I see you paid attention in social studies class.

In case you haven't noticed, their building the eastern connection to the boulevard as we speak.

[Paseofreak]

Here is my solution, let's hold Ms. Fallin responsible for the results. This is one she needs to "push through / expedite" and make sure this is the Best in Design / World Class. She needs to push this through and hand it off to Mr. Cornett.

This is the dumbest "OKIE" position to have. We can't decide on ( Where we are going to pour concrete? ....where are we going to place the planters? ....what signage is needed? )

Ms. Fallin needs to hand-carry this through w/ Mr. Cornett at the same time. We need to get out of our own way and get it done.If you get it done correctly, then we will name the Blvd ( Fallin Blvd / Cornett Blvd ). This is Billions of dollars you are holding up. This is jobs, jobs, jobs.

Ms. Fallin doesn't have any authority in the progress of the boulevard. The critical path at this juncture is compliance with the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) because federal dollars are involved. NEPA is very likely the only reason we got to revisit the design process and have a chance for a well designed, at-grade boulevard instead of a clone of I-40. It's painfully obvious that you know very little about how public works are actually executed.

[CuatrodeMayo]

Don't feed the troll, ya'll.

[catcherinthewry]

Don't feed the troll, ya'll.

He's not a troll because I think his intentions are good, he's just not grounded in reality. Either way, things would go smoother around here if we all just let his blather go in one ear and out the other.

[Spartan]

Or, they are someone / group that chooses to argue against a POV just because they don't like the messenger. Republicans vs. Dems. City vs. State. etc.

If politics is your answer for a solution, then you are part of the problem.

Great speech but this isn't Republicans v Democrats. This is Friends for a Better Boulevard.

[David]

Don't feed the troll, ya'll.

You are right, my mistake.

[OKVision4U]

Ms. Fallin doesn't have any authority in the progress of the boulevard. The critical path at this juncture is compliance with the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) because federal dollars are involved. NEPA is very likely the only reason we got to revisit the design process and have a chance for a well designed, at-grade boulevard instead of a clone of I-40. It's painfully obvious that you know very little about how public works are actually executed.

I am all to familiar with Local / State / Federal projects, that is what worries me !!!!!!!!!! Public Works projects are the "snails" pace from Concept - To Completion.

...and if the leverage ( NEPA ) used to find a "gap" in the process, then fine. Guys, this is a road. Let's not make it bigger than it is. Dirtwork / Steel / Concrete / Signage / ...and landscaping. And the two parties involved ( ODOT - Ms. Fallin is the responsidble party for that dept & City of Oklahoma City - Mr. Cornett is the responsible party for that entity) should be pulling this through now.

[Spartan]

OKVision - do you understand why your posts get an unusual degree of push back?

[OKVision4U]

Don't feed the troll, ya'll.

Those who use the word troll, are usually those that just don't agree with the other person. "...so they must be a troll." It's a small minded / internet / inmature word.

CuatrodeMayo, the word (troll) is not used at the Corporate C-Level, because it stifles creativity. I find that odd coming from you.

Now, back to the point at hand, this project needs a hard completion date.

[warreng88]

If there are 15 people that don't agree with someone and they are from all parts of the city, all walks of life, who do you think the problem is? The 15 people or the one all the people have a problem with?

[OKVision4U]

OKVision - do you understand why your posts get an unusual degree of push back?

Spartan, you may have me confused with someone that concerns himself w/ that. I am a bottom line guy. I'm not here to make "friends" or a single dollar from anyone here. I have a (zero) bias on for many of these topics. It's a more liberating position.

...and I don't settle for average. ...or the position of "that's how we've alway's dun it". ..."or we caint". ..."we caint afford it".

[OKVision4U]

If there are 15 people that don't agree with someone and they are from all parts of the city, all walks of life, who do you think the problem is? The 15 people or the one all the people have a problem with?

warreng, there is not a problem here. This is a topic about a ROAD. This is a Forum about OKC. ...move on!

[warreng88]

Wrong, there is a problem here. You are telling everyone else they are wrong in their thinking and you choose to believe your way is the only way. There are other ways of thinking, there are other ways of doing things besides your way. Governments do not operate the same way as a sole proprietor. There are lots of channels they have to go through to get projects done and approved, whether you like it or not. And before you say something, it is not about the cost, it is about getting it done right the first time. If we were to just get the BLVD done quickly, the intersection of Western/Classsen/Reno/BLVD would have been very divided, much like the old I-40, only lower. Going through the proper channels to get it done right is getting it done right the first time. Sometimes the fastest way isn't always the best way. Now, if you owned a bunch of acreage and wanted to build a road to your house, you could do it however you wanted because it was your money and your property. We are talking about city money and city property paid for by the taxpayers and multiple people working to get this thing built that would make sense. Some engineers want it high speed, six lanes, etc. They think the purpose of this street is to get people in and out of DT as soon as possible. There are some planners and other people who want this built with pedestrians in mind, wide sidewalks, narrow lanes, slow speed limits, lots of crosswalks and grass medians. Now, if you don't like what is going on, contact your city councilman/woman directly to voice your displeasure on this project and why it is not moving along like you want it to. That is what they are there for. Or... BUY THE ROAD! That way you can have say over what is going to happen. Until then, you are just a guy behind the computer whining that no will do what he wants them to do but in the meantime has nothing but b!t@h and moan that things are not being done the way you want them to be done.

Here is the city council director with links to all the city council's e-mail and phone numbers. Do something about it instead of just talking about it.
City of Oklahoma City | City Council

[OKVision4U]

Wrong, there is a problem here. You are telling everyone else they are wrong in their thinking and you choose to believe your way is the only way. There are other ways of thinking, there are other ways of doing things besides your way. Governments do not operate the same way as a sole proprietor. There are lots of channels they have to go through to get projects done and approved, whether you like it or not. And before you say something, it is not about the cost, it is about getting it done right the first time. If we were to just get the BLVD done quickly, the intersection of Western/Classsen/Reno/BLVD would have been very divided, much like the old I-40, only lower. Going through the proper channels to get it done right is getting it done right the first time. Sometimes the fastest way isn't always the best way. Not, if you owned a bunch of acreage and wanted to build a road to your house, you could do it however you wanted because it was your money and your property. We are talking about city money and city property paid for by the taxpayers and multiple people working to get this thing built that would make sense. Some engineers want it high speed, six lanes, etc. They think the purpose of this street is to get people in and out of DT as soon as possible. There are some planners and other people who want this built with pedestrians in mind, wide sidewalks, narrow lanes, slow speed limits, lots of crosswalks and grass medians. Now, if you don't like what is going on, contact your city councilman/woman directly to voice your displeasure on this project and why it is not moving along like you want it to. That is what they are there for. Or... BUY THE ROAD! That way you can have say over what is going to happen. Until then, you are just a guy behind the computer whining that no will do what he wants them to do but in the meantime has nothing but b!t@h and moan that things are not being done the way you want them to be done.

Here is the city council director with links to all the city council's e-mail and phone numbers. Do something about it instead of just talking about it.
City of Oklahoma City | City Council

Warreng, I'm going to "look past" 80% of this, but you did hit on a few very good points regarding the BLVD. ...stay on point.

Engineers provide a function. Somehow in Oklahoma, they are put into a decision making role and this is not their strength. This Blvd should be a (reflection of where we are today and a Vision of what we can be tomorrow.) It must be a Pedestrian Friendly First Blvd w/o question, but we do need to get it done ASAP. ...it is holding things up now.

[Paseofreak]

Warren, you nailed it.

[LakeEffect]

Warreng, I'm going to "look past" 80% of this, but you did hit on a few very good points regarding the BLVD. ...stay on point.

Engineers provide a function. Somehow in Oklahoma, they are put into a decision making role and this is not their strength. This Blvd should be a (reflection of where we are today and a Vision of what we can be tomorrow.) It must be a Pedestrian Friendly First Blvd w/o question, but we do need to get it done ASAP. ...it is holding things up now.

I agree with what you say, but I don't understand why you're saying it's holding anything up.

[catcherinthewry]

Don't feed the troll, ya'll.

After reading the last page I want to apologize, Cuatro. You were right, I was wrong. Seriously people, don't engage. You're banging your head against a wall. I know, I did it once. Never again.

[OKVision4U]

I agree with what you say, but I don't understand why you're saying it's holding anything up.

With every 6 months we add to the completion date, the further our "outside" investment opportunities will hold-off regarding Core to Shore ( and the surrounding areas ). The Blvd is the artery that they are looking to for access.

Don't let anyone kid you, the big money (outside investment) will not spend until they have 100% access to their properties.

[Snowman]

With every 6 months we add to the completion date, the further our "outside" investment opportunities will hold-off regarding Core to Shore ( and the surrounding areas ). The Blvd is the artery that they are looking to for access.

Don't let anyone kid you, the big money (outside investment) will not spend until they have 100% access to their properties.

The only segment that was delayed by discussion was between Western and Walker, given they way it was originally planed we are not loosing any money off that and may well be increasing the level of development worth doing between those streets, if done as a grid we are also raising the square footage of developable downtown property.

[Plutonic Panda]

He's not a troll because I think his intentions are good, he's just not grounded in reality. Either way, things would go smoother around here if we all just let his blather go in one ear and out the other.

He has good ideas and, for the most part, I don't mind him being around here and I appreciate his enthusiasm. I don't always agree with him, but he's certainly not the worst.

[Plutonic Panda]

If there are 15 people that don't agree with someone and they are from all parts of the city, all walks of life, who do you think the problem is? The 15 people or the one all the people have a problem with?

There have been scenarios where the minority ends up being right and majority was wrong. Numbers of people who think similar thoughts mean nothing. If you were caught researching evolution just 500 years ago, you could be hung. Why do you think Leonardo da Vinci hid his work and wrote backwards in Greek?

[Plutonic Panda]

wide sidewalks, narrow lanes, slow speed limits, lots of crosswalks and grass medians.

and if it isn't that, then it a suburban piece of crap, huh?

As for your other points, how do you know he isn't doing anything about it? Just because he puts his point across and doesn't agree with people on here doesn't mean he disregards other people's ideas? Are we not here to share our opinion? Can we not have an opinion of an opinion?

The only trolls I have ever seen on this site were Torea and Edgar.... what exactly do you define as a troll?

[warreng88]

and if it isn't that, then it a suburban piece of crap, huh?

As for your other points, how do you know he isn't doing anything about it? Just because he puts his point across and doesn't agree with people on here doesn't mean he disregards other people's ideas? Are we not here to share our opinion? Can we not have an opinion of an opinion?

The only trolls I have ever seen on this site were Torea and Edgar.... what exactly do you define as a troll?

No, if it wasn't, then it wouldn't be what we were led to believe it to be when the idea first came out about the boulevard. It is supposed to be a gateway to DT/BT to slow people down and get them to enjoy that area. If it is going to be six lanes and divided, we might as well call it the NW Expressway part two.

How do I know he hadn't done anything about it? I don't. But he has never said once that he contacted someone and what they said. I have written to Meg several times about the boulevard and several other items and have usually gotten a response back. If he has contacted someone, I would like to hear what he had to say and what they had to say in return.

Contrary to what you might think, I don't mind if people have differing views/opinions than I do. I encourage them because I feel everyone can learn something from someone. He does not respect anyone else's opinion and tries to shove all his beliefs down everyone else's throat. Even when confronted with the facts, he refuses to think that someone else may be right and he may be wrong. He even challenged Steve lackmeyer about the original MAPS being seamless.

[Plutonic Panda]

No, if it wasn't, then it wouldn't be what we were led to believe it to be when the idea first came out about the boulevard. It is supposed to be a gateway to DT/BT to slow people down and get them to enjoy that area. If it is going to be six lanes and divided, we might as well call it the NW Expressway part two.

Fine. I'm not saying it has to be six lanes, all I am saying is it could be six lanes and still have amazing development.

Even when confronted with the facts, he refuses to think that someone else may be right and he may be wrong. He even challenged Steve lackmeyer about the original MAPS being seamless.

I honestly don't remember that. That would be very questionable if the case, which I'm not doubting.

[venture]

Fine. I'm not saying it has to be six lanes, all I am saying is it could be six lanes and still have amazing development.

Agree. Shocked? This is a road in the urban core. It has potential to be iconic for us like Michigan in Chicago. They key is going to come down to ensuring it is walkable but also that development along it is appropriate. That means higher density and no parking in front of the buildings.