Crossroads Mall

[megax11]

If it is renovated into some idiotic government office complex, or pitiful business college (which seems like all southside is filled with), then they should just nape the place and call it a day. Some pilot could drop a bomb and call it an accident.

I can't stand to see such a huge mall, that I have fond memories of, wasting space. It's only spitting in the face of those who love that mall, if they do something other than keep it a mall.

[Thunder]

It can still be a mall, a government mall. If all of them relocate from Shepard Mall to Crossroads Mall, it will for sure help revive the place, and then it will help some of the businesses with steady traffic flow, such as those flocking to the SSA office. I have seen some gift shops at the Shepard Mall. It wouldn't bother me to own a store inside a government mall.

[BrettM2]

It can still be a mall, a government mall. If all of them relocate from Shepard Mall to Crossroads Mall, it will for sure help revive the place, and then it will help some of the businesses with steady traffic flow, such as those flocking to the SSA office. I have seen some gift shops at the Shepard Mall. It wouldn't bother me to own a store inside a government mall.

I don't see the government relocating all of their offices from 23rd and Villa to I-240 and I-35. That's a big move, doesn't really make much sense in terms of the rest of downtown (and other government offices) are not far from Shepard Mall. I grew up with Crossroads mall, but wanting to resurrect doesn't seem possible.

[Swake2]

If it is renovated into some idiotic government office complex, or pitiful business college (which seems like all southside is filled with), then they should just nape the place and call it a day. Some pilot could drop a bomb and call it an accident.

I can't stand to see such a huge mall, that I have fond memories of, wasting space. It's only spitting in the face of those who love that mall, if they do something other than keep it a mall.

At least you still have your dreams....

[Lauri101]

It can still be a mall, a government mall. If all of them relocate from Shepard Mall to Crossroads Mall, it will for sure help revive the place, and then it will help some of the businesses with steady traffic flow, such as those flocking to the SSA office. I have seen some gift shops at the Shepard Mall. It wouldn't bother me to own a store inside a government mall.

Unfortunately, it won't happen, although I'd much rather see our offices at Crossroads rather than downtown. Our customers hate coming downtown, parking is horrendous and employees take a pay cut in order to pay to park and come to work.

GSA doesn't want anything to do with Crossroads - and GSA makes all the decisions of location of federal offices. I've already asked our facilities folks and it's not happening.

Megax11 - sorry - but I'd rather see the building put to good use - even with "idiotic government offices" than rot away. Even idiotic government employees need a place to work so YOU can utilize all the services that you wouldn't have without government workers at local, state or federal levels.

[earlywinegareth]

Here's my idea: world's largest indoor skating rink/skateboard park. Disco night will be frickin amazing.

[Thunder]

Unfortunately, it won't happen, although I'd much rather see our offices at Crossroads rather than downtown. Our customers hate coming downtown, parking is horrendous and employees take a pay cut in order to pay to park and come to work.

GSA doesn't want anything to do with Crossroads - and GSA makes all the decisions of location of federal offices. I've already asked our facilities folks and it's not happening.

Megax11 - sorry - but I'd rather see the building put to good use - even with "idiotic government offices" than rot away. Even idiotic government employees need a place to work so YOU can utilize all the services that you wouldn't have without government workers at local, state or federal levels.

I'm sad that these malls were ruined. :-( HPM and now CRM.

[megax11]

At least you still have your dreams....

Yeah, no kidding. I've had more since, but we will see what happens.

[ljbab728]

http://www.okgazette.com/oklahoma/ar...rossroads.html

[Larry OKC]

http://www.okgazette.com/oklahoma/ar...rossroads.html

The second option, he said, would be to leave it as is and turn it into a discount mall. This would require bringing in an owner with some retail background, and opening nontraditional stores that offer discount goods.

Or the Outlet Mall. Seems like this would have been a far better location than on the edge of town.

[rcjunkie]

Or the Outlet Mall. Seems like this would have been a far better location than on the edge of town.

Edge of town ?, it's almost the same distance from downtown OKC to Crossroads as it is to I-40 and Council

[Larry OKC]

Your right about the distance part. its a perception thing, Council still seems like the edge (but getting smaller) where OKC seems fairly developed all the way through Moore and Norman. At Crossroads it would seem more centrally located in the metro area (aren't there more people to the South, than there are to the West? Pulling some of the business we have recently lost to Moore back to OKC. Another good location putting it as a Southern edge Core to Shore anchor, but if not there, at least utilize existing space with Crossroads, but it is being built where its being built and I hope it is a success.

[the michigander]

I just moved to okc a couple of months ago and I have never seen a mall like crossroads with no anchors then I seen gangland and I found out why it is they way it is.

To bring crossroads mall back 1st think that has to be addressed is security. If u could get the highway patrol office to move in there I tjink that would help with that. That would bring 2 things security and foot traffic. Second if u could get that sears on 44th and western to move there along with burlington would also help. Then try to get some stores that bypassed the outlets on council like nordstrom rack and u could start a renaissance.

[Snowman]

Your right about the distance part. its a perception thing, Council still seems like the edge (but getting smaller) where OKC seems fairly developed all the way through Moore and Norman. At Crossroads it would seem more centrally located in the metro area (aren't there more people to the South, than there are to the West? Pulling some of the business we have recently lost to Moore back to OKC. Another good location putting it as a Southern edge Core to Shore anchor, but if not there, at least utilize existing space with Crossroads, but it is being built where its being built and I hope it is a success.

While their are more people to the south than the central-west, both the south and central-west pail to how many are in the north and north-west. Any business that built a building will not be interested in a new location for quite some time, especially one at the location of a major construction project that will probably take a decade. Crossroads at this point being a failed mall is a barrier for attracting new stores. While construction at C2S looks more attractive now, the project to put one at council has been in development for years and I think was suppose to be already be open but delayed by the economy. Given building trends it seems like near the intersection of NW Expressway and the Kilpatrick turnpike, off Broadway Extension or near Quail Springs would have been the next most likely locations chosen for the project.

[jn1780]

I hope they think someone will buy the mall soon because people are seriously looking at buying the mall. If anyone did something with the mall I'm sure the city would sign off on it. The city itself isn't going to do anything to the Crossroads site, they have other issues to worry about.

[OKCNDN]

Crossroads is too close to Moore and the many shops located there. I think retail is out of the question for that location. The new outlet mall at I-40 and Council is far enough away to be successful.

[soonerliberal]

Like any other retail, outlet malls look for positive demographics. I guarantee you that there will be plenty of BMWs in the parking lot at the new mall on Council, just as there are in Grapevine or Allen, TX outlet malls. Everyone wants a bargain, regardless of income. With that, the retail establishments look for desirable demographics. Unfortunately, the 2.5 and 5-mile radius average income of Crossroads mall is not nearly high enough to attract retail, whether it is outlet or not.

[mcca7596]

Like any other retail, outlet malls look for positive demographics. I guarantee you that there will be plenty of BMWs in the parking lot at the new mall on Council, just as there are in Grapevine or Allen, TX outlet malls. Everyone wants a bargain, regardless of income. With that, the retail establishments look for desirable demographics. Unfortunately, the 2.5 and 5-mile radius average income of Crossroads mall is not nearly high enough to attract retail, whether it is outlet or not.

The only BMWs parked at the outlet mall that will come from within a 5 mile radius would be from Yukon/Mustang.

[rcjunkie]

The only BMWs parked at the outlet mall that will come from within a 5 mile radius would be from Yukon/Mustang.

My daughter drives a BMW, lives in Norman, and she'll definately shop there.

[mcca7596]

My daughter drives a BMW, lives in Norman, and she'll definately shop there.

Right, I know it will bring people from all over the state. I said within a 5 mile radius that Yukon/Mustang is the only place an expensive foreign car would come from.

[ljbab728]

Right, I know it will bring people from all over the state. I said within a 5 mile radius that Yukon/Mustang is the only place an expensive foreign car would come from.

Are you not familiar with all of the relatively upscale housing areas located in OKC between Mustang and Yukon?

[soonerliberal]

Right, I know it will bring people from all over the state. I said within a 5 mile radius that Yukon/Mustang is the only place an expensive foreign car would come from.

You are missing the point. While people from all over the metro will come to a destination retail setting, the developers generally don't consider that. Developers look at the 5 mile and 10 mile median income (sometimes the 15 mile). The fact remains that Crossroads mall area has awful demographic data.

[megax11]

With southsides luck, it will become another pitiful office complex like Shephard Mall.

I say they lay waste to the entire area and redevelop if that's the case. Put a six flags there or somethin'.

[mcca7596]

Are you not familiar with all of the relatively upscale housing areas located in OKC between Mustang and Yukon?

I know where you are talking about, basically east of Morgan road. It's Mustang schools and all those people more so identify with Mustang even though they have an Oklahoma City address.

I guess there are better demographics in Oklahoma City proper around that area than I first thought.

[OKCNDN]

There are also many upscale homes just east of Lake Overholser.