Friends for a Better Boulevard

[CaptDave]

All mistakes that are made in normal intersections. The difference? When I've responded to those accidents (head-on collisions or 'T-bone'), we are usually taking someone away with on a stretcher. In a roundabout, regardless of the posted speeds outside of the roundabout, traffic in it usually max out at about 15mph (sometimes a tad faster). So the accidents are more the fender-bender style.

Not to mention the angle of impact in roundabouts are oblique rather than closer to perpendicular and the direction of travel is the same. These two factors greatly reduce the force of impact.

[OKVision4U]

OK, so when are we breaking ground and pouring concrete? .... It's time to pull this project through the "fog" of design and get it going. The longer we delay, the longer the economic waters remain stagnant.

Pick the BEST design, and then let's all get behind it, and push.

[BoulderSooner]

OK, so when are we breaking ground and pouring concrete? .... It's time to pull this project through the "fog" of design and get it going. The longer we delay, the longer the economic waters remain stagnant.

Pick the BEST design, and then let's all get behind it, and push.

from the new ODOT 8 year plan .. the following are due for 2014

Bridge and Approaches BNSF bridge at Boulevard 7.9 mil let 5/2014
Grade, Draining, bridge and surface Boulevard from BNSF east to I40 6.1 mil let 5/2014
Grade, Draining, bridge and surface XTWN from western to the west side of walker 15 mil let 5/2014
Grade, Draining, bridge and surface XTOWN from just west of walker to west side of EKG 9 mil let 5/2014

[OKVision4U]

from the new ODOT 8 year plan .. the following are due for 2014

Bridge and Approaches BNSF bridge at Boulevard 7.9 mil let 5/2014
Grade, Draining, bridge and surface Boulevard from BNSF east to I40 6.1 mil let 5/2014
Grade, Draining, bridge and surface XTWN from western to the west side of walker 15 mil let 5/2014
Grade, Draining, bridge and surface XTOWN from just west of walker to west side of EKG 9 mil let 5/2014

Why isn't this pulled forward to 12/ 13. They won't have to be billed / make payment until (next calendar year? ). We don't need to wait until then? ...Why are we waiting until 5/14 ? ...please advise.

[BoulderSooner]

Why isn't this pulled forward to 12/ 13. They won't have to be billed / make payment until (next calendar year? ). We don't need to wait until then? ...Why are we waiting until 5/14 ? ...please advise.

there is not a final plan for the blvd ... so they can't build it yet

[OKVision4U]

there is not a final plan for the blvd ... so they can't build it yet

90 % off ALL major projects are not 100% design complete. Most start w/ a 60/40 ; 70/30 ; 80/20... Trust me, there are so many things that can be done ( Demo / Utilities / Cite ) that can be mobilized into action. We dont have to wait until 5/14 to "Let a Contract".

[BrettM2]

90 % off ALL major projects are not 100% design complete. Most start w/ a 60/40 ; 70/30 ; 80/20... Trust me, there are so many things that can be done ( Demo / Utilities / Cite ) that can be mobilized into action. We dont have to wait until 5/14 to "Let a Contract".

Considering 1) there are huge differences between each of the proposals and 2) it isn't in our control (Feds are reviewing), what you want won't happen. Just because you can type it on a message board (over and over and over) doesn't mean it is likely or feasible or best option or anything.

[Urban Pioneer]

This project is in the hands of the Federal Government. If ODOT had acted responsibly, it wouldn't be. So its their problem, not ours.

[OKVision4U]

Considering 1) there are huge differences between each of the proposals and 2) it isn't in our control (Feds are reviewing), what you want won't happen. Just because you can type it on a message board (over and over and over) doesn't mean it is likely or feasible or best option or anything.

..what you don't understand is " There is always differences between proposals ". That is the nature of Large Invitiatives. There is always (some one reviewing), Like I said before, there many things that can be done to PULL it forward.

I'm not "just typing to see it on a board" , but when you get in that large conference room, they need to put excuses aside, and get this moving. This is the "$1 Billion in Economic Development waiting on a small street". NOW, I ask all of you, why are we not PULLING THIS THING THROUGH ? I don't care who gets the credit, let's just make it happen.

[Plutonic Panda]

This project is in the hands of the Federal Government. If ODOT had acted responsibly, it wouldn't be. So its their problem, not ours.

Just out of curiosity, I thought the plan all along was then feds were going to review it, was that not originally in the plan and ODOT did something to force them to review it????

[BrettM2]

..what you don't understand is " There is always differences between proposals ". That is the nature of Large Invitiatives. There is always (some one reviewing), Like I said before, there many things that can be done to PULL it forward.

I'm not "just typing to see it on a board" , but when you get in that large conference room, they need to put excuses aside, and get this moving. This is the "$1 Billion in Economic Development waiting on a small street". NOW, I ask all of you, why are we not PULLING THIS THING THROUGH ? I don't care who gets the credit, let's just make it happen.

So which option do they start with? Returning to the grid? That's extremely different than the original ODOT proposal. Do they start prepping to build a high-speed, elevated boulevard even though it isn't approved? Doing that would negate the grid option. I would much rather see this done right than fast. That was the problem with the original ODOT proposal. They tried to push through something so "it could just get done." Not everything has to happen "RIGHT THIS INSTANT OR, OMG, WE ARE RUINING EVERYTHING!!!"

[OKVision4U]

So which option do they start with? Returning to the grid? That's extremely different than the original ODOT proposal. Do they start prepping to build a high-speed, elevated boulevard even though it isn't approved? Doing that would negate the grid option. I would much rather see this done right than fast. That was the problem with the original ODOT proposal. They tried to push through something so "it could just get done." Not everything has to happen "RIGHT THIS INSTANT OR, OMG, WE ARE RUINING EVERYTHING!!!"

Didn't we just tear down that last "elevated" roadway? ...so I don't see why we need to elevate anything. It is my clear understanding that the (elevated roadways restrict commerce) & place additional barriers to development. So why are we even (discussing that option?).

[BrettM2]

Didn't we just tear down that last "elevated" roadway? ...so I don't see why we need to elevate anything. It is my clear understanding that the (elevated roadways restrict commerce) & place additional barriers to development. So why are we even (discussing that option?).

Because one of the options has the Boulevard elevated over Western. Have you actually looked at the plans that are being reviewed? If not, why are you demanding something start immediately without even knowing what the possibilities are?

[OKVision4U]

Because one of the options has the Boulevard elevated over Western. Have you actually looked at the plans that are being reviewed? If not, why are you demanding something start immediately without even knowing what the possibilities are?

..and that option is still on the table? Then that certainly makes my point. When the (elevated option) is still under consideration ( this is like having an option of buidling a 15 story building next to the airport..???) It may be an option, but this is not the direction we are going to go.

[Plutonic Panda]

..and that option is still on the table? Then that certainly makes my point. When the (elevated option) is still under consideration ( this is like having an option of buidling a 15 story building next to the airport..???) It may be an option, but this is not the direction we are going to go.

Dallas has a 15 story(possibly large) hotel right in DFW airport city limits and it is awesome, I believe there are actually a few mid rises. Just sayin

[BrettM2]

..and that option is still on the table? Then that certainly makes my point. When the (elevated option) is still under consideration ( this is like having an option of buidling a 15 story building next to the airport..???) It may be an option, but this is not the direction we are going to go.

I agree that we shouldn't, but the city isn't paying for this so it isn't solely their choice.

[OKVision4U]

This project is in the hands of the Federal Government. If ODOT had acted responsibly, it wouldn't be. So its their problem, not ours.

If this is in OKC Metro, and it is slowing down the Economic Develoment Machine that is in place ( called momentum ), then why would we pull our hands off the Responsiblity Button? ...and this should be a lesson for other initiatives too: Ie. ...going through the RailRoad Industry that is historically slow, and one-sided. Le'ts keep ALL the authority in our own hands, so we can control the outcome w/ greater certainty.

[OKVision4U]

I agree that we shouldn't, but the city isn't paying for this so it isn't solely their choice.

No, it is ALL the cities choice. We are going with the other option, and you can help pay for it later. We are letting the Finance Dept. hold up the Design Dept. ...and contracting.

[warreng88]

This is my impression of OKVision4U for everything that hasn't been done yet:

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[CuatrodeMayo]

There are over 1800 posts in this thread. Do yourself (and the rest of us) a favor and read them before you starting posting. If you would take the time to educate yourself, you wouldn't be asking these questions.

[OKVision4U]

There are over 1800 posts in this thread. Do yourself (and the rest of us) a favor and read them before you starting posting. If you would take the time to educate yourself, you wouldn't be asking these questions.

Guys, you will find that I'm that concerned about your opinion ( and reading your 1800 post ). I am only looking for results. High Value Results w/ accountability.

Most projects all projects run into hurdles tha slow them down a bit. I made my point(s) that we need to push harder, and not let up.

[OKCisOK4me]

Guys, you will find that I'm that concerned about your opinion ( and reading your 1800 post ). I am only looking for results. High Value Results w/ accountability.

Most projects all projects run into hurdles tha slow them down a bit. I made my point(s) that we need to push harder, and not let up.

Your "go get em" spirit is way too high. Are you a member of one of those "praise Jesus out loud" churches?

[OKVision4U]

Your "go get em" spirit is way too high. Are you a member of one of those "praise Jesus out loud" churches?

...Yes I am ! ....and now, I will change my prayer for you.

[OKCisOK4me]

...Yes I am ! ....and now, I will change my prayer for you.

Oh joy, lol.

[Urban Pioneer]

Push harder??? Where were you last year? lol

This project is on auto pilot. There is absolutely nothing we can do except continue to write the Feds and wait for the next public meeting.

Oh... and buy Bob Kemper another drink.