2017 Oklahoma Commercial Aviation Discussion

[catch22]

I can't believe the regulatory hammer hasn't come down on Allegiant yet. Such a terrible company.

And this is the problem with less than daily flights.

[Richard at Remax]

So they offered each passenger, around 200 total, a $300 voucher. I don't know how much it costs to operate that flight, but it seems to me they could have got another plane over there and "saved the day" while staying in your customers good graces. Telling people they can catch a flight on Thursday is unacceptable.

[shawnw]

Also, it makes it seem like they have, like, one airplane. Which can't be good in and of itself.

[Richard at Remax]

http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2017/0...-thursday.html

A little bit of an update. You feel for these passengers.

[gopokes88]

Huge July. Up 9% YOY

http://www.flyokc.com/statistics/Jul...nplanement.pdf

[catch22]

Huge July. Up 9% YOY

http://www.flyokc.com/statistics/Jul...nplanement.pdf

Very good numbers. United will be adding a bank and beefing up existing banks in Denver soon, we may be able to snag an extra OKC flight.

[s00nr1]

Impressive -- especially the huge bump for AA.

[catch22]

If Alaska were smart they'd add SAN-OKC before Frontier does, daily E175 service would be perfect instead of less than daily Airbus. I believe they bit off more than they could chew with the Virgin purchase, they are getting caught with their pants down with building pressure from United, Southwest, and Delta. They are also suffering transitioning E175 service to Horizon (owned by Alaska) and starting their own ground handling company (also owned in house). I think they will eventually digest it, but they are very lathargic right now and seem to not be able to focus resources in the right places to organize everything they have decided to do at once.

[catch22]

Very good numbers. United will be adding a bank and beefing up existing banks in Denver soon, we may be able to snag an extra OKC flight.

Nevermind, United dropping mainline to OKC in the fall schedule load last night.

[gopokes88]

Nevermind, United dropping mainline to OKC in the fall schedule load last night.

What does that mean?

[catch22]

What does that mean?

Downgauge from Boeing 737-800/Airbus A319 mix to all RJ.

[gopokes88]

Downgauge from Boeing 737-800/Airbus A319 mix to all RJ.

Bummer but not surprising with frontier launching

[catch22]

Bummer but not surprising with frontier launching

Opposite for me, UA's Kirby is trying to deal a death blow to Frontier (at least for their DEN operation). I expect them to actually add more capacity to try and squeeze Frontier's DEN re-expansion attempt. But they did the opposite.

[gopokes88]

Related:

http://m.newsok.com/article/5560159

"Aerospace reaches new heights in Oklahoma"

"A study released Monday by the Oklahoma Aeronautics Commission estimates the industries now are the second-largest sector of Oklahoma's economy, generating an annual economic impact of about $43.8 billion."

That's a little less than a 1/4 of the total state GDP.

[TheTravellers]

Not directly related to Oklahoma, but a very eye-opening read:

How We Ruined Airline Jobs

[OUman]

Whoever compiled this information apparently got it from the Official Airline Guide (OAG) list of schedules. I found this very interesting. It shows an "at-a-glance" overview of airlines and destinations at OKC in 1975 (first link) and a more detailed look at the schedules and aircraft types to/from OKC. Of particular note are the flights to/from LAW and the number of airlines/daily flights between OKC and TUL. Also note the then Frontier Airlines flying Convair 580s between Oklahoma City and Amarillo (AMA), Enid, Liberal, and Stillwater. Also note the AA/TWA 707s we got.

- OKC April 1975 At-A-glance

- Detailed flight schedules (Doesn't look like these are local times specific to time zones, but rather to central time; no way you're making it to LGA from OKC in an hr and 40 min in a 727).

The main website is Departed Flights, lots of cool information there. Again, not sure if it's all 100% authentic, but the website does say it's been attained from the OAG, which itself is a robust source of information for everything about flights and schedules.

[HOT ROD]

also note the meal service offered.

[BG918]

Of particular note are the flights to/from LAW and the number of airlines/daily flights between OKC and TUL.

I flew OKC-TUL a couple times in the 90's. Delta flew this route if I remember correctly. Still probably the shortest commercial flight I've ever been on.

I remember the last time I flew between OKC and TUL was in 2002 on...Great Plains Airlines. It was TUL-COS with a stop in OKC. I hope someday OKC and TUL can be linked to Colo. Springs again, great little airport and much easier than DEN for accessing the mountains (Hwy 24 > I-70). Western Pacific also flew OKC and TUL-COS in the 90's.

[OUman]

^Yeah, I have flown between OKC and TUL as well when DL operated the route (once in 737-200, once in a 727-200Adv.). The first time in '93 and the second time in '96. But the DL daily was the only one at that time. The 1975 schedules have a siginificant number more daily flights between TUL and OKC, which is quite surprising. My guess is they were stops for picking up more passengers on the way to a hub or something. No way a planeload of passengers are flying between TUL and OKC only to get off the plane at either airport. This is also before deregulation so I'm guessing that also had a decent amount to do with the Tulsa flights.

[pure]

in 96, on the way home from a family vacation, I remember a flight from SLC to OKC, with a layover in TUL, A lot of people got off in Tulsa, I don't recall anyone getting on (those that were continuing to OKC just stayed on board), so the flight to OKC was fairly probably only half full.

[BG918]

in 96, on the way home from a family vacation, I remember a flight from SLC to OKC, with a layover in TUL, A lot of people got off in Tulsa, I don't recall anyone getting on (those that were continuing to OKC just stayed on board), so the flight to OKC was fairly probably only half full.

Maybe the Delta OKC-TUL flight was just an add-on to the SLC route, I can't remember. You could purchase tickets on it though. One time was the only time in my life where I went up to the airport ticket counter and bought a ticket for the half hour flight.

Back on topic, I noticed Frontier has their scheduled loaded from OKC-DEN starting November 1. Looked at November 4 and you can fly one-way to Denver for $45..

[OUman]

Maybe the Delta OKC-TUL flight was just an add-on to the SLC route, I can't remember. You could purchase tickets on it though. One time was the only time in my life where I went up to the airport ticket counter and bought a ticket for the half hour flight.

Back on topic, I noticed Frontier has their scheduled loaded from OKC-DEN starting November 1. Looked at November 4 and you can fly one-way to Denver for $45..

You're correct, it was part of ATL-TUL-OKC-SLC-SJC (and back in the other direction starting at SJC). I guess the turnpike wasn't as popular back then as it is now. Of course we didn't have the security process back then that we have now either, such in-state short flights were probably a more popular option for some people. I recall AA had a flight (which I flew down to DFW on) where it continued from DFW to Nashville (BNA), then Knoxville (TYS). Operated with a Fokker 100. I had only that opportunity to fly in that plane but it was a great flight, very smooth. Loved the oval windows as well.

On the Frontier flights, I wonder what the total charge would be after you add in the extra fees if you're checking in luggage, reserving a seat etc.

[gopokes88]

Second straight 9% growth month. Everyone is growing at a nice clip. (sans Alaska which is basically capped out capacity wise.) When Frontier restarts in November growth will push even higher.

https://flyokc.com/sites/default/fil...nplanement.pdf

[catch22]

Second straight 9% growth month. Everyone is growing at a nice clip. (sans Alaska which is basically capped out capacity wise.) When Frontier restarts in November growth will push even higher.

https://flyokc.com/sites/default/fil...nplanement.pdf

Very impressive. Alaska seems to be in over their heads with the merger. Normally they would have added capacity by now but I think they are overwhelmed to the point of new markets not being visible in their spreadsheets.

United is reducing capacity ahead of the Frontier entry.

[catch22]

Josh, Any word on where Frontier will park? Did Allegiant lease Gate 12 or is Gate 12 still common use?