That's true, Just the Facts. I was only referring to 2 teams from the same conference playing each other under the old bowl set up (pre-BCS) with the statement you quoted because someone mentioned it earlier...
The second part of my statement then talks about how 2 teams from the same conference could possibly play for a national championship under the current BCS system...
They might as well just call Bedlam the NC game this year.
Very true. Once we start assuming wins, something is going to happen and a loss will pop up. What is the real OU? Texas was a hyped rivalry...whoever taps into the emotions more can go crazy. KSU looks like a tripping point for OU prior to OSU. Baylor also can't be overlooked this season.
TCU will be a great addition to the Big 12. I moved back to Oklahoma City from Tarrant County and there are 1.7 million in the Fort Worth-Arlington area which is nearly twice that of Oklahoma County. Dallas proper is maxed-out and is growing at a slow pace (no room to grow); so the Fort Worth area is reaping those benefits.
My concerns with TCU is that it's a private university and probably won't add as much flavor to the Big 12 as would a school like West Virginia. As TCU enters the Big 12, money in Dallas will eventually force the Big 12 to accept SMU, another private university in which encompasses an area in & around it that is more restricted than some small towns in Oklahoma--meaning that you can't purchase beer there.
Welcome to the Big 12 T.C.U...
SMU is not joining the Big 12. It's already been stayed no more Texas schools. I hope this holds up because I have no interest in adding anyone else from Texas. OU already plays in Dallas every year. There is nothing that SMU brings for them or others...
What about Tulsa?
Big 12 going to leave them out as usual like the entire state of Oklahoma (especially OKC) does?
The main reason I would expect is against Tulsa is it does not bring nearly as many new possible new viewers for negotiating contracts as most any other large university; the stadium size also makes it harder for them to compete financially (which might potentially be offset somewhat depending on how the luxury suites do their) and it has the smallest undergraduate enrollment of all schools that participate in NCAA Bowl Sub-Division football.
Well, sometime a boost is all it takes. If the Big 12 gives them a chance, just look at the shared revenue Tulsa will be getting. They will be able to greatly expand their stadium and sports program, especially football. As they grow, time will come when they will be just as big as OSU and OU. Getting Tulsa is better than nothing. Invite them, then we'd be at 12 teams...presto! Then we look at the other possible teams in discussion and Big 12 could easily change into Big 14 or even 16.
Edit - If we get into 16 teams, the OU vs OSU bedlem games may change. I think the 16th game should be called Sweet 16 Rivalry or something against Tulsa.
Tulsa is not getting an invite. Period.
Market size gets brought up a lot because people say SMU brings the Dallas market. Reality is that no one in Dallas cares about SMU athletics. SMU would be better than Tulsa for expansion, but not by much. Both would be terrible choices.
Tulsa, as others have said, brings nothing. The Tulsa area is already tuning into watch OSU or OU so they do nothing but dilute the revenue in the conference - not expand it. The point of these expansions is to grow the revenue of the conference. Tulsa does none of that. They are also a typically weak competitor in football, so they aren't going to get the opportunities to get their games broadcast. If we really want another whipping boy, then we should do Memphis. Either way, it is all pointless discussion. Tulsa is happy in Conference USA and would see no reason to switch...at least not the $7+ million reasons that would be required to leave CUSA.
I think the OB, and other bowls for that matter, refer to their own event date. Thus Jan. 2012 will be the 2012 OB and not the 2011 OB. See, for example: http://www.orangebowl.org/orange_bowl/information.aspx
But yes, the OB participants are picked using criteria focused on their performance in the fall of the prior year.
I believe the same held true back in the 78 OB. The Hawgs were impressive that night, to the shock, of many, including die-hard Hawg fans. If you were Sooner born and bred, it was a sad night.
According to ESPN, OU is looking to replace the TCU non conference game next year with Arkansas. Along with the Notre Dame game that makes a very ambitious non conference schedule if it works out.
This was in David Ubben's blog on October 14th:
"Scott in Oklahoma asked: David, with tcu coming into the fold next year, is the big 12 just going to give them the a&m schedule or will they redo them all together and give osu another catered home game vs. Ou as they have the these last two years? Or will it be another team? Also, will they change next years ou tcu game to a conference game or will it stay as a non conference game ala the colorado cal game this year?
DU: All valid administrative questions that haven't been addressed in this space. Let's change that.
For now, when the Big 12 moves on as a ten-team league in 2012, the schedule is being reworked. TCU won't just slide into Texas A&M's spot. That means they likely won't be the Longhorns' Thanksgiving opponent, a tradition Texas would like to continue. UT president Bill Powers says "a lot of teams are in the mix" for a new opponent. There's lots of talk about Texas Tech filling that role, but it's very much in the air for now. The Big 12 isn't worried about that currently. You've got to know your configuration next year and beyond before you get too concerned about scheduling. That issue will be pushed to the forefront more during the offseason.
As of now, TCU-OU is up in the air, too. It might be kept as an early season game, but like I mentioned earlier, that's up in the air. TCU doesn't have anything to worry about. With a 10-team league and nine-game schedule, they just slide OU in as a conference game and keep their nonconference games with Grambling State, Virginia and SMU. That's a decent set of games. TCU-OU won't be an awkward conference nonconference game like Colorado-Cal this year.
For Oklahoma? Things are a little more complicated. TCU is a good secondary game, but the Sooners already have a home-and-home with Notre Dame (!) on the schedule for 2012 and 2013, but Oklahoma is reportedly looking at replacing the TCU game with Arkansas. That's one heck of a nonconference schedule for the Sooners if it happens. That's nothing new. Oklahoma is the most ambitious scheduling program in the Big 12, and that's a stated goal of the school: to put a compelling product on the field for its fans and schedule to get an edge in the BCS rankings. "
It said he got his info from an article in the Austin Statesman so it's not from the horse's mouth yet anyway.
http://www.statesman.com/sports/long...n-1904573.html
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