Big 12 Conference

[Pete]

More and more reports from credible outlets that OU & Texas to the SEC will be announced next week; maybe even be within 48 hours.

The expected vote is 13-1 with only A&M objecting.

[Richard at Remax]

If this happens I would expect TCU, Texas Tech, OSU, and Baylor to join the pac 12. Make an east (usc, ucla, stanford, cal, oregon, oregon state, washington, washington state) and west (arizona, asu, colorado, utah, tcu, texas tech, baylor, ok state)

I would think Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa state would eventually get eaten by the Big 10. Maybe West Virginia. Or West Virginia and Notre Dame would join the ACC.

[Pete]

The Big 10 would never take K-State or WV, as both have bad academics.

I'm not sure the Pac 12 would take the others for the same reason and in the case of TCU and especially Baylor, their religious ties.

[Pete]

These are the latest academic rankings by US News:

[dcsooner]

These are the latest academic rankings by US News:

As a graduate, I am disappointed OU’s academic ranking is so low and apparently the state and university leadership is ok with mediocrity

[Pete]

As a graduate, I am disappointed OU’s academic ranking is so low and apparently the state and university leadership is ok with mediocrity

It's been a bit better in the past but the saddest thing about looking at that chart is how almost every other state has at least one excellent university while Oklahoma has none.

[FighttheGoodFight]

As a graduate, I am disappointed OU’s academic ranking is so low and apparently the state and university leadership is ok with mediocrity

Gotta invest in the school. Not a popular thing here.

I do think OU Health is a good step forward and Harroz will do good work. Going to fight and uphill battle though.

[mugofbeer]

Gotta invest in the school. Not a popular thing here.

I do think OU Health is a good step forward and Harroz will do good work. Going to fight and uphill battle though.

I haven't seen analysis but l would have to think the additional revenue from being in the SEC would be significantly higher. Since OU doesn't have a significant number of large corporate donors like schools back east and on the west coast, OU athletics should be able to get a significant boost in funding just from athletics revenue.

Hopefully, better game times and greater visiting fan following can benefit local businesses and virtually every game would be a "big" game.

[C_M_25]

I haven't seen analysis but l would have to think the additional revenue from being in the SEC would be significantly higher. Since OU doesn't have a significant number of large corporate donors like schools back east and on the west coast, OU athletics should be able to get a significant boost in funding just from athletics revenue.

Hopefully, better game times and greater visiting fan following can benefit local businesses and virtually every game would be a "big" game.

A lot of you guys are suffering from that new car smell just a bit. If things work out like has been discussed with an East/west division in the SEC, you would likely have the following in your league:

1. Texas
2. Texas a&m
3. Arkansas
4. Ole Miss
5. Miss St
6. Mizzou
7. LSU

You will have some big hitters in there, and it is a step up from the big 12. However, you’re a long way from “every game is a big game.”

Edit: changed my mistakes on the expected teams in the west division.

[Swake]

These are the latest academic rankings by US News:

US News rankings are not very reliable.

What the BIG 10 cares about is AAU membership. Nebraska is the only school in the BIG 10 that isn't a member, and when they were a AAU member when they moved but lost membership soon after. The only AAU members in the Big 12 are Texas, KU and ISU.

https://www.aau.edu/who-we-are/our-members

[Pete]

US News rankings are not very reliable.

What the BIG 10 cares about is AAU membership. Nebraska is the only school in the BIG 10 that isn't a member, and when they were a AAU member when they moved but lost membership soon after. The only AAU members in the Big 12 are Texas, KU and ISU.

https://www.aau.edu/who-we-are/our-members

It's as reliable as any academic metric and I included the numbers just to provide a general perspective.

Everyone knows it's not a scientific measure.

[Richard at Remax]

I dunno, I think the days of choosing schools because of academics are past us. The big 10 added Rutgers and Maryland and while yes they are good academic schools, to me the actually devalued the perceptive brand of the big 10. I think Nebraska helped but holy crap they are terrible now.

[Pete]

I dunno, I think the days of choosing schools because of academics are past us. The big 10 added Rutgers and Maryland and while yes they are good academic schools, to me the actually devalued the perceptive brand of the big 10. I think Nebraska helped but holy crap they are terrible now.

Look at the numbers above; Maryland and Rutgers are both excellent state universities and when the Big 10 admitted Nebraska they were still part of the AAU.

The Pac took lowly Oregon St. and Washington St. because of the package deal with U of Oregon and U-dub.

Academics do matter to conferences except the Big 12 and maybe the SEC.

[dcsooner]

Look at the numbers above; Maryland and Rutgers are both excellent state universities and when the Big 10 admitted Nebraska they were still part of the AAU.

The Pac took lowly Oregon St. and Washington St. because of the package deal with U of Oregon and U-dub.

Academics do matter to conferences except the Big 12 and maybe the SEC.

Another +1 and zeros

[soonermike81]

Look at the numbers above; Maryland and Rutgers are both excellent state universities and when the Big 10 admitted Nebraska they were still part of the AAU.

The Pac took lowly Oregon St. and Washington St. because of the package deal with U of Oregon and U-dub.

Academics do matter to conferences except the Big 12 and maybe the SEC.

Pretty sure wsu and osu were original pac-10 members.

[Pete]

Pretty sure wsu and osu were original pac-10 members.

Yes, that's correct.

Even original to the Pac 8.

[Bill Robertson]

After OU and UT go to the SEC there will be 8 teams left in the Big12 and 8 openings total in the ACC, Big10 and PAC12 if they want to create 4 16 team conferences. Doesn't it seem logical that the conferences will somehow make that happen?

[Bill Robertson]

Also just saw on ESPN that the PAC12 has stated that they are "Interested in taking in new members".

[soonermike81]

Also just saw on ESPN that the PAC12 has stated that they are "Interested in taking in new members".

Wow, this seems to be moving fast! But I guess it’s not that fast if things have been in the works for 6 months now.

[SEMIweather]

My best guess:

KU and ISU to the Big Ten
OSU, Tech, TCU, K-State to the Pac-12
WVU and Cincy to the ACC
Baylor to the AAC

[Bill Robertson]

My best guess:

KU and ISU to the Big Ten
OSU, Tech, TCU, K-State to the Pac-12
WVU and Cincy to the ACC
Baylor to the AAC

Yeah. But Baylor not in the "Power 4". Yes they have had issues lately but they've also been a decent to good FB program even with the scandals. Personally I'd love to see them fade into oblivion for their lack of control. I'm just not sure that will happen.

[SEMIweather]

Yeah. But Baylor not in the "Power 4". Yes they have had issues lately but they've also been a decent to good FB program even with the scandals. Personally I'd love to see them fade into oblivion for their lack of control. I'm just not sure that will happen.

Big Ten won’t take them due to geography. Pac-12 won’t take them due to their overtly religious profile (as opposed to TCU which is mostly a religious school in name only). It’ll all depend on whether or not they can make a better impression on the ACC than Cincinnati, IMO. I actually tend to think Baylor would do fine in the AAC. They’d likely continue to be a basketball powerhouse and would also stand to go 9-3 or better in football most years. And I personally don’t have much ill will against Baylor now after they cleaned house back in 2016. Enjoyed seeing them win March Madness a few months back. Just stating what I feel is the most likely outcome. The main reason Baylor got into the Big XII in the first place was due to having a lot of influence in Texas politics back in the mid-90’s, and that influence is much less now.

[Bill Robertson]

Big Ten won’t take them due to geography. Pac-12 won’t take them due to their overtly religious profile (as opposed to TCU which is mostly a religious school in name only). It’ll all depend on whether or not they can make a better impression on the ACC than Cincinnati, IMO. I actually tend to think Baylor would do fine in the AAC. They’d likely continue to be a basketball powerhouse and would also stand to go 9-3 or better in football most years. And I personally don’t have much ill will against Baylor now after they cleaned house back in 2016. Enjoyed seeing them win March Madness a few months back. Just stating what I feel is the most likely outcome. The main reason Baylor got into the Big XII in the first place was due to having a lot of influence in Texas politics back in the mid-90’s, and that influence is much less now.

All this is accurate and makes sense. But Baylor has spent the last ? years working on becoming a national FB program. Not being in the new "Power 4" would be a big kick in the nuts. Will non "Power 4" teams have a shot at the possible 12 team playoff?

[Pete]

Given the even bigger power of the SEC if this comes to pass, the other conferences are going to have to step up.

[SEMIweather]

Given the even bigger power of the SEC if this comes to pass, the other conferences are going to have to step up.

Yep, that’s why it seems fairly likely IMO that everyone is going to go to 16 teams in short order. Arguably the fact that the Big XII stayed at ten for a decade is why this is happening in the first place.