Electric Vehicles

[Plutonic Panda]

https://www.okctalk.com/showthread.p...68#post1202068

I am looking for an e bike for LA commuting. I have several bikes I use recreationally but with the hills and getting sweaty I don’t want to use them for commuting. I’m looking for an e bike for this very purpose as I think it could help. I have biked several times from Edmond to I-240 and Shields. Easy commute other than unfriendly drivers. Still, I wish they’d expand Spokies across the metro along bike paths. Good deal as LA Metro bike share has had e bikes for a few years now.

[betts]

Yeah this is the energy density problem renewables have.

There is no zero sum, everything in life has trade offs. The annoying thing (as an O&G/construction guy) about the greenies, is they don't seem to believe that or care.

The amount of land and raw materials it takes to generate the same power a nat gas or nuclear power plant can, renewables is exponentially greater needs land wise.

While renewables will continue to grow, this debate is coming soon. What really is the best use of farmland in Kansas? Growing food and running the electricity via nat gas plants OR covering it with wind and solar? Which shreds birds and causes erosion and soil degradation (solar).

Society is 9 meals away from total collapse.

The problem is: Will global warming make farming in Kansas untenable? Your argument may be moot in 20 years if we don’t act, and quickly. And widespread use of pesticides is removing birds and the insects that birds depend upon for food, so shredding birds likely won’t be an issue.

https://time.com/5824295/climate-cha...possibilities/

[shawnw]

I am looking for an e bike for LA commuting. I have several bikes I use recreationally but with the hills and getting sweaty I don’t want to use them for commuting. I’m looking for an e bike for this very purpose as I think it could help. I have biked several times from Edmond to I-240 and Shields. Easy commute other than unfriendly drivers. Still, I wish they’d expand Spokies across the metro along bike paths. Good deal as LA Metro bike share has had e bikes for a few years now.

So you have to... walk to the bike path to get a bike? J/K I know what you mean. But unfortunately spokies is highly underfunded (as is all non-car infra). They just got 53 dockless ebikes which have been placed all over downtown. Meanwhile the old bikes have been pulled so their retrofit kits can be installed so they can all be on the same app since the ebikes were from a different vendor (Drop Mobility) than the old bikes (B Cycle).

Understand what you mean about sweating. I use my ebike for commuting but often use my non-ebike when I'm just piddling around downtown (but have also used it to commute).

I'd probably get a Van Moof if I had it to do all over again, though several others have caught my eye of late. But Van Moofs have the best security (built in GPS) so might be ideal for an LA situation.

[BoulderSooner]

The problem is: Will global warming make farming in Kansas untenable? Your argument may be moot in 20 years if we don’t act, and quickly. And widespread use of pesticides is removing birds and the insects that birds depend upon for food, so shredding birds likely won’t be an issue.

https://time.com/5824295/climate-cha...possibilities/

lol

[Jersey Boss]

Car and Driver just published a comprehensive review of owning a Tesla 3 for 2 years.

What they have to say about maintenance and efficiency is very interesting:

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-maintenance/

Adding to your info about Tesla batteries.
https://www.slashgear.com/857917/rep...han-you-think/

[PhiAlpha]

The problem is: Will global warming make farming in Kansas untenable? Your argument may be moot in 20 years if we don’t act, and quickly. And widespread use of pesticides is removing birds and the insects that birds depend upon for food, so shredding birds likely won’t be an issue.

https://time.com/5824295/climate-cha...possibilities/

Almost literally the same statement has consistently been made every year since the 1980s. If we don't act immediately, this will happen in 20 years...or if we don't act, that will all be gone in 10 years...if we don't act the world's going to end in 12 years. 99% of those predictions (fortunately) have not panned out. The alarmism is tiresome and is hurting what otherwise is a good cause.

Also we (the US) are acting, more so than most other countries in the world, especially key offenders like China and India. We have massively reduced our CO2 emmissions but we can't make them hold the same standards we do and we sure as hell should destroy our standard of living to do so.

[Elrenogolf]

Links to the statutes, etc. are here:

https://afdc.energy.gov/laws/all?state=OK

So you think people are going to give up cars for a $1200 incentive to get an e-bike? I'm not so sure about that. I'm going to get $7500 back (tax credit) from the federal gov't and $5500 back (tax credit) from the state gov't for purchasing a $30K electric car, not sure why more people wouldn't go *that* route than replace a car with an e-bike. And if you replace a regular bicycle with an e-bike, you'd actually be contributing to climate change instead of trying to fix it, lol....

This says the Oklahoma Alternative Fuel Vehicle (AFV) Tax Credit is only eligible for natural gas and propane. All I see is an additional electric vehicle fee. I'm not sure where you are seeing you will get a $5,500 Oklahoma income tax credit for an electric vehicle purchase.

[FighttheGoodFight]

This says the Oklahoma Alternative Fuel Vehicle (AFV) Tax Credit is only eligible for natural gas and propane. All I see is an additional electric vehicle fee. I'm not sure where you are seeing you will get a $5,500 Oklahoma income tax credit for an electric vehicle purchase.

Ya, Oklahoma definitely doesn't have an EV tax credit.

[TheTravellers]

This says the Oklahoma Alternative Fuel Vehicle (AFV) Tax Credit is only eligible for natural gas and propane. All I see is an additional electric vehicle fee. I'm not sure where you are seeing you will get a $5,500 Oklahoma income tax credit for an electric vehicle purchase.

Yep, you're right, I just skimmed over it, no biggie because I wasn't expecting a state tax credit, it would've just been a nice surprise.

[Martin]

i don't see anything there that clearly indicates that an EV doesn't qualify as an AFV under the state's definition... i'd definitely consult a tax specialist on that as i think you'd be eligible for a $5500 credit from the state.

[Elrenogolf]

i don't see anything there that clearly indicates that an EV doesn't qualify as an AFV under the state's definition... i'd definitely consult a tax specialist on that as i think you'd be eligible for a $5500 credit from the state.

Here is a link to the text of the 2019 house bill: https://legiscan.com/OK/text/HB2095/2019

When it describes what vehicles qualify, it says:

2. A motor vehicle originally equipped so that the vehicle may be propelled by a compressed natural gas, or liquefied natural gas or liquefied petroleum gas but only to the extent of the portion of the basis of such motor vehicle which is attributable to the storage of such fuel, the delivery to the engine of such motor vehicle of such fuel, and the exhaust of gases from combustion of such fuel.;

Here is a link to the form the $5,500 credit is claimed on Form 567-A. It reiterates the language in the bill above in them middle of the first page.

Also, Tesla's website for state and local EV tax credits doesn't have anything listed for Oklahoma.

And I would agree, this should be verified with a tax advisor but I just can't find anything that says electric vehicles qualify for an Oklahoma income tax credit.

[Pete]

This is a fantastic idea by Subaru and something that holds great appeal to me.

I would love my next car to be electric, but a couple of times a year I take long road trips. Having to plan an entire trip around where to charge would take a lot of fun out of those longer trips.

I hope more automakers realize this is an issue for some and start offering a similar program.

Solterra buyers will qualify for 10 free days use of a loaner vehicle, such as the gas-powered Outback and Forrester models

https://www.thedetroitbureau.com/202...s-free-energy/

[Urbanized]

That is a GREAT way to overcome the range objection that many people rightfully have.

Charging infrastructure will never be expedited until EVs make up an appreciable percentage of the national consumer fleet. It’s a classic chicken or egg moment.

[MagzOK]

I was thinking the other day about the rise of electric vehicles. Currently there are an estimated 1.4 billion vehicles on the planet. What are we going to do with the batteries we no longer can use? That is a lot of batteries. It just seems to be we're going to be dealing with an incredibly awful environmental hazard at some point.

[chssooner]

I was thinking the other day about the rise of electric vehicles. Currently there are an estimated 1.4 billion vehicles on the planet. What are we going to do with the batteries we no longer can use? That is a lot of batteries. It just seems to be we're going to be dealing with an incredibly awful environmental hazard at some point.

People just want to "go, go, go" and make these wholesale shifts from gas to electric, and things like this never cross their mind. They are so myopic in their thoughts, that anything other than their viewpoint is seen as wrong.

[king183]

People just want to "go, go, go" and make these wholesale shifts from gas to electric, and things like this never cross their mind. They are so myopic in their thoughts, that anything other than their viewpoint is seen as wrong.

There is actually a lot of thought that has gone into this, so if you bother to just research it you'll see that. There are entire industries sprouting around the business of recycling and reuse of these batteries, the development of new battery technology to extend life and reduce environmental hazards, etc. This is opposite of being myopic.

[shawnw]

I was thinking the other day about the rise of electric vehicles. Currently there are an estimated 1.4 billion vehicles on the planet. What are we going to do with the batteries we no longer can use? That is a lot of batteries. It just seems to be we're going to be dealing with an incredibly awful environmental hazard at some point.

There are battery recyclers/reconditions sprouting up. There's one right here in OKC actually.

https://www.spiersnewtechnologies.com/

There's an excellent episode on the Lt Gov's Innovate That podcast with the company's president that's worth a listen.

[Pete]

Press release:

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ODOT seeking public input, hosting virtual meeting on electric vehicle charging plan

The Oklahoma Department of Transportation is hosting a virtual public meeting to present information and get public feedback on Oklahoma’s Electric Vehicle Plan to expand the availability of EV charging stations along major highway corridors through a new federal program.

Oklahoma will receive $66 million in federal funding during the next five years through the National Electric Vehicle Infrastructure program to improve and expand its statewide network of EV charging stations. Through public-private partnerships, charging stations will be installed near interstates and other major highways and operated by external partners like truck stops, shopping centers, local governments and tribes.

This virtual meeting and presentation will provide members of the public and transportation stakeholders with a first look at the program and an opportunity to give input on how the funding should be allocated. This includes suggestions for Oklahoma highways and communities that need expanded EV charging capabilities and specific locations for stations.

Oklahoma’s EV Plan Virtual Meeting
Available June 20 through July 5
http://tiny.cc/EVpublicmeeting


The public can visit http://tiny.cc/EVpublicmeeting anytime to view a recorded presentation and to submit comments to ODOT through July 5. There is no in-person meeting scheduled for this program.

Federal guidelines require NEVI program funding to prioritize adding charging stations at least every 50 miles along interstates and other already-designated Alternative Fuel Corridors. These areas include major highway and turnpike corridors like US-69, US-81 and US-412 along the Cimarron and Cherokee turnpikes. Once these corridors in Oklahoma been addressed, the remaining federal funds can be used to build out EV charging infrastructure in other underserved areas.

Questions and comments may be directed to the ODOT Multimodal Division evok@odot.org. Those without internet access may contact the ODOT Multimodal Division by mail at 200 N.E. 21st St., Oklahoma City, OK 73105 to request information or submit a comment.

For more information about Oklahoma’s Electric Vehicle Infrastructure Program, visit https://oklahoma.gov/evok

[mugofbeer]

Unless it's already been done and I've just never noticed, there should be some sort of universal highway symbol for e-charging stations along the highways and generic advertising (if relevant) such as for restaurants, places of interest and hotels.

[shawnw]

I think that's coming. We were approached by a vendor to put charging stations in our parking lot (full cost paid by a grant) and they said part of the deal was indicating on the highway exit sign that there was a charging station at our location.

[HangryHippo]

Unless it's already been done and I've just never noticed, there should be some sort of universal highway symbol for e-charging stations along the highways and generic advertising (if relevant) such as for restaurants, places of interest and hotels.

Agreed. Was thinking about this very thing on a recent trip to Phoenix.

[Pete]

Somebody posted a funny photo of a car parked on the street with a very long extension cord running out of a house and across the sidewalk.

I've ranted about the idiocy of leaving your 2nd most valuable physical asset parked outside (at the mercy of the elements and thieves) when almost every home has a large garage.


Maybe the move to electric vehicles will slowly start to get people to clean the crap out of their garages to make room for the chargers and vehicles.

[DowntownMan]

Somebody posted a funny photo of a car parked on the street with a very long extension cord running out of a house and across the sidewalk.

I've ranted about the idiocy of leaving your 2nd most valuable physical asset parked outside (at the mercy of the elements and thieves) when almost every home has a large garage.


Maybe the move to electric vehicles will slowly start to get people to clean the crap out of their garages to make room for the chargers and vehicles.

Hasn’t changed for either of my two neighbors who have teslas! They both have boxes of junk in garage that I have never seen them move in years and the. Have extension cords running out to driveway every night to their cars..

Then they try to cover cars with cardboard when there is hail storms coming.

I just sit watch and laugh.

[Scott5114]

Unless it's already been done and I've just never noticed, there should be some sort of universal highway symbol for e-charging stations along the highways and generic advertising (if relevant) such as for restaurants, places of interest and hotels.

The proposed 11th Edition of the Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices has one:

[David]

That is the symbol that the Federal Highway Administration is using in their messaging, too, I just came across this tweet from yesterday with it: https://twitter.com/USDOTFHWA/status...84374196174848

To help build out a national network of 500K electric vehicle chargers by 2030, the @USDOT and @ENERGY today announced all 50 states, DC and PR have submitted EV infrastructure deployment plans as required under the NEVI Formula Program.

Biden-Harris Administration Announces All 50 States, DC and Puerto Rico Have Submitted Plans for National Electric Vehicle Charging Network