Oklahoma liquor laws

[ljbab728]

Sunday liquor sales on the way?

http://m.newsok.com/article/5542582

The Oklahoma Senate gave its approval Tuesday to a bill that could eventually let counties open up liquor stores on Sunday.

[jerrywall]

Sunday liquor sales on the way?

http://m.newsok.com/article/5542582

Them letting it be voted on a county basis is smart. If this passes, I'd expect Oklahoma and Tulsa counties to easily vote it through. This would have poor chances in a statewide vote.

[HangryHippo]

Them letting it be voted on a county basis is smart. If this passes, I'd expect Oklahoma and Tulsa counties to easily vote it through. This would have poor chances in a statewide vote.

Very smart. I hope it passes in Oklahoma county. I needed to buy some good beer this past Sunday and couldn't.

[riflesforwatie]

Very smart. I hope it passes in Oklahoma county. I needed to buy some good beer this past Sunday and couldn't.

I'm excited because we will be able to buy strong beer on Sundays at convenience and grocery stores whether this passes or not! But having liquor stores open on Sundays would be nice, too.

[jerrywall]

And in the meantime, some of the local breweries are open on Sundays and you can buy growlers from them. If only bars could sell/fill growlers too.

[HangryHippo]

I'm excited because we will be able to buy strong beer on Sundays at convenience and grocery stores whether this passes or not! But having liquor stores open on Sundays would be nice, too.

Excellent reminder. I'm looking forward to not being in the Dark Ages anymore as far as liquor laws go.

[bchris02]

Very smart. I hope it passes in Oklahoma county. I needed to buy some good beer this past Sunday and couldn't.

I have found that 3.2 Fat Tire isn't bad. It's certainly better than any of the other 3.2 options that are available and that includes COOP's attempts.

[ctchandler]

I am very interested in grocery delivery and there is one company starting to deliver next week and another coming soon. Neither of them will deliver 3.2 beer. Is there a state or local (Oklahoma County or Midwest City) ordinance against beer delivery? I think it might be because they will have drivers under the age of 21 but thought I would ask you good people what you know about the law.
Thanks,
C. T.

[d-usa]

Might be requirements about having to verify age before the purchase is made. If a kid orders the beer, you already sold it to him before the delivery guy can ever card him?

[ctchandler]

Might be requirements about having to verify age before the purchase is made. If a kid orders the beer, you already sold it to him before the delivery guy can ever card him?

Good point, however the purchase isn't made until the customer pays for the product. At least that's the way I see it.
C. T.

[d-usa]

Good point, however the purchase isn't made until the customer pays for the product. At least that's the way I see it.
C. T.

Most delivery places I know charge you before it ever leaves the store.

[ctchandler]

Most delivery places I know charge you before it ever leaves the store.

I pay cash, so that wouldn't be a problem. I think that they don't want the legal problems.
C. T.

[jerrywall]

I pay cash, so that wouldn't be a problem. I think that they don't want the legal problems.
C. T.

The fact you pay directly is the problem. The person doing the transaction must have a liquor license. When you order from a winery or a beer of the month club, your transaction is with the liquor license holder, and UPS or whomever is just delivering (although they still have to check ID).

[ctchandler]

The fact you pay directly is the problem. The person doing the transaction must have a liquor license. When you order from a winery or a beer of the month club, your transaction is with the liquor license holder, and UPS or whomever is just delivering (although they still have to check ID).

Jerry,
Good point, but we didn't discuss payment methods when I called them, they just said they will not deliver beer. Your point is probably one of many reasons they don't want to mess with it.
C. T,

[Mott]

Are we there , yet?
http://www.normantranscript.com/news...703f1d5fc.html

[bchris02]

http://www.news9.com/story/37569699/...t-to-sell-beer

[Bunty]

http://www.news9.com/story/37569699/...t-to-sell-beer

I wonder if most of those counties will be voting for liquor by the drink on June 26? Even if they do, it doesn't mean they will approve.

3.2% beer and calling it a non-intoxicating beverage has gone on as the height of ridiculousness for far too long. It's surely done more harm than good. Just the other day, I read in the public records part of the paper that someone was charged with a misdemeanor for being in possession of a non-intoxicating beverage. I assume the person was under 21.

[Urbanized]

http://www.news9.com/story/37569699/...t-to-sell-beer

I wondered when people would start waking up to the unintended consequences of the law change.

[catch22]

I wondered when people would start waking up to the unintended consequences of the law change.

Is that really a bad thing? Either get with the times or get out of the way. I predict sales tax losses in those counties will force them to consider allowing the stronger beer.

[stile99]

Could you expand on these unintended consequences? It sounds to me like these counties were given a choice and their choice was to do nothing in two years. If it's just lazy, then their laziness will be rewarded when the residents go one county over and do their business there. If they think sticking their heads in the sand will change the law, well then. That too will be rewarded, in the same way. 14 counties out of 77 is just over 18%. (18.181818 repeating) and that will lose any election. If you're implying that Ma and Pa Beer Barn will go out of business, and that's the unintended consequences, seems to me Ma and/or Pa could have gone to a couple meetings and said hey, get this up to a vote so I don't go out of business.

Sorry, I think catch22 pretty much nailed it right on the head. If these counties don't wake up before October, then they'll wake up soon after.

[bchris02]

Is that really a bad thing? Either get with the times or get out of the way. I predict sales tax losses in those counties will force them to consider allowing the stronger beer.

I agree.

The entire reason it has taken 2 years for the law to go into effect is to give those counties time to change their laws to avoid having to go dry. If it wasn't for those 14 counties, SQ 792 would already be in effect.

[Urbanized]

Is that really a bad thing? Either get with the times or get out of the way. I predict sales tax losses in those counties will force them to consider allowing the stronger beer.

Could you expand on these unintended consequences? It sounds to me like these counties were given a choice and their choice was to do nothing in two years. If it's just lazy, then their laziness will be rewarded when the residents go one county over and do their business there. If they think sticking their heads in the sand will change the law, well then. That too will be rewarded, in the same way. 14 counties out of 77 is just over 18%. (18.181818 repeating) and that will lose any election. If you're implying that Ma and Pa Beer Barn will go out of business, and that's the unintended consequences, seems to me Ma and/or Pa could have gone to a couple meetings and said hey, get this up to a vote so I don't go out of business.

Sorry, I think catch22 pretty much nailed it right on the head. If these counties don't wake up before October, then they'll wake up soon after.

Sorry, I was apparently being unclear. Unintended consequences sounded more negative than I intended (ANOTHER unintended consequence... )

What I meant was that I had not seen much reporting on how the law's changes would affect places currently only in the 3.2 beer business. And by "places" I mean beer bars, restaurants currently only serving 3.2, plus convenience stores in dry-ish counties like the ones mentioned above. I just get the impression the whole thing is going to be a giant surprise to some people who think they are going to be able to keep doing what they are currently doing, when 3.2 is likely to disappear entirely (I haven't heard confirmation of this; only assuming).

I know the state of Utah almost immediately recognized that Oklahoma's changes would affect them - they also depend on 3.2 beer - but since Oklahoma far and away consumes the bulk of all 3.2 produced in the U.S., the assumption in Utah is that brewers will simply stop offering 3.2 altogether when Oklahoma's laws go into affect. THAT is an example of someone recognizing unintended consequences.

Having held an ABLE-issued MXB license, I can tell you that getting permission to sell strong beer (which is exactly the same license as wine and liquor) is a pretty expensive and involved process. In some cases someone who holds a county-issued 3.2 permit won't even qualify for MXB or retail equivalent (for instance a convenience store or restaurant owner with a past felony conviction, or even someone with a silent partner of more than 15% ownership who has a felony conviction).

Also as noted in the article there are counties where it is simply illegal to hold an MXB or the type of off-premises consumption liquor/wine/strong beer licensing that liquor stores must have. I'm simply not hearing much regarding the process to transition 3.2 establishments to strong beer and possibly liquor, and if too many people are sleeping I'm guessing implementation will be rocky, and lots of people are going to be really surprised on the day when the switch is flipped.

Those are the types of unintended consequences I'm talking about.

[foodiefan]

. . .any thoughts on Senate Bill 1394??
http://web-extract.constantcontact.c...D1487688018000

[Jersey Boss]

. 14 counties out of 77 is just over 18%. (18.181818 repeating) and that will lose any election. If you're implying that Ma and Pa Beer Barn will go out of business, and that's the unintended consequences, seems to me Ma and/or Pa could have gone to a couple meetings and said hey, get this up to a vote so I don't go out of business.

I wonder what % of the state population resides in those backwaters?

[Jersey Boss]

. . .any thoughts on Senate Bill 1394??
http://web-extract.constantcontact.c...D1487688018000

I've contacted my Senator to voice my disapproval. Totally self serving as it would impact me significantly more.