Heartland Flyer Problems

[CaptDave]

As a sidebar to this thread - I owe ou48a an apology.

I incorrectly stated he exclusively backed highway based transportation infrastructure and investment. He has made statements supporting rail based transportation in the past. I mixed him up with another poster.

I still disagree with him on the substance of our previous debate, but I was wrong on this point.

[Just the facts]

Where did this Tea Party thing come from?

I only ask because when I run into some of my tea party friends I hear the same logic from them. The idea that future generations will want it doesn't jive with reality where gallons of fuel used and mile driven peaked in 2005 and have been declining every since, plus the change in household demographics that suggest suburbia will be dead in a generation.

Vehicle Miles Driven - Business Insider

And just in case anyone thinks I am making the problem up...

http://www.theatlanticcities.com/hou...g-crisis/4863/

[RadicalModerate]

(psst . . . jtf . . . it's "jibe" not "jive" . . . i agree with you too much on too many issues to let that slide. =)

It takes me 13 hours to drive from OKC to M/St.P.
If I wanted to go by train, it would take the trip to Ft. Worth to get the connection to Chicago (24 hours, Texas Eagle) and then whatever ride/time goes from Chicago to The Twin Cities where I would rent a car for the rest of the week. I think tickets for two would probably be about $600 total. I can rent a car for over a week for maybe two-thirds of that. Just sayin'.

Not that I wouldn't RATHER make the trip by train (journey a.c.t. destination and all that--plus i love trains) it simply isn't feasible or cost/effective.
Flying to M./St.P. really sucks: You fly as far south as possible (Houston) then all the way back north.
(and THEN rent a car)

[Just the facts]

I don't have the means to look it up now but are you sure it isn't 'jive'?

Anyhow, to quote Kunstler, we have a rail system the Bulgarians would be ashamed of.

[RadicalModerate]

Within the context of your argument, the correct term would probably be jibe.
It is a term associated with sailing. Involving the "set of the jib" and so forth.
And sailing into the wind and how to get to where you want to be.
As expeditiously as possible without getting smacked in the head by that lower sail support deal.

Didn't look it up. Don't sail. It's a curse. Especially to get from OKC to M/St.P.
Jive, within the immediate conversational context, is a synonym for bull****e.

Was that William Kunsler who dissed the Bulgarians?
It sounds like Bill. =))

(not to be someone who has to be right . . .
and remembering that the meaning of words is only that which one attributes to them
"A dictionary is more of a history book than a rule book" S.I. Hayakawa)
The Mavens' Word of the Day

Trains are Slow But They Are Fun.
The Heartland Flyer is also Scenic.
All That . . . And Fort Worth Too!
(oh, wait . . . how long until The Texas Eagle shows up? . . .)