Able Commission: No New Bars in Bricktown??

[BDP]

Definitely good news. Hopefully it doesn't fly backward in the HofR

Yeah, they will probably amend it so that you have to get an ultrasound of your liver before you can buy a drink.

[Pete]

Anybody know how the Dollhouse was able to get around this?

[Skyline]

How can something like this pass so easily and yet other liquor laws are the most difficult to change?

[kevinpate]

Anybody know how the Dollhouse was able to get around this?

Is there a 50% of gross revenue from alcohol requirement? That 20.00 cover is beginning to make more sense if there is.

[kevinpate]

How can something like this pass so easily and yet other liquor laws are the most difficult to change?

A lot of alcohol laws are intertwined with each other and with the constitution. This basically adds language that says X can be waived by a college age school, without doing anything to impact if it is a church or secondary school or one for younger students.

It's simply easier to say one can have a mulligan on hole 2 than it is to layout an entire new golf course.

[Skyline]

A lot of alcohol laws are intertwined with each other and with the constitution. This basically adds language that says X can be waived by a college age school, without doing anything to impact if it is a church or secondary school or one for younger students.

It's simply easier to say one can have a mulligan on hole 2 than it is to layout an entire new golf course.

I understand that, but I think if the politicians want something done they make it happen.

[kswright29]

Unfortunately, getting the liquor laws changed in this state has about as much chance as Obama carrying the state.

[kevinpate]

I understand that, but I think if the politicians want something done they make it happen.

By and large, politicos are not innovative and risk taking types. They get put into place by folks who want things to be a certain way.

Those folks fund the initial entry into public office and raise the funds to keep their preferred warm body in its chair.

A lot of people spend a lot of money to keep certain things as they are, and they spend a lot of mney to change things they think need changing.

So, with a large element not wanting change, some to protect their sacred cows, some based on faith, some based on fear of uncertainty, change does not ever come real easy on the macro level. You want the alcohol laws changed? Organize some money, make that a lot of money. Target multiple seats, and get pro-change candidates elected. Then get ready for a fight the likes of which most folks haven't really contemplated.

I'm not saying mass change is good or bad for our alcohol process, but wants and wishes alone will never, ever, cause it to happen in this state.

[Jim Kyle]

I'm not saying mass change is good or bad for our alcohol process, but wants and wishes alone will never, ever, cause it to happen in this state.

+1

And if anyone is really serious about making changes, a good lesson can be found in the way J. Howard Edmondson and Joe Cannon made the state go wet in 1959. They simply enforced, almost to the letter, the existing antiquated laws. They didn't have to raid the Petroleum Club many times, or shut down the 24-hour-service bootleggers' delivery operations very long, to force the change...

[foodiefan]

+1

And if anyone is really serious about making changes, a good lesson can be found in the way J. Howard Edmondson and Joe Cannon made the state go wet in 1959. They simply enforced, almost to the letter, the existing antiquated laws. They didn't have to raid the Petroleum Club many times, or shut down the 24-hour-service bootleggers' delivery operations very long, to force the change...

unfortunately, the biggest "issue" that needs changing hasn't become "liquor by the wink". . . i.e., I don't know of grocery stores that are selling wine "under the table", so I'm not sure what it is that could be enforced.

[Just the facts]

They should have repealed the original law. But that might be a little too "small government" for some folks.

There simply is not enough root-cause analysis and solutions in the world today - just work arounds to work arounds.

[Jim Kyle]

I'm not sure what it is that could be enforced.

Prohibit all alcohol sales within 300 feet of a school or church -- and establish new schools or churches within 300 feet of every existing bar. That should stir up the populace enough to force a rapid change in the law.

[Bunty]

+1

And if anyone is really serious about making changes, a good lesson can be found in the way J. Howard Edmondson and Joe Cannon made the state go wet in 1959. They simply enforced, almost to the letter, the existing antiquated laws. They didn't have to raid the Petroleum Club many times, or shut down the 24-hour-service bootleggers' delivery operations very long, to force the change...

So raiding the frat houses at OSU and OU for marijuana might work to get marijuana decriminalized in Oklahoma.

[Jim Kyle]

Yep; especially if the seize-everything rules were applied and all of the members sent up the river. Such a move might even get faster results than we saw back in '59.

For the record, my attitude on all of the "war on drugs" theater was formed by an editorial written by the late John W. Campbell some 50 years ago. He advocated decriminalizing ALL drugs, and letting people OD as much as they wanted, thus cleansing the gene pool. He also advocated removing all licensing and regulation from such things as health care, and allowing free competition so that quacks and frauds could not be protected by law. To put it mildly, he out-Randed Ayn Rand and made Libertarians look downright conservative...

However, the most effective way to get bad law changed seems to be to enforce it to the letter, taking special care to burn "the powers that be" to the maximum extent possible.

[OklahomaNick]

From the Chamber's weekly Legislative Update:

Legislation to Address UCO/Bricktown Issues Passes House Committee

SB 1218 (Sen. Holt), which previously passed the Senate 43-0, cleared its first hurdle in the House on Wednesday when passed by the House Public Safety Committee 12-0. The legislation addresses a state law that prevents the ABLE Commission from issuing mixed beverage licenses to establishments within 300 feet of schools or churches. As a result of the UCO Academy of Contemporary Music's presence in Bricktown, the ABLE Commission is presently unable to grant mixed beverage licenses to new bars in Bricktown.

SB 1218 would allow a college or university located in a Business Improvement District, such as Bricktown, to waive that requirement if it chooses to do so. The legislation would not impact the 300-foot rule as it relates to churches or schools that are not colleges or universities (elementary, junior high, middle, high school). The bill will now move to the full House for consideration.

[kevinpate]

Good for BT, but not any help for the areas that are within the no PBR zone of the new DT grade school.

[OklahomaNick]

Senate Bill 1218 passed the House this morning 63-29. Now on to the Governor's desk who is expected to sign.

[Skyline]

Good for BT, but not any help for the areas that are within the no PBR zone of the new DT grade school.

That doesn't seem right to discriminate, with a no PBR zone, against one of American finest beers of all time. Pabst Blue Ribbon is delicious.

[Urbanized]

He shoots...HE SCORES!

[ljbab728]

Signed by the governor.

http://newsok.com/governor-signs-mea...financial-news

[Larry OKC]

Unanswered question is "Why?"...fFrom the above article:

That law prohibits the opening of any new bars or clubs on the Bricktown Canal between the Bricktown ballpark and the BNSF Railway viaduct. It also affects properties between Sheridan and Reno avenues.

Personally am disappointed in this, the school knew the neighborhood in which they were moving into (apparently the law wasn't triggered while they were renting, only when they bought the building), those laws exist for a reason and they should be enforced or dispensed with. The loopholes need to be eliminated, not added.

[jedicurt]

Unanswered question is "Why?"...fFrom the above article:

Personally am disappointed in this, the school knew the neighborhood in which they were moving into (apparently the law wasn't triggered while they were renting, only when they bought the building), those laws exist for a reason and they should be enforced or dispensed with. The loopholes need to be eliminated, not added.

and what reason is that? i've yet to find a real reason for it.

[Pete]

This newly passed law will make it easy for the new downtown elementary school to waive the alcohol restriction as well.

[BoulderSooner]

This newly passed law will make it easy for the new downtown elementary school to waive the alcohol restriction as well.

i don't believe so .. i think the law only includes colleges and university's

[Larry OKC]

and what reason is that? i've yet to find a real reason for it.

Reason for what? (Sorry if my post was confusing)