OKCPS Banned Land Run

[jn1780]

"the white people settled this land, and it was good."

The lesson I learn was that Oklahoma prairie life sucked and involved hard work.

[ZYX2]

Why don't we just teach children everything they need to know in first grade and give them back the next 11 years. I remember when I was taught the "plum pudding" model of the atom. What a freaking waste of time since it had already been proven wrong over 100 years earlier. Why didn't my 7th grade teacher just start with quantum mechanics and string theory and save me the time because apparently I had the mental capacity to fully understand and apply it.

I'm not making that argument. However, what was the benefit of being taught something that was proven incorrect? I don't think I understand the point you're trying to make.

[Just the facts]

Just think of the "land run re-enactment" as history's version of the plum pudding model. It was just a stepping stone on the path to a greater understanding.

[ZYX2]

Okay. If that's your view, then (with no disrespect) we simply don't agree.

[Urbanized]

Third graders aren't toddlers. They're eight. Has anyone here every had a conversation with an eight year old? They certainly as a rule are capable of more nuanced thinking than some here are suggesting.

[Just the facts]

Third graders aren't toddlers. They're eight. Has anyone here every had a conversation with an eight year old? They certainly as a rule are capable of more nuanced thinking than some here are suggesting.

Half of the adults on this board aren't even capable of that.

[Paseofreak]

So, if schoolyard re-enactments are not appropriate on all the grounds discussed here, what about the Centennial Land Run Monument, which appears to only glorify one side of the event? Seems we have some serious ideological inconsistency between public education and public art/tourist attractions.

[jn1780]

So, if schoolyard re-enactments are not appropriate on all the grounds discussed here, what about the Centennial Land Run Monument, which appears to only glorify one side of the event? Seems we have some serious ideological inconsistency between public education and public art/tourist attractions.

Not to mention a college football team.

[Just the facts]

So, if schoolyard re-enactments are not appropriate on all the grounds discussed here, what about the Centennial Land Run Monument, which appears to only glorify one side of the event? Seems we have some serious ideological inconsistency between public education and public art/tourist attractions.

Heck with that, why did we even celebrate the Land Run centennical at all? That is like Germany celebrating the opening of Auschwitz (if some people are to be taken seriously). Remember the Olympic Festival in 1989 - what a dark day in history that was for Oklahoma City. [/sarc]

[RadicalModerate]

Don't want to start a whole new thread on this . . . BUT . . . (speaking of Political INcorrectness)
It will be a hollow victory--or a well earned loss--for Locust Grove in the playoffs, especially with the judge's decision coming right on the heels of Capitol Hill being stripped of their 88 year old mascot.

How about instead of "Redskins" Capitol Hill adopts . . .
"Senators" . . . "Taupeskins" . . . "Moderates" or "Neanderthals" as a new mascot?

(let this post be a warning about what happens when you drop 75-cents on a copy of The Oklahoman and actually read one of the cover stories instead of just doing the Crossword, the Crytoquote and the Sudoku Puzzle)

(pps: welcome back, jtf)

[RadicalModerate]

Third graders aren't toddlers. They're eight. Has anyone here every had a conversation with an eight year old? They certainly as a rule are capable of more nuanced thinking than some here are suggesting.

What the heck is a "nuanced"?
Is it like a cookie monster? or more like a nauga?

[Just the facts]

So after all references to Native Americans are erased from the national public lexicon, what do the supporters of such removal hope will result? I can only imagine the cerebral mêlée which would occur in an “offended individual’s” head if a white supremacists group was advocating for the removal of all ethnic names from schools, cities, states, and teams.

[RadicalModerate]

If I were one of The People I would be offended by the term "Native 'American'".
"America" is based on the name of some Italian explorer or sailor or geographer or whatever.
In fact, the concept of "Native" is applied from a perspective outside of that to whom the label is applied.

But I'm not one of The People. So I'm going to get offended about the use of the word "Viking".
The connotations are not particularly positive. Especially when applied to a group of men attempting to move a "pigskin" up and down an artificial meadow while simultaneously attempting to prevent another group of men from so doing.

(maybe Capitol Hill can adopt the term "Laters" (instead of Sooners?))

[Edgar]

Historically the Vikings have been so cute and cuddly how could anyone be offended. Can't help wanting to hug a Viking when you meet one.

[Just the facts]

If I were one of The People I would be offended by the term "Native 'American'".
"America" is based on the name of some Italian explorer or sailor or geographer or whatever.
In fact, the concept of "Native" is applied from a perspective outside of that to whom the label is applied.

This^. On NewsOK I apologize every time I use the phrase knowing it is offensive (and on Oklahoma licenses plates no less). I can't think of what to call "Those People" that doesn't define them in the negative (meaning being defined by what they are not). You can't even use the word "indigenous" because that implies they were here before the white man and would thus be defining them in relation to the arrival of Europeans.

I guess I have to ask, how do "Those People" collectively refer to themselves in an non-European centric way?

[RadicalModerate]

Historically the Vikings have been so cute and cuddly how could anyone be offended. Can't help wanting to hug a Viking when you meet one.

Tell that to one of them Monks on the east coast of Ireland . . .
("Fighting Irish" . . . that pisses me off and brings out the irish in me all at the same time. it is nearly impossible to spell all that--in Celtic ("Kelltic" a.k.a. "Selltic") so my self-esteem has been unrepair-ably damaged. I guess.)

(How about The Capitol Hill Monks?)
(Maybe The Capitol Hill Chargers?--even at the risk of Citibank suing?)

[RadicalModerate]

This^. On NewsOK I apologize every time I use the phrase knowing it is offensive (and on Oklahoma licenses plates no less). I can't think of what to call "Those People" that doesn't define them in the negative (meaning being defined by what they are not). You can't even use the word "indigenous" because that implies they were here before the white man and would thus be defining them in relation to the arrival of Europeans.

I guess I have to ask, how do "Those People" collectively refer to themselves in an non-European centric way?

I dunno . . . I guess you'd have to ask Rush Limbaugh, Bill Cosby, Al 'n Jessie, Uncle Remus, Walt Disnety or Famous Amos. That or consult a Ouija Board . . . Although I must warn you, in advance, that "Oui-Ja" has notoriously European roots. =)

[RadicalModerate]

. . . I can only imagine the cerebral mêlée in an “offended individual’s” . . .

Can you imagine what a "wonderful, wonderful world it would be" if Native Earthians had mastered Alt Key Codes? I can. =) Why . . . There wouldn't have to be any Land Rushes or Black Fridays at all . . . Instead there would be Property Strolls and Rainbow Fridays.

And when the sirens go off . . .
We could all be dinner for the Morlocks . . . (/sarc)

(apology: newzK49 is running in the background)

(OK . . . I'll admit it: I'm not a little suspicious, wary and weary of a Skool Superindentant that can't spell New rite.)

(sunuvabeach): Sony Pictures got hacked and now nuances are running amok! =)

[Just the facts]

I've never strolled before. I sashayed once, but that was in front of the draft board.

[RadicalModerate]

I've never strolled before. I sashayed once, but that was in front of the draft board.

The Great Land Sashay of 1889 . . . sounds like something from a Mel Brooks movie.
(not that there's anything "wrong" with that . . .)

[Jim Kyle]

I guess I have to ask, how do "Those People" collectively refer to themselves in an non-European centric way?

The Cherokee, at least, refer to themselves as "tsa-la-gi" (which transliterates to, surprise surprise, Cherokee) and that translates to "The People." One of the southwestern nations, though I disremember whether it's the Navajo or the Hopi, do the same sort of thing. For that matter, "volk" and "folk" have the same translation.

It seems to be a universal aberration...

[Jeepnokc]

I've never strolled before. I sashayed once, but that was in front of the draft board.

Not even that one time at band camp?

[mkjeeves]

I always thought the focus, particularly full classes specific to the local state history, a bit odd and shortsighted in our mobile society. But I moved around a lot growing up.