Black Range Rover Runs Over Bikers to Save Family

[ctchandler]

Plutonic Panda,
I don't understand what you are asking. Please clarify.
Thanks,
C. T.

How do you do that? I looked on the Edmond Police website and couldn't find anything. :/

Maybe it is through something else, I don't know.

[Urbanized]

PluPan, I just took the MSF "advanced" course (actually called the Experienced RiderCourse) at OSU-OKC a couple of weeks ago. I found in doing so that it is really pretty much the same as the basic course, but without bothering with the elements like how to turn the bike on, how to shift, etc. In other words, it assumes that you know those things but not much else. In fact, they are changing the name to Basic RiderCourse-2. What it is really designed to be is a basic course for scofflaws who have ridden for some time without formal training or endorsement. You do take it on your own motorcycle.

That said, I was still very glad that I took it, because of several things. First, the Basic RiderCourse I originally took was nearly a decade ago, and I found that I really needed refreshers in areas where I thought I was all good. Second, the place where I took my first MSF course just plain wasn't as good as OSU-OKC, and there were elements that just weren't covered properly, in retrospect. I had unknowingly developed bad habits based on that training (or lack thereof) that I needed to un-learn. So I was really glad I took it.

But if you take the first MSF Basic RiderCourse on the instruction bikes at OSU, you won't need the other once you get your personal bike, provided you do so within a reasonable time after your endorsement.

What you would want to come back and take on your bike would be a course called Ready To Ride, which is a FREE course that you take on your own bike. This is the course that lets you get out on their larger road course and which spends more time concentrating on avoidance and cornering techniques, etc, at speed. Unfortunately it is only available when grant money is available, and it is currently un-funded. Hopefully they will be funded again soon, as I want to take that one too.

Another alternative is private lessons by the hour given by the same instructors on the same course, at $45/hr with (IIRC) a two hour minimum. I'm thinking I want to do that, as I felt like a got a lot from these instructors and believe I could really benefit from additional one-on-one instruction.

[Plutonic Panda]

It's easy to say after the fact what somebody should have done. I can't say for sure what I would have done because I've never been in that situation. I would like to think I would do whatever I could but in reality not sure I would get out and confront an angry mob by myself. As for the person calling me a puss*** I've found over the years the one calling others puss*** and what they would have done are usually the first to run away.

I don't exactly what I would do either, but I know I would help somehow. I hope you would do the same. You're not alone if you were beside the guy in the Range Rover and if more people had this mentality, we as citizens would be better of standing up against these thugs and things like this wouldn't of happened.

For the record, anybody who sits and does nothing is a pussie(s) in my book. I hope we don't have anyone like that on this site. I like to think everyone would try and help out each other. To be clear, I'm not saying jump out into the path of a bullet here.

[Plutonic Panda]

Plutonic Panda,
I don't understand what you are asking. Please clarify.
Thanks,
C. T.

Sorry. . . . How do I enroll for the class? Do I call the non-emergency number and ask where I can take classes at or is there a specific website I can visit? I would like to take a class there, just not sure how.

A search on Google brings me citizens police academy training in Waco for some reason,

[ljbab728]

It's just another perfect example of someone is distress and not one damn person comes to their aid not even a cop he's too worried about his job then doing the right thing. Its a sad world for sure we are raisng a bunch of PUSSIES that won't stand up against wrong

Actually, that's not correct.

Hero that stepped in to stop biker beating breaks his silence | PIX 11

[Plutonic Panda]

PluPan, I just took the MSF "advanced" course (actually called the Experienced RiderCourse) at OSU-OKC a couple of weeks ago. I found in doing so that it is really pretty much the same as the basic course, but without bothering with the elements like how to turn the bike on, how to shift, etc. In other words, it assumes that you know those things but not much else. In fact, they are changing the name to Basic RiderCourse-2. What it is really designed to be is a basic course for scofflaws who have ridden for some time without formal training or endorsement. You do take it on your own motorcycle.

That said, I was still very glad that I took it, because of several things. First, the Basic RiderCourse I originally took was nearly a decade ago, and I found that I really needed refreshers in areas where I thought I was all good. Second, the place where I took my first MSF course just plain wasn't as good as OSU-OKC, and there were elements that just weren't covered properly, in retrospect. I had unknowingly developed bad habits based on that training (or lack thereof) that I needed to un-learn. So I was really glad I took it.

But if you take the first MSF Basic RiderCourse on the instruction bikes at OSU, you won't need the other once you get your personal bike, provided you do so within a reasonable time after your endorsement.

What you would want to come back and take on your bike would be a course called Ready To Ride, which is a FREE course that you take on your own bike. This is the course that lets you get out on their larger road course and which spends more time concentrating on avoidance and cornering techniques, etc, at speed. Unfortunately it is only available when grant money is available, and it is currently un-funded. Hopefully they will be funded again soon, as I want to take that one too.

Another alternative is private lessons by the hour given by the same instructors on the same course, at $45/hr with (IIRC) a two hour minimum. I'm thinking I want to do that, as I felt like a got a lot from these instructors and believe I could really benefit from additional one-on-one instruction.

Awesome!!! I'm assuming they explain how to do that in the basic training course?

[Snowman]

It is lucky to ever have the right person be in the right place when something random happens. Earlier some people were talking about the undercover cop not acting, from the size of the group he might have not seen any of it or only made if after the situation was over. Also someone said the police reaction to the call was slow, this all escalated from the initial actions to conclusion in a few minutes, a ten minute response time is probably the best you can reasonably expect if they know where they need to go when the call comes in (it often will be longer), a call to meet up with a vehicle traveling highway speeds while the caller is distressed and possibly crossing precinct boundaries is going to add a lot of complexity to getting to them. Also for the first several minutes you do not see many any cars going the same direction. Chance is the people stopped ahead of them in the city streets would have only turned around if either heard them breaking the car windows or caught a visual in rear/side mirrors.

[bluedogok]

The Basic Rider Course is a good foundation even if you know how to ride, I know in Texas and Colorado that it satisfies the test ride portion of the motorcycle endorsement on your license and I believe it does in Oklahoma. Otherwise to get your endorsement you have to do a riding test with an officer. Not sure if it works the same way as when I got my MC license when I was 14 years old. The Advanced Rider Course is for strengthening your skills after some riding time. I don't think it satisfies the riding test requirement for the M endorsement.

[Plutonic Panda]

It is lucky to ever have the right person be in the right place when something random happens. Earlier some people were talking about the undercover cop not acting, from the size of the group he might have not seen any of it or only made if after the situation was over. Also someone said the police reaction to the call was slow, this all escalated from the initial actions to conclusion in a few minutes, a ten minute response time is good response time for if they know where then need to go when the call comes in, a call to meet up with a vehicle traveling highway speeds while the caller is distressed and possibly crossing precinct boundaries is going to add a lot of complexity to getting to them. Also for the first several minutes you do not see hardly any cars going the same direction. Chance is the people stopped in traffic in the city streets would have only turned around if either heard them breaking the car windows or caught a visual in rear/side mirrors.

Were they near Manhattan? In nearly every single picture or video feed I've seen there, there is about 2-3 police officers. They are in the middle of a huge city. There has to be cops nearby somewhere.

[RadicalModerate]

I would hope that one of the topics covered in the motorcycle rider courses mentioned, above, would be in the area of advising motorcycle riders not to get involved with directly and physically confronting someone driving an SUV even if said novice rider is in a gaggle of rice-burners that together sound like a swarm of angry, annoying hornets with a collective IQ of less than 1. Not even if said rider is an undercover police officer.

While The Laws of (Human) Nature may permit--and perhaps even encourage--this sort of mob stupidity, The Laws of Physics (involving mass and momentum) in addition to The Laws of Traffic Safety indicate that this is almost certainly a Lose/Lose proposition.

(i know, i know . . . you should never end a sentence in a proposition . . .)

[Plutonic Panda]

I would hope that one of the topics covered in the motorcycle rider courses mentioned, above, would be in the area of advising motorcycle riders not to get involved with directly and physically confronting someone driving an SUV even if said novice rider is in a gaggle of rice-burners that together sound like a swarm of angry hornets. Not even if he is an undercover police officer.

While The Laws of (Human) Nature may permit--and perhaps even encourage--this sort of mob stupidity, The Laws of Physics (involving mass and momentum) in addition to The Laws of Traffic Safety indicate that this is almost certainly a Lose/Lose proposition.

(i know, i know . . . you should never end a sentence in a proposition . . .)

[RadicalModerate]

Foshizzle.

O! For The Halcyon Daze of Yesteryear . . .

(please note the advancements in helmet technology that allowed them to look like hats)

Yet (on the other hand) only a scant couple of years later it had devolved into this . . .


So I guess I mean the first Halcyon Daze rather than the other ones . . .

Motorcycles: The Devil's Bicycles.

(not to mention today's Halcyon that turns Soccer Moms in SUVs into The Driving Brain Dead)

[Snowman]

Were they near Manhattan? In nearly every single picture or video feed I've seen there, there is about 2-3 police officers. They are in the middle of a huge city. There has to be cops nearby somewhere.

They were on then north end of manhattan island, about ten miles outside of downtown

[bluedogok]

I have always ridden (and driven) under the theory that size has the ultimate right of way. I know that many riders (motorcycle or bicycle) and pedestrians feel like testing that theory at times. I was riding yesterday on I-25 just south of downtown and had a Tacoma just merge right on into my lane when the traffic backup happened near the Santa Fe interchange construction. I had only been around him for probably 5-6 miles. I just assume that I am invisible to other drivers who are too busy doing everything but driving.

I also have felt that everyone should have to ride a motorcycle for a few years before driving a car, it can help make you hyper aware of what is going on around you....of course that wouldn't fly in our bubble wrapped world.

[Plutonic Panda]

They were about ten miles from lower manhattan

Ah, well I don't know what to say. Things could've gone differently and that goes the same for saying this could've been much worse. At least the driver is alive.

[Urbanized]

When I took the Basic RiderCourse years ago, successful completion allowed you to skip the riding portion of the Oklahoma endorsement exam, but I still had to take the written (actually an on-screen computerized multiple choice) test. When I took the Experienced RiderCourse, they told the people who were there for endorsement purposes that the OSU course allowed them to skip BOTH, and that they would only need to show their certification card and ID at the DPS exam station.

Again, as I mentioned in my previous post, the Experienced RiderCourse is unfortunately named; it's not truly an "advanced" course. It is in fact being renamed "Basic RiderCourse-2". It is used by many longtime but non-endorsed riders to get their endorsement.

The thing that qualifies as an advanced course is Ready To Ride, which is a free (but currently un scheduled/unavailable) course at OSU due to funding. They expect to have news on the next round of funding soon, but since it is federally-supported the government shutdown is surely affecting this.

PluPan, you can arrange the private instruction through the OSU-OKC CSEP. I would recommend you take a regularly-scheduled Basic RiderCourse before doing anything, including buying a bike.

[RadicalModerate]

I have always ridden (and driven) under the theory that size has the ultimate right of way. I know that many riders (motorcycle or bicycle) and pedestrians feel like testing that theory at times. I was riding yesterday on I-25 just south of downtown and had a Tacoma just merge right on into my lane when the traffic backup happened near the Santa Fe interchange construction. I had only been around him for probably 5-6 miles. I just assume that I am invisible to other drivers who are too busy doing everything but driving.

I also have felt that everyone should have to ride a motorcycle for a few years before driving a car, it can help make you hyper aware of what is going on around you....of course that wouldn't fly in our bubble wrapped world.

I have felt that all fledgling architects should have to spend a couple of summers setting forms and framing houses . . . =)
So they can make those payments on their motorcycles later.
With some experience and a clear conscience.

[BBatesokc]

Kelroy is a perfect example of the PUSSIES that have been raised. You would probably sit in the corner and suck your thumb while watching a woman getting raped.

Says the anonymous individual (you Garin) most likely reliving the event in their own head and casting themselves as 'the hero' while in reality they're just a couch crusader pointing their finger at others.

Your initial post was naive and your response to Kelroy was WAY out of line.

And I say this as someone who isn't afraid to confront dangerous situations - like disarming a violent pimp with a knife and his bottom bitc* attacking another woman in the street.

That said, we have no idea what played a part in the undercover officer's decision to maintain his cover. The fact he works undercover is proof enough he's probably got more 'balls' than any of us.

Being undercover he wouldn't have had a badge on him and most likely was unarmed. Exactly what was he going to do beyond blowing his cover? We don't even know how close he was to the assault. Most importantly we have no idea why he was undercover and if maintaining that cover was crucial to a much larger investigation.

The fact we know there was an undercover officer (or even several) tells us law enforcement is looking into this and most likely weighing and asking the questions similar to the ones I posted above. Which brings up another question..... why was this fact released to the media/public?

The only perspective I can honestly say I know how I would have reacted is the driver of the SUV's - I would have done exactly what he did. Beyond that, had I been another motorist on the highway or even riding a bike with that group of thugs - I have zero idea what I would or even could have done at that moment.

Not being an anonymous 'P U s S Y' I'm a pretty easy target to lash back at, so go for it....... (its pretty predictable)

[Dubya61]

CT...the motorcycle course saved my neck numerous times.

I even think non motor cycle riders should take it to learn a little empathy.

WT: Concur. Too many car and truck drivers seem to be completely oblivious to the differences of a motorcycle (or even the rights of a human-powered bike, I think).

[Prunepicker]

DA: Motorcyclist had key role in NYC SUV brawl - CBS News

There were off duty police riding with the bikers.

[kelroy55]

DA: Motorcyclist had key role in NYC SUV brawl - CBS News

There were off duty police riding with the bikers.

"Police also are looking into whether any off-duty officers were there." is far from there were off duty officers there. They don't know yet.

[Martin]

New York road-rage incident: Three NYPD cops took part in motorcycle ride - CBS News -M

[kelroy55]

New York road-rage incident: Three NYPD cops took part in motorcycle ride - CBS News -M

Thanks mmm, that gives more info. I'm still not sure if the off duty officers were up where the assault was taking place or back with the injured biker.

[ctchandler]

Plutonic Panda,
Looks like the answers have been posted. It was quite a few years ago for me, so I don't have the answer.
C. T.

Sorry. . . . How do I enroll for the class? Do I call the non-emergency number and ask where I can take classes at or is there a specific website I can visit? I would like to take a class there, just not sure how.

A search on Google brings me citizens police academy training in Waco for some reason,

[kelroy55]

Sorry. . . . How do I enroll for the class? Do I call the non-emergency number and ask where I can take classes at or is there a specific website I can visit? I would like to take a class there, just not sure how.

A search on Google brings me citizens police academy training in Waco for some reason,

What kind of class are you looking for?