TCU Invited to Big 12 - Expected to Accept

[betts]

But SDSU devalues an already marginal conference. Again, we think things are great because OU is winning so much and now OSU is making some national noise. When OU, or even Texas, has its next big run of losses, which we know can last 10+ years and involve multiple coaching changes, then we're a mediocre university in a small state. Watch the Big Twelve's reputation plummet like a stone. We need teams that can fill the power vacuum nationally when that happens, and it's not going to be SDSU or most of the other schools proposed. It's probably not going to be OSU either, as much as people would like that to happen. We'll fall back to below the ACC reputation-wise, because at least their small schools are the academic and basketball powerhouses of Duke and Wake Forest.

[Just the facts]

The problem Betts is that there not enough 'quality' schools to go around. Even the mighty SEC only has Alabama with any sense of history outside the conference. LSU, Georgia, and Florida have marginal histories at best. I know Florida Gator fans who really think college football started about 20 years ago - and that is not a joke.

Oklahoma is the only team in the entire college football nation that has three 100 win coaches - that's it - they are the only one. Not USC, not Alabama, not Texas, not Ohio St, not Michigan, not anyone. I think you are looking for something that doesn't exist.

[Roadhawg]

Long ways to go for all sporting events if San Diego St was added. But then not too many decent schools close by.

[Just the facts]

Long ways to go for all sporting events if San Diego St was added. But then not too many decent schools close by.

But it would only be one team out West unlike a conference like the PAC 16 where teams would have to go the West Coast every other week.

[lasomeday]

I'm still hoping UNLV will be added!

[lasomeday]

Is Memphis being considered? It is probably closer than any other team geographically besides Arkansas.

[betts]

The problem Betts is that there not enough 'quality' schools to go around. Even the mighty SEC only has Alabama with any sense of history outside the conference. LSU, Georgia, and Florida have marginal histories at best. I know Florida Gator fans who really think college football started about 20 years ago - and that is not a joke.

Oklahoma is the only team in the entire college football nation that has three 100 win coaches - that's it - they are the only one. Not USC, not Alabama, not Texas, not Ohio St, not Michigan, not anyone. I think you are looking for something that doesn't exist.

I agree there aren't enough quality schools to go around. But, every other conference has primarily large state universities. The only other conference that has more small private schools is the Big East, not exactly a bastion of football dominance. I agree that Oklahoma....right now.....carries a lot of weight and can carry a conference with one other big powerhouse. My argument is that people, especially sports announcers, only care about the now, not the past. That's why Florida is considered a powerhouse. No one cares if they were an afterthought 20 years ago. Only people who revere football tradition care about what happened 20+ years ago, and they're a minority. If Oklahoma and/or Texas slip for a decade, we will definitely drop below the ACC. I think that would be a shame. Personally, I think it's better to go to the SEC and have to play your tail off. That way, if you get to the NC game, you've got a reasonable chance of winning. And, even if you're not winning the conference championship every year, you've got the status of your conference to help with recruiting. I'm sure they don't want to go to any conference without Texas because OU is worried about having trouble recruiting in Texas. I understand that. But, if we're staying in the Big Twelve, we have to look for quality over quantity. No one who's left a conference because of Texas is coming back, and by that I mean Arkansas. The Big Twelve has to get control of Texas so we don't drive anyone else away.

The Big Whatever is better off with ten fairly decent schools than looking like they had to scramble to get to 12, taking schools no other conference besides the Big Least wanted. In my opinion.

[Just the facts]

The Big Whatever is better off with ten fairly decent schools than looking like they had to scramble to get to 12, taking schools no other conference besides the Big Least wanted. In my opinion.

I think that is why there two different plans based on what MIssouri does. If Missouri stays the Big XII stays at 10 teams. If they leave, the Big XII picks 3 new teams and goes back to 12. I guess it is kind of like a scorched Earth policy.

[venture]

http://brett-mcmurphy.blogs.cbssport...32522/32662271

Big 12 will be at 10 teams for 2012

Neinas also said no matter what decision Missouri makes, the Big 12 would be a 10-team league in 2012 - with Missouri and new member TCU"

If Missouri is going to change horses (conferences), it won't be for 2012 anyway," Neinas said.

Whether the Big 12 eventually grows to 12 teams, there has been no decision made, Neinas said.

“There is no consensus from conference members on going to 10 or 12 members,” Neinas said.

Don't really agree with this. It sets us up to be raided again and having to go through this BS in a year or two. The conference needs stability and that means getting back to at least 12 if not getting to 14 along with the SEC.

[Just the facts]

I wonder if Kentucky might jump ship to join a 16 team ACC, which will then return SEC to 12 teams. The ACC still needs 2 teams to get to 16 and could pick from Kentucky, Lousiville, and West Virginia. Maybe the could withdraw their offer to Syracuse and get all 3.

[kevinpate]

How would the raids work? If the schools are signing away their tv money for six years, plus have exit penalties on top of that, how would any school other than OU or TX be considered a big enough draw to be worth the expense of the raid? Not a knock on the other institutions, but they lack the outside the immediate region draw power, at least in the football is king of the dollar world

[venture]

Expansion News for Today...

- BYU has determined they want to stay independent and have turned down the Big 12
- Big East is preparing an invite for Central Florida (CUSA)
- Big East still considering Air Force, Navy, Temple, Houston, SMU, and Boise State...AF, BSU, and Navy Football Only, UCF, Temple, Houston SMU all sports. Will consider splitting divisions into Football and Basketball.
- Army has turned down the Big East and wishes to remain independent.

[Thunder]

Everything that Venture keep posting doesn't look good for Big 12. Is it true that without a conference title game, it greatly affects the BCS ranking? I don't think OU will ever have a chance until we reach 12+ teams, so I'm not going to hold out hope for OU. Its obviously impossible for OU with evidence presenting on keeping SEC teams in top two. The voters (why the hell are votes determined?) seem quite content on keeping OU out of the top two, but at the same time quite content on keeping OU in 3rd or 4th depending on the team's games. Its like the voters are aware how great OU has been doing, so they are doing everything they can to keep OU at 3rd or 4th. BCS system need a serious overhaul and eliminate the frickin' voting crap. What about playoffs? Ain't gonna happen. We're sh1t out of luck.

[betts]

Thunder, the top two teams in the SEC have to play each other. So one of them will not be ranked one or two when that game is over. If OU doesn't lose, they will play in the National Championship game. That doesn't mean that in a few years OU won't be negatively affected by being in the Big 12, but this year it won't matter.

[Just the facts]

Ok Thunder, let's say we go with an 8 team playoff. How do you determine who the 8 teams are?

[Thunder]

Thunder, the top two teams in the SEC have to play each other. So one of them will not be ranked one or two when that game is over. If OU doesn't lose, they will play in the National Championship game. That doesn't mean that in a few years OU won't be negatively affected by being in the Big 12, but this year it won't matter.

Trust me, they will manage to keep both teams up there, even when one loses to the other. Or they will painfully drop one team down and skyrocket another SEC team. Trust me, they want the finale in a SEC location....more....money....for....them. I'm betting on this.

[betts]

The finale is preset. It's in New Orleans this year. It rotates between all the BCS bowls.

[Thunder]

The finale is preset. It's in New Orleans this year. It rotates between all the BCS bowls.

HAHA!!! So they want SEC teams right at home for the finale. LSU... Remember last time? :-/

[betts]

Let's wait and see if Alabama beats LSU. The Big Ten might argue, if Wisconsin goes undefeated, that the Big Ten is being discriminated against. Same thing for Stanford in the Pac-12. Maybe the Big Twelve is being unfairly favored. No conspiracy theory for me. I've watched Alabama and LSU play and they're worthy of their ranking. OU is too and in the coaches poll OU is number one. The AP poll isn't even used to determine BCS ranking. Sorry, I don't agree that anything is rigged. ESPN might wish they had that kind of power, but all they can do is lobby with their coverage.

[venture]

Thunder go back and look at the Week 6 poll thread and the BCS numbers I put in there today.

There are two human components...USA Today/Coaches Poll and the Harris Poll. In the Coaches Poll we are #1 and in the Harris Poll we are #3. Why the AP keeps getting brought into this about them being unfair and that it doesn't matter. The Harris Poll does matter and almost mirrors the AP. HOWEVER, the biggest thing that was working against OU last week was the COMPUTER components. This week they gave OU a nice bump after the Texas win and on average rank OU #2.

OU controls its destiny for the most part. There is a very slight outside chance that Alabama and LSU could still face each other in the national championship. Say LSU loses to Alabama and Bama goes on to the SEC Championship Game. If LSU wins out from there they could get enough of a bump in the computer polls to push them to #2. Same situation for Bama. This has happened before...guess who it favored? OU. They lost the Big 12 title to Kansas State and still made it to the BCS game in New Orleans to lose to LSU. That is the year USC got the AP National title and LSU got the BCS national title.

Also don't be silly when saying they want a home team in the BCS title game. Sure it'll be nice, but getting an OU, Stanford, or Wisconsin in the game would bring in more OUTSIDE dollars for the economy. If it was a lower bowl game then yes, you would want a local team since you could fill the stadium easier. However don't think there is some grand conspiracy.

[Thunder]

Thank you, Venture.

I also remembered that two teams can not be from the same conference for the championship game. So it works out that LSU and Alabama play each other. One will lose. Then up goes OU.

[venture]

Thank you, Venture.

I also remembered that two teams can not be from the same conference for the championship game. So it works out that LSU and Alabama play each other. One will lose. Then up goes OU.

Incorrect. #1 and #2 will always meet for the title game...regardless of their conference affiliation.

[venture]

double post

[Thunder]

I was told in the past that teams from same conference can't play each other for the title game. Was this changed? C'mon, I was told of this and knew of it for years. Or was it for something else?

[ljbab728]

I was told in the past that teams from same conference can't play each other for the title game. Was this changed? C'mon, I was told of this and knew of it for years. Or was it for something else?

If you were told that, you were told wrong. It has never been that way.