Oklahoma Factory Shoppes - I40 & Council

[Soonerman]

I wouldn't mind seeing an Old Navy Outlet at the outlet mall.

[Plutonic Panda]

Old Navy used to be good, they have gone downhill with their quality of clothes though. Never been to one of their factory stores, so maybe they're different.

[bhawes]

They need to add a Movado watch store to the outlet mall.

[warreng88]

My wife is a huge fan of Kate Spade, Tory Burch and Lululemon and those outlets are few and far betweem. It would be cool if we could get the first two (I know Lululemon is moving into Classen Curve) in Penn Square Mall and then an outlet as well.

[soonerfan_in_okc]

Old Navy used to be good, they have gone downhill with their quality of clothes though. Never been to one of their factory stores, so maybe they're different.

I don't think there would much difference between one of their outlet stores and regular stores.

[bchris02]

Old Navy used to be good, they have gone downhill with their quality of clothes though. Never been to one of their factory stores, so maybe they're different.

Yeah I remember when Old Navy was one of the most popular brands in the early 2000s. It was what you wore if you didn't wear Abercrombie or American Eagle. I haven't worn anything from there in years though.

[Soonerman]

Yeah I remember when Old Navy was one of the most popular brands in the early 2000s. It was what you wore if you didn't wear Abercrombie or American Eagle. I haven't worn anything from there in years though.

It's mainly what I wore in High School

[warreng88]

Competition might be coming our way:

Developers looking at east Tulsa site for outlet mall | Tulsa World

[bchris02]

Does our outlet mall draw a lot of shoppers from the Tulsa area?

[warreng88]

Does our outlet mall draw a lot of shoppers from the Tulsa area?

I would think it would since it is the closest one. Allen has one and so does Branson, but those are further away.

[BG918]

The article states that they expect to draw from the Tulsa area as well as northwest Arkansas, hence the location on the east side by I-44/412.

[onthestrip]

Know a guy behind one of the food places at the mall, said that on the weekend his receipts showed tons of people from tulsa zip codes as well as other distant areas of the state. As well as out of state too.

[circuitboard]

The article says "High End". Just curious but when the announcement for OKC was made, did it mention "high end"?

[Dustin]

I think Saks Fifth Avenue Off Fifth is about as high end as an outlet mall is going to get. A high end outdoor mall would sound right.

[SoonerQueen]

I think Saks Fifth Avenue Off Fifth is about as high end as an outlet mall is going to get. A high end outdoor mall would sound right.

Not sure if there is one, but I would like to request a New Balance shoe outlet store. They are the only athletic shoes I can wear.

[Dustin]

Not sure if there is one, but I would like to request a New Balance shoe outlet store. They are the only athletic shoes I can wear.

There is a famous footwear in the outlet mall and I'm pretty sure they carry New Balance.

[ljbab728]

Obviously a mall there could have some affect on ours but, since it's the same owner, I doubt they are planning to do anything to cannibalize the business at a location they already operate.

[sgt. pepper]

The article says "High End". Just curious but when the announcement for OKC was made, did it mention "high end"?

Tulsa is a big copy cat. They wait until OKC gets something...anything, and Tulsa tries to make theirs bigger and better. You just wait, BOK is going to announce a 100 floor tower or something. And Tulsa general succeeds, this new outlet mall will have stores only OKC will dream about.

[bchris02]

Tulsa is a big copy cat. They wait until OKC gets something...anything, and Tulsa tries to make theirs bigger and better. You just wait, BOK is going to announce a 100 floor tower or something. And Tulsa general succeeds, this new outlet mall will have stores only OKC will dream about.

Agreed. I was just thinking about this and how Tulsa basically learned from OKC's design disaster in Lower Bricktown when developing their own urban districts. Now Tulsa's hip urban districts have become the envy and comparison point for OKC urbanists in our own revitalization of Midtown and Uptown. Meanwhile Tulsa residents continue to look down on "uncultured, cowtown" OKC as they always have.

Let me clarify I am not calling OKC an uncultured cowtown, but Tulsa residents generally say that.

[CuatrodeMayo]

I was just thinking about this and how Tulsa basically learned from OKC's design disaster in Lower Bricktown when developing their own urban districts. Now Tulsa's hip urban districts have become the envy and comparison point for OKC urbanists in our own revitalization of Midtown and Uptown.

Say what?

[bchris02]

Say what?

A lot of comparisons are made to Tulsa's urban districts when explaining what is wrong with Lower Bricktown and where our own urban districts i.e. Midtown, Uptown, Plaza, Western, etc are headed. Tulsa has a head start on what OKC is doing in areas surrounding the CBD. OKC had Bricktown though when Tulsa's core was still dead.

[HangryHippo]

A lot of comparisons are made to Tulsa's urban districts when explaining what is wrong with Lower Bricktown and where our own urban districts i.e. Midtown, Uptown, Plaza, Western, etc are headed. Tulsa has a head start on what OKC is doing in areas surrounding the CBD. OKC had Bricktown though when Tulsa's core was still dead.

I'm not sure I agree with you on most of those areas. I don't fear where Midtown, Uptown, Plaza or Western are headed as I think they're actually improving all the time (maybe not Western any longer). But Lower Bricktown is the case that makes me point to Tulsa (or any of OKC's other areas) and say "Why not that?" Do you really go to the Plaza and wish for something from Tulsa?

[bchris02]

I'm not sure I agree with you on most of those areas. I don't fear where Midtown, Uptown, Plaza or Western are headed as I think they're actually improving all the time (maybe not Western any longer). But Lower Bricktown is the case that makes me point to Tulsa (or any of OKC's other areas) and say "Why not that?" Do you really go to the Plaza and wish for something from Tulsa?

I don't fear where those neighborhoods are headed either. They are in fact heading in the right direction, and that direction is that of Tulsa's Brady and Blue Dome districts. Just look at what is happening in Midtown. Look at Uptown. There are references to Cain's when discussing what the Tower Theater could be. OKC is trying to develop hip, vibrant districts geared towards young professionals like Tulsa did. That could have been Bricktown but it went a different direction. I honestly think we wouldn't be seeing so much development in places like Midtown, Uptown, etc had Lower Bricktown not have been such a design failure. They would still be developed no doubt, but they wouldn't become entertainment districts in their own right like Midtown is set to become with the arrival of Fassler Hall/Dust Bowl (Tulsa concepts). The Flashback Retropub is going to be modeled after a very cool Tulsa bar the Max, probably in my opinion the one bar in Tulsa cool enough to make the trip from OKC.

I don't want to discount Bricktown though. OKC's dance club and ultra lounge scene is stellar for a city this size in this part of the country, and probably blows away anything in Tulsa.

[adaniel]

Bchris02, I hope you don't think I am attacking you here, but you make a lot of really inaccurate posts that reveal just what a short time you have lived here. I don't think you are doing so maliciously, but you seem to really push that we have some sort of complex against Tulsa, which couldn't be further from the truth. True, some here compare OKC to Tulsa, in the same way we compare ourselves to DFW, Austin, Denver, KC, etc. because they are regional neighbors.

Midtown is developing because St Anthony's and the city made a commitment to the area back in the mid 2000's, with uptown developing sort of by osmosis of activity in Midtown and the Paseo. It has very little to do with Lower Bricktown and any perceived design failures. You should research the couple behind A Good Egg Group or the ladies behind Big Truck Tacos who decided to take a HUGE risk and open up restaurants on 23rd when it was a dump. I doubt either of them cared what's going on in Tulsa or in Lower Bricktown. They saw an opportunity and have been rewarded handsomely.

As far as the outlet mall, I reread that article and I don't get the sense this is anywhere close to being a done deal. It sounds like they are just doing basic market analysis on whether this is feasible, and the city and the Tulsa World caught wind of it. Building 2 malls so close to each other by the same company could invoke some sort of non-compete clause in their leases as far as opening up competition within a certain mileage. In addition to the outlet in OKC, there are 2 very large outlet malls in Branson...something to consider when doing market studies.

[warreng88]

I was just at the outlet mall and saw dirt turning just east of the Braums on the SE corner of Reno and Council. Any one know what is going in here?