Covid-19 in OKC (coronavirus)

[jn1780]

My family has done Shipt twice now. Its like trying to buy concert tickets, you have check first thing in the morning to try find a slot for the next available day. Walmart pickup is the same way.

If this happened 2 or 3 years into the future, I think grocery delivery would have been more widespread and developed.

[chuck5815]

Really glad to hear something is being done at Walmart. I went 5 days ago (I never go in general, but needed something I can only find there) and it was horrible. Crowded aisles, people (including my check out guy) coughing, little to no attempts at social distancing, etc. I got out of there as fast as I could. Obviously supermarkets are essential, but I saw little difference in terms of spread potential between that and many other events that have been canceled...

eh, i dunno. there is a big difference in the risk profile between sitting next to 20 other people (all of whom are singing) for 3 hours during a Cher concert and spending half an hour at the grocery store trying to find your favorite Kombucha.

i've also noticed the better stores (Target, Whole Foods, etc.) are not nearly as busy as the Walmarts of the world. Probably because the average person who goes to Whole Foods is ordering almost everything online rn.

[TheTravellers]

But they aren't really that restrictive (there are a ton of exceptions) and no one is enforcing them (I'm not sure how legally enforceable they actually are anyway) so while saying "Everyone stay home!" sounds great, I'm not sure how much difference using either designations makes. https://www.okc.gov/Home/Components/News/News/3343/18

"Safer-At-Home" only applies to Oklahomans over age 65 and those with and those with underlying medical conditions, thought I had put that in there, but guess not. So yes, there *is* a difference between "Stay-At-Home" and "Safer-At-Home", and just the optics of a governor saying "Everybody stay home!" instead of "Eh, only the old and sick gotta stay at home, good luck to the rest of you, exercise personal responsibility." is better. And we all know how well people using personal responsibility (in the absence of clear leadership mentioning specific actions to take or not take) during this pandemic has worked out.

[LocoAko]

My family has done Shipt twice now. Its like trying to buy concert tickets, you have check first thing in the morning to try find a slot for the next available day. Walmart pickup is the same way.

If this happened 2 or 3 years into the future, I think grocery delivery would have been more widespread and developed.

FWIW, I used Instacart for the first time (for Aldi, which isn't my first choice but wound up being super affordable and had 90% of what I wanted) and didn't have much of an issue. Ordered at like 9PM Wednesday night and had my groceries delivered at noon Thursday. The other stores I checked (Homeland, Target, etc.) had next-afternoon delivery slots available as well.

[jn1780]

FWIW, I used Instacart for the first time (for Aldi, which isn't my first choice but wound up being super affordable and had 90% of what I wanted) and didn't have much of an issue. Ordered at like 9PM Wednesday night and had my groceries delivered at noon Thursday. The other stores I checked (Homeland, Target, etc.) had next-afternoon delivery slots available as well.

I will have to keep Instacart in mind for the future.

[Edmond Hausfrau]

I will have to keep Instacart in mind for the future.

Me too.
Also, if you have Amazon Prime, you can get free delivery from Whole Foods in 1 or 2 hour time slots. And they will deliver perishables.

[Mott]

Me too.
Also, if you have Amazon Prime, you can get free delivery from Whole Foods in 1 or 2 hour time slots. And they will deliver perishables.

As a regular almost daily shopper, and home cook, now shopping once a week, WF’s was a bit crazy this morning, especially with all the people shopping for deliveries. Almost impossible to move thru the vegetable section. As we drove by an hour later, looked like they were making people wait outside. This is what TJ’s was doing, and the store was easy to navigate without any crowding, also fully stocked, as WF’s had no flour and very little dairy.

[emtefury]

The problem is when the Governor says things like the bolded below (from https://kfor.com/health/coronavirus/...rder-in-place/). Why can't he do that, he's the governor? Other states have done that exact thing, even issuing cease-and-desist orders and fines. And leaving it up to citizens to use personal responsibility? hahahahahahahaha......

"Safer-At-Home" is different than “Stay-At-Home" orders in place in both Norman and Oklahoma City.

These require all residents to stay home with the exception of running essential errands, like going to the grocery store or pharmacy.

The governor, saying these orders are unrealistic, told Oklahomans instead to use personal responsibility.

“In my opinion, I cannot shut things down and bunker in place,” said Stitt."

Good to see he is doing his best to follow the us constitution. A crisis/pandemic/whatever does not suspend the us constitution.

[PhiAlpha]

Really glad to hear something is being done at Walmart. I went 5 days ago (I never go in general, but needed something I can only find there) and it was horrible. Crowded aisles, people (including my check out guy) coughing, little to no attempts at social distancing, etc. I got out of there as fast as I could. Obviously supermarkets are essential, but I saw little difference in terms of spread potential between that and many other events that have been canceled...

Same here. It’s likely almost considered a terrorist act at this point...but I’ve been tempted to start loudly coughing when people get to close to me in public places when it isn’t at all necessarily. The other day at target, a lady almost brushed into me while I was grabbing something on an end cap for a main aisle...no one else was around and the aisle is 15 feet wide... why is that even remotely necessary. It’s so easy to just pay minor attention to what you’re doing and avoid getting right next to people when possible.

[TheTravellers]

Same here. It’s likely almost considered a terrorist act at this point...but I’ve been tempted to start loudly coughing when people get to close to me in public places when it isn’t at all necessarily. The other day at target, a lady almost brushed into me while I was grabbing something on an end cap for a main aisle...no one else was around and the aisle is 15 feet wide... why is that even remotely necessary. It’s so easy to just pay minor attention to what you’re doing and avoid getting right next to people when possible.

I've actually called out dumba**es like that recently (mainly at Uptown on Britton, the shoppers there were stupider than the ones at Homeland on 18th/Classen, we've found) - "Hey, do you mind, you're not supposed to be there" or "Seriously, you think that's OK?"

[Greggo71]

[TheTravellers]

Good to see he is doing his best to follow the us constitution. A crisis/pandemic/whatever does not suspend the us constitution.

What are your proposals for how to keep the pandemic under as much control as we can while still following the US Constitution?

[betts]

Good to see he is doing his best to follow the us constitution. A crisis/pandemic/whatever does not suspend the us constitution.

. Does the US Constitution give people the freedom to willfully and carelessly infect other people by not taking proper care, by not staying at home unless absolutely necessary. I seem to remember something attributed to various higher court justices: ”Your right to strike with your fist stops where my nose begins.” You may have the right to own a gun, but not to shoot into a crowd of people.

[kukblue1]

https://kfor.com/news/local/walmart-...4l3XKJxWXIlMLI About time Walmart. Others need to start doing the same

[TheTravellers]

https://kfor.com/news/local/walmart-...4l3XKJxWXIlMLI About time Walmart. Others need to start doing the same

Sounds like this doesn't apply to Neighborhood Markets, wonder what they're doing there? We were planning on going to the 23rd St. one, guess we'll see when we get there in the next couple of days...

[PhiAlpha]

. Does the US Constitution give people the freedom to willfully and carelessly infect other people by not taking proper care, by not staying at home unless absolutely necessary. I seem to remember something attributed to various higher court justices: ”Your right to strike with your fist stops where my nose begins.” You may have the right to own a gun, but not to shoot into a crowd of people.

Probably yes if they don't know they have it or are asymptomatic, You're essentially talking about it being illegal to walk around in public when you're sick. I would imagine some of those powers were left to the states...but I'm not sure closing businesses is one of them. Some states have made it illegal to knowingly infect someone with HIV or other diseases but that's probably the closest we have to something like this as far as laws go.

[d-usa]

Our mayor today:

“Stop trying to find loopholes. What that tells me is that you do not value the lives of the people at your company, your business, your organization, or just the lives of those around you,” Holt said.

[Jersey Boss]

Probably yes if they don't know they have it or are asymptomatic, You're essentially talking about it being illegal to walk around in public when you're sick. I would imagine some of those powers were left to the states...but I'm not sure closing businesses is one of them. Some states have made it illegal to knowingly infect someone with HIV or other diseases but that's probably the closest we have to something like this as far as laws go.

Actually the State dies have the power to involuntarily confine those with communicable diseases that do not self confine and or get treatment.(Title 63) Patients with TB come to mind. I seem to recall a case in Oklahoma the last ten years where they had to confine someone not getting treatment.
Of course if you are asymptomatic that confinement would not apply.

[OKCretro]

. Does the US Constitution give people the freedom to willfully and carelessly infect other people by not taking proper care, by not staying at home unless absolutely necessary. I seem to remember something attributed to various higher court justices: ”Your right to strike with your fist stops where my nose begins.” You may have the right to own a gun, but not to shoot into a crowd of people.

Now do smoking.

[mkjeeves]

Face covers now recommended by the feds to be worn by everyone who is out in public. https://apnews.com/227fa2d005b3923157b9eb736c12e6c5

[kukblue1]

Our mayor today:

“Stop trying to find loopholes. What that tells me is that you do not value the lives of the people at your company, your business, your organization, or just the lives of those around you,” Holt said.

Talked to my buddies and Braums and as far as they know there are no plans for sneeze guards or letting them where mask. Remember you can still go into braums and order and there is no way your staying 6 feet away when ordering. When your at the ice cream and they are dipping your probably within 3 feet? Even at their check outs your probably with in 3 feet. Be interesting to see what they do?

[Teo9969]

How hard was it to say:

Facecovers will only marginally protect you from being infected by the virus.
The odds that you have the virus without knowing it are substantially high.
Facecovers *will* substantially prevent you from unwittingly spreading the virus you have substantial odds of having.

The politicization of everything in our world makes these kinds of communications near impossible. Everybody has to immediately take a side for/against face-masks, without using 2 extra phrases to contextualize the whole thought.

[SEMIweather]

It doesn't help that a lot of the same people who are now saying to wear masks, were saying a month ago not to wear masks. There's been a lot of awful communication throughout this crisis, but the mask thing might cost us the most in the long run, because there's a lot of evidence that universal mask wearing greatly reduces R0. But we're going to have a lot of work to do in order to get to universal mask wearing, due to the miscommunication in that regard at the start of this crisis.

[RustytheBailiff]

It doesn't help that a lot of the same people who are now saying to wear masks, were saying a month ago not to wear masks. There's been a lot of awful communication throughout this crisis, but the mask thing might cost us the most in the long run, because there's a lot of evidence that universal mask wearing greatly reduces R0. But we're going to have a lot of work to do in order to get to universal mask wearing, due to the miscommunication in that regard at the start of this crisis.

Nor does it help when the pretending president of the united states stands up and says that he will not be wearing a mask, but you can if you want to. What a F..king joke.

[chuck5815]

Nor does it help when the pretending president of the united states stands up and says that he will not be wearing a mask, but you can if you want to. What a F..king joke.

Oh, this definitely strikes me as a deeply political post.

Come on Uncle Rusty, you’re better than this.