Expressjet to start n/s service to/from OKC

[jbrown84]

there we go with the DaVinci code again...

[OUman]

SAT is a surprise considering UAX tried that and didnt do well. SMF is probably also an iffy destination from here, but we'll see, no one thought MSP flights would last more than a couple months at best, but that has been effectively shot down.

As for being worried about 11 new daily departures in a short time span-it's normal in up comnig markets. Besides, remember that this service is all going to be operated with RJ's, mostly 50 seats. It's not like someone's setting up a hub here and going all mainliners. Shouldn't be too hard to fill a couple RJ's daily if the maketing's done right. Also, as the Allegiant, DL Conn and many other examples have shown, use it or lose it. The LAX flight has done really well, which is why UAX has gone ahead with its decision to start the IAD flight. Considering it's one of the most requested for nonstops from OKC, shouldn't be a problem filling that flight at all.

[chrisok]

SAT is a surprise considering UAX tried that and didnt do well. SMF is probably also an iffy destination from here, but we'll see, no one thought MSP flights would last more than a couple months at best, but that has been effectively shot down.

As for being worried about 11 new daily departures in a short time span-it's normal in up comnig markets. Besides, remember that this service is all going to be operated with RJ's, mostly 50 seats. It's not like someone's setting up a hub here and going all mainliners. Shouldn't be too hard to fill a couple RJ's daily if the maketing's done right. Also, as the Allegiant, DL Conn and many other examples have shown, use it or lose it. The LAX flight has done really well, which is why UAX has gone ahead with its decision to start the IAD flight. Considering it's one of the most requested for nonstops from OKC, shouldn't be a problem filling that flight at all.

I can't really disagree. I guess I was playing more of the devil's advocate position. First of all, I completely think the IAD flight will do fine as long as they don't overprice it. No reason to think they will, but I do remember when Continental initially started flights to Newark, prices were through the roof and we almost lost them until they lowered that fare.

With Express Jet, I think they'll have good loads. I also agree that San Antonio and Sacramento are the biggest question marks. Two flights to Albuquerque is also a question mark, although one of the flights continues to Ontario. San Antonio would be helped some if they let you book a flight to Corpus Christi.

Where I guess my "concern" is with some the of legacy carriers. If the demand isn't there to support enough of the seats available, we might lose some flights there or lose what few mainliners we have. Take your Minneapolis example. The Minneapolis flights have done well, and Detroit is doing okay. However, that came at the expense of Memphis. Before MSP and DTW were added, we had more flights to MEM and they were pretty much DC-9's. They all rely on connecting traffic.

It'll be interesting to see what happens for sure.

[jbrown84]

Seriously guys, if you don't want to use layman's terms on this stuff, could you just take it to PM's because the rest of us can't understand it.

At least please spell out the city names on the ones that aren't obvious.

[venture]

SAT - San Antonio
SMF - Sacramento
IAD - Washington Dulles
MSP - Minneapolis/St. Paul
MEM - Memphis
DTW - Detroit

[chrisok]

Frontier's A319 has been running for about a month now...definitely a great choice. Even better news is when the route will get one of the Embraer 170s with the new affliate (Republic) coming on board to operate Jet Express. Will be a HUGE improvement over the CRJs. Can't wait to get my first ride on one since the reviews are just amazing...at least the US Airways ones.

Looks like the 1st Embraer 170 flight will be on April 1 at 1:35 PM, replacing the current 4:15 PM flight. The second Embraer flight will be April 16 at 5:55 AM, replacing the current 6:00 AM. Hate to see the mainliner go, but the 170 will be great. I'm also not shocked that the Airbus is being yanked, as loads apparently haven't been good. Personally, I've been on the flight 3 times this year, and the best load I've seen was around 40-50 pax.

[OUman]

^The 319 was likely brought in only for the heavier loads during the winter/hoilday season. United will likely bring back the 319/320 mix again this summer though for the early morning departure to DEN.

[mburlison]

^The 319 was likely brought in only for the heavier loads during the winter/hoilday season. United will likely bring back the 319/320 mix again this summer though for the early morning departure to DEN.

Maybe it's just me, and though I'm a big fan of the Boeings, it seems the A319s/A320s are a bit more comfortable. Granted, I'm not thin . 'Course compared to the little Embraers, anything is more comfortable!

[mranderson]

Maybe it's just me, and though I'm a big fan of the Boeings, it seems the A319s/A320s are a bit more comfortable. Granted, I'm not thin . 'Course compared to the little Embraers, anything is more comfortable!

I have flown nearly every model aircraft in the sky. And, yes. Airbus is much more comfortable. Plus it is quiter and has a much nicer interior. I would rather fly them than Boeing. (except the 777)

[venture]

I believe the cabin width is a couple inches great on the Airbii narrowbodies. Of course it all comes down to the airline and how they want to configure the things. To me the best coach product was the Mesaba Avros...those were nice. Most domestic first class products are about the same...I've done American and Delta and really saw no difference.

Of course...give me a Seven Two any day over this modern day garbage.

[OUman]

^Not if you've flown Delta and Air France triples. The seat pitch is ridiculous (and I'm a short guy), and in Delta's Y class, the seats barely recline. I like the CRJ's seats better than that. I like both Boeing and Airbus pretty much equally though, and seating is down to the airlines like venture said.