Also while 16th street may have seen some improvement, you go just one block South and it's all ghetto.
Also while 16th street may have seen some improvement, you go just one block South and it's all ghetto.
Honestly, I've read a bit about Wayne, and I think he'd just want it to be what it is, whatever that might be. He sees humanity, beauty, and just interesting things in the ghetto. If it improved significantly, I'm sure he'd see the beauty in the rebirth and repurposing of a once-forgotten part of town he grew up in...
But something tells me he's not going to lead the charge to make that area popular for middle class professionals.
Why didn't you call animal control?
Glad your over it, my intent wasn't to " out " his address and I honestly hadn't seen the quote you referred to. I just figured since the discussion on the topic somewhat revolved around the architecture of Wayne's home people might want to see what it looked like. I personally don't see the attraction to him or his music for that matter, it is nice that he is from OKC but I have never been a fan myself.
The Plaza had a "Plant the Plaza" Day back in March/April and guess who walked over to help in the gardens and clean the area? Wayne. He actually stayed for quite awhile too...without the lure of the local media.
I have also seen Wayne out at more than one "Live on the Plaza" monthly art walks...he also wanted to (and did) interview on Plaza's official video (http://plazadistrict.org/).
I think it's pretty safe to say that he is a big advocate of the area...and not afraid to admit he lives there, regardless of how "ghetto" people here say it is.
As a regular on the Architecture Tour, I can say only this: been there, noted the address, didn't bring it up again.
2 years ago, he invited his entire list of "friends" on Myspace to come over to his compound on Halloween to experience his "500 lb. Brain" that was displayed in a giant circus tent. It's common knowledge.
And as to Steves question, while I think the success of the two are independant, I can see the two joining forces. Perhaps with some sort of art festival on 16th street.
You could also suggest that Auto Alley has gained some credibility from his involvement with "Ghouls Gone Wild" with that logic.
The tent was set up in a vacant lot on Blackwelder a block from his house.2 years ago, he invited his entire list of "friends" on Myspace to come over to his compound on Halloween to experience his "500 lb. Brain" that was displayed in a giant circus tent. It's common knowledge.
I believe it was still on his property though, ie: compound.
I like to refer to it as "Wayne Manor"
NYT Article on the Coyne Compound... http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/21/ma...ml?_r=1&src=tp
Guys, the Classen-Ten-Penn neighborhood is NOT as bad as you guys make it out to be. It has seen strong beginning signs of improvement, although I think it's future has new (perhaps unsurmountable) challenges, such as moving all of the homeless services to the western edge of this neighborhood.
I think at some point we will need more tear-down neighborhoods, especially once SoSA (fills up) because of how wildly popular that concept has become, and the worst neighborhoods in between nice neighborhoods close to downtown are perfectly positioned for this. Classen-Ten-Penn and Youngs-Englewood might be perfect, as there are already very few examples of infill in these neighborhoods. Also these hoods could be along what ends up being a restored streetcar line down either 16th or 23rd, or perhaps even both. For those who haven't checked out some of the neighborhoods spanning 16th all the way up to Portland, you should--all excellent examples of old streetcar suburbs, as those neighborhoods were originally built along a line that meandered all the way out there.
What are the boundaries of Ten-Penn? Personally, from Linwood (north) to 15th, and Penn (east) to Western is a total hell hole - and yes, I lived in the middle of those parameters for a few years and I'm in the area at least once a week - scary stuff.
CTP is bounded by the Plaza District, down to 10th, from Classen over to Penn. It is just what the name suggests, shockingly...lol
Metro Park is the neighborhood between 10th and Linwood. Linwood is obviously a hellhole. 10th has a lot of potential now that they did a really nice streetscape all the way to Penn, and I suspect the Peace Park will happen eventually.
I noticed that he, Russell Westbrook and I have the same "hot tub". I feel like I am in rarified company.
In 1940, the streetcar line ended one block west of Independence. The rails went on down to the non-electrified track that ran where I44 is now located in that area, but there was a de-railer installed just before the curve. The line didn't go as far as Portland, much less Meridian. The route was out Linwood to Virginia, then up Virginia and Penn to NW 12, out 12th just past May, curving to Drexel, up Drexel to 19th, and out 19th to end-of-line where the motorman would pull down one trolley, raise the other, and flip all the seats over. I rode it rather often when my family would go downtown to shop -- no shopping centers existed that far out in those days...
For that matter, NW 19 itself didn't go all the way to Meridian. About half a mile west of Portland, it angled northwest and intersected NW 23 at Meridian. In the late 40s, it was still unpaved in that area, and development west of Portland hadn't even begun.
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I trust you mean when NW 19 was paved from Portland to Meridian. The last streetcar line (Belle Isle/Culbertson) shut down in '47 or '48; I graduated from Classen in '48 and the trolley was gone by then, although in the fall of '46 I took the trolley to get to school for several months while my parents shopped for a house to buy. The Linwood line had shut down some time earlier; I don't remember when but it may well have been during WW2 when many of the rails were ripped up for the war effort. I wasn't in OKC during those years...
Judging by those photos in the NY Times article, I picture his compound as a cross between the Wonka chocolate factory and Austin Power's bachelor pad. I wouldn't be surprised to see an Oompa-Loompa or two roaming around in there.
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