Gunman kills 12 in Colorado movie theater

[Maynard]

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I could make several a day and get rich making black market bullets.

Hold the phone...you mean, price controls create underground economies?


<grin>

[BBatesokc]

You used to be one of my fav posters here, but the fact you are trying to politicize this massacre disgusts me.

Then by all means, be disgusted. Its not about 'politics' to me. Its about alternative outcomes and not volunteering to be a victim. I never post in the politics area because I'm not usually about politics. If a bunch of people had been killed in a bus accident we'd probably be talking about the pros and cons of seat belts on buses. With many discussing there are the 'what if' angles. Just because you want to label it 'politics' doesn't make it so.

[Stan Silliman]

WOW $5000 bullets.
Bullets aren’t very hard to make if you have even minimal skills and equipment.
I could make several a day and get rich making black market bullets.

Chris Rocks statement was hyperbole, accentuating the ridiculous.
The point, I think, is guns may be more regulated than bullets.
Should it be that way? Can bullets be purchased at a gun show?
Do people need to produce a C & C permit to purchase bullets, nationwide?
Is there a waiting period on bullets?
How about armor piercing bullets? Or dum dums? Can anyone just buy these
without some type of special permit?

[Maynard]

Warning: Aurora Massacre rant

[T]here is only ONE real world solution for massacres like the one which just happened in the Aurora, Colorado movie theater: Get rid, completely and forever, of every single gun "law" that has ever been enacted. Every. Single. One...







Advocating, passing, enforcing, or obeying a gun "law" does nothing to help anyone but the bad guys. It helps the murderers who pull the trigger, and it helps the murderers of the blood-dancing, TV camera lusting, Mass Murder Fan Club: those, who like Bloomberg and the Bradiots, salivate in hopes that another massacre will happen every time a new gun "law" is on the horizon so that they can feign "concern" for the victims. Inside, they are jumping for joy at every death. And don't you ever be fooled.

"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."

-Richard Henry Lee

[ljbab728]

I'm glad to see that eveyone took my suggestion to focus on the victims for a while instead of having a debate about guns.

[Maynard]

I'm glad to see that eveyone took my suggestion to focus on the victims for a while instead of having a debate about guns.

Meanwhile, turn on the tv and you can't escape commentary, analysis, speculation, conjecture, fear mongering. Let's not have a 'discussion' here.

[ljbab728]

Meanwhile, turn on the tv and you can't escape commentary, analysis, speculation, conjecture, fear mongering. Let's not have a 'discussion' here.

Of course that's correct. Are we not better than that? Nothing is going to change about gun control any time in the near future and having a debate about it when families are suffering is pointless and uncaring. Can't we at least let them bury their loved ones first?

[Maynard]

Of course that's correct.

That's your opinion, and I'm happy people are sharing. Goodnight!

[ou48A]

Chris Rocks statement was hyperbole, accentuating the ridiculous.
The point, I think, is guns may be more regulated than bullets.
Should it be that way? Can bullets be purchased at a gun show?
Do people need to produce a C & C permit to purchase bullets, nationwide?
Is there a waiting period on bullets?
How about armor piercing bullets? Or dum dums? Can anyone just buy these
without some type of special permit?

I know his statement was hyperbole and so was my post to a degree.

But because I have certain skills I know I could manufacture any of the bullets you mentioned. So could many others.

The point is you are never going to solve this problem by making more laws and regulations on arms and bullets.
The bad guys are always going to find a way to procure them.

A well-armed society of citizens who have received training is likely the best defense against ordinary crime and the crazy mad men who commit most of these mass shootings.

[ljbab728]

I know his statement was hyperbole and so was my post to a degree.

But because I have certain skills I know I could manufacture any of the bullets you mentioned. So could many others.

The point is you are never going to solve this problem by making more laws and regulations on arms and bullets.
The bad guys are always going to find a way to procure them.

A well-armed society of citizens who have received training is likely the best defense against ordinary crime and the crazy mad men who commit most of these mass shootings.

Thanks again for allowing the victims to be buried first before getting into this kind of discussion. It's very civil of you and their families will appreciate it.

[bluedogok]

Meanwhile, turn on the tv and you can't escape commentary, analysis, speculation, conjecture, fear mongering. Let's not have a 'discussion' here.

I haven't seen much of the political discussion of it here since I am watching local coverage. When the nationals come on I tend to turn the channel to something else.

Living about 4-5 miles south of the theater on the southern edge of Aurora puts me a little too close to these type events for my liking. Much like the connections to the OKC Bombing other such events.

[Bostonfan]

Thanks again for allowing the victims to be buried first before getting into this kind of discussion. It's very civil of you and their families will appreciate it.

oh good grief. there are people shot and killed every day. So I guess by your thinking we should never, ever talk about gun control. And you really think families of this particular shooting are tuning into OKCTALK during this awful time for them?

[soonerliberal]

There is a way to respect the victims and still discuss potential solutions to the problem we see.

My question is: when is the right time to discuss guns? Again, there were 70 people shot in NYC alone over a one week period in June. Was there a national outcry for something to be done from either side of the gun control issue? Was there a national outcry from either side to only talk about the victims, rather than the perpetrator(s)? The answer to both questions is NO. Most Americans don't even recognize the violence that has happened - not just Thursday night. I personally believe each of the 12 souls who died due to being shot in Chicago in just one weekend are as important as the 12 who were murdered in the movie theatre. Yet, there is no outrage in that case.

[HewenttoJared]

Guys we can stop all the guesswork. Rick Warren already figured out why it happened.
https://mobile.twitter.com/#!/RickWa...78218456899584

[BBatesokc]

Typical selective hyper sensitivity if you ask me. I feel as bad for the victims and their families as anyone else. But pointing a finger simply because people are discussing what might or might not have prevented it (or even made it worse) is no more insensitive than ignoring those topics. I'm not reading any disrespectful posts. I'd rather hear about different perspectives on stopping future such incidence than the non-stop coverage of the nut job himself.

If a bunch of people died today in a plane crash wouldn't we all be taking about plane safety, prevention, etc.?

[Just the facts]

Solution to drug problem - allow drugs
Solution to death by gun - ban guns

weird.

[HewenttoJared]

If a bunch of people died today in a plane crash wouldn't we all be taking about plane safety, prevention, etc.?

Based on the thread so far I'd say we'd probably be discussing UFO's.

[RadicalModerate]

Solution to drug problem - allow drugs
Solution to death by gun - ban guns

weird.

Not weird.
"Liberal"

[BlackmoreRulz]

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My question is: when is the right time to discuss guns? Again, there were 70 people shot in NYC alone over a one week period in June.

I thought NYC already had gun control?

[soonerliberal]

I thought NYC already had gun control?

Court ruled against handgun bans. Assault weapons are still legal. I'm about as pro-gun as anyone else (and much moreso than my handle would make you assume), but I don't see the need for assault weapons any case. If you want to allow collectors to have them, sure, go for it... just make the ammunition unavailable.

Regardless, that is against the point. There is all this justifiable concern and depression when it comes to these victims, but we don't think twice when the same statistic occurs.

[BBatesokc]

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2012/...ims/?hpt=hp_c2

[MikeOKC]

This is an issue I go back and forth on. I see both sides. Is it okay these days to admit that?

Honestly though, this shooting rampage makes me think maybe the problem that night wasn't too many guns in the theater, it was too few. In this crazy day and age, we may have hit the tipping point on thinking "gun laws" are really going to do anything. Unless those laws allow everyone to be armed who feels the need to be. Then, James Holmes wouldn't have been the only one with guns in that theater and he wouldn't have lasted more than a few seconds before he would have been taken out.

I always think about stricter laws and then remember that criminals don't abide by the laws. Meth is against the law, there's lots of meth. On and on. When the ^%$* hits the fan in this country and the govt. checks quit sustaining a huge portion of the illegal gun toting thugs, I want to be able to defend my family against their rampage.

It's a crazy world.

Those poor families in Colorado. Peace - some way - be with them all.

[jn1780]

This is an issue I go back and forth on. I see both sides. Is it okay these days to admit that?

Honestly though, this shooting rampage makes me think maybe the problem that night wasn't too many guns in the theater, it was too few. In this crazy day and age, we may have hit the tipping point on thinking "gun laws" are really going to do anything. Unless those laws allow everyone to be armed who feels the need to be. Then, James Holmes wouldn't have been the only one with guns in that theater and he wouldn't have lasted more than a few seconds before he would have been taken out.

I always think about stricter laws and then remember that criminals don't abide by the laws. Meth is against the law, there's lots of meth. On and on. When the ^%$* hits the fan in this country and the govt. checks quit sustaining a huge portion of the illegal gun toting thugs, I want to be able to defend my family against their rampage.

It's a crazy world.

Those poor families in Colorado. Peace - some way - be with them all.

Hey, at least we would be helping Mexico. Manufacturing assult rifles for the black market would be a nice export for them.

[HewenttoJared]

Nobody would have been likely to "take him out". And definitely not in a few seconds...

[MikeOKC]

Nobody would have been likely to "take him out". And definitely not in a few seconds...

We'll never know, will we? He was the only one armed. The "bad guys" always will be; laws, fewer laws or more laws.